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misterearl
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12/19/2009  11:46 AM
"Bender won't play a single minute this season. Mark my words, I put my life on it."

orangeblob - of course anyone can be wrong. All I would suggest is you be a bit more cautious in betting with your life as the wager.

Not only did Bender play, he made a significant contribution that led to a victory.

Jon Bender appears to be thicker in the upper body than he was as a yoot. His listed weight at 230 pounds might be a bit dated, but who cares? I love a good comeback story and hope he can remain healthy. Fuggadabout worrying whether he can hold up or not. The man has been away for nearly four years and just stepped on an NBA court on Broadway. It's like the elder Moonlight Graham coming back for that one final at bat as a kid in The Natural. You can't write a better script if you were Woody Allen.

Let's enjoy Jonathan Bender one game at a time.

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12/19/2009  11:48 AM
His knees with those things on them look like a decrepit Ewing. I hope he can last, but I'm not betting (my life) on it. If he is able to go out there for 10 minutes a night, give us some of that awesomeness for 10 minutes a night, then I am happy. And he is happy.
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12/19/2009  12:00 PM
orangeblob - think of it this way. When Bender gets Jeffries, suddenly defenses have to cover five.

Minute Man Shift du Jour

Douglas, for his uptempo tenacity
Chandler, for his graceful drives
Gallo, to spread the floor
Lee, for the inevitable double-doubles as the crazy glue player
Bender, for ball handling and inside/ outside versatility


Duhon, look up, think assist first
Harrington, please stop hoisting impulsive three's
Jeffries, do what you do on defense

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12/19/2009  12:24 PM
One thing I liked that Bender did is something I've yet to see DLee do in his entire career. That is give a hard intentional foul.
Bring back dee-fense
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12/19/2009  12:31 PM
JesseDark wrote:One thing I liked that Bender did is something I've yet to see DLee do in his entire career. That is give a hard intentional foul.

Why the heck would you like something like that? A hard intentional foul? That's the definition of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

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12/19/2009  12:36 PM

TMS - "i would still much rather see Jordan Hill seeing minutes over Bender at this point."

For What Reasons Please?

Jordan Hill, like any rookie, must earn his minutes. Forget the draft position, or personal preferences - the Knicks are about putting the best product on the floor at this point and The Garden is starting to rock. You don't charge those prices for rookie auditions for players who are not ready. Hill, in the opinion of the only person who matters, his head coach - is not ready.

Bender was the spark and was rugged inside, gave the Knicks their first lead of the night... and I'm cool with that.

Best five play.

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12/19/2009  12:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2009  12:40 PM
The Answer Man Loves Old School Enforcers

Q. orangeblob - A hard intentional foul?

A. Ad tagline: nothing says "get that weak ish outta here" like a hard intentional foul

Q. orangeblob - Why the heck would you like something like that?

A. Because Charles Oakley would do something like that, and dare you to say something

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12/19/2009  1:03 PM
Where Bender really looks different is in the legs! He had almost no real muscle development in his legs and now I can see his legs look bigger and more solid. He even mentioned how he knows he's gonna have to keep working out to take the pressure off his knees. People don't realize how your muscles act as shock absorbers if you use them correctly. A lot of athletes run so hard on their legs then pound the ground rather than stay up on their calves. Rodman used to have that exaggerated gazelle like running style. You could see the bounce in his step and how light on his feet he was. Then you compare that with how Oden runs and he just plods up the court. That makes it hard on the knees.
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12/19/2009  1:27 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
JesseDark wrote:One thing I liked that Bender did is something I've yet to see DLee do in his entire career. That is give a hard intentional foul.

Why the heck would you like something like that? A hard intentional foul? That's the definition of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

He could have done a hard "legal" foul and not been called for the flagrant, but the concept of making an opponent "pay" with a hard foul has long been accepted as a way to make the opposition more wary of driving on you. It was a cornerstone of the Ewing/Oakley years.

The team is playing D now, for goodness sake- don't hear folks ranting about MDA not being able to teach defense anymore, do we. Guys are buying into it, and it shows in the number of points we are letting up.

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12/19/2009  1:28 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
JesseDark wrote:One thing I liked that Bender did is something I've yet to see DLee do in his entire career. That is give a hard intentional foul.

Why the heck would you like something like that? A hard intentional foul? That's the definition of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

He could have done a hard "legal" foul and not been called for the flagrant, but the concept of making an opponent "pay" with a hard foul has long been accepted as a way to make the opposition more wary of driving on you. It was a cornerstone of the Ewing/Oakley years.

The team is playing D now, for goodness sake- don't hear folks ranting about MDA not being able to teach defense anymore, do we. Guys are buying into it, and it shows in the number of points we are letting up.

That whole concept from the Ewing/Oakley years, it's very evil, because it can lead to injury. Injury is the only reason I am against it. Is so bad!

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12/19/2009  2:08 PM
Bender had a nice game, but can you hardly judge him after one game. Im sure if he went 0 for 5, 2TO and 3 fouls in 8mins we would be slamming this pick up.
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12/19/2009  2:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2009  2:19 PM
Knicks1248 - if Jared Jeffries had a sky hook and wore goggles he would be Kareem Abdul Jabbar

The alternative universe Bizarro world thread is down the hall on the left.

Please speak for yourself. If Bender went 0 for 5, 2TO and 3 fouls in 8mins I would not be slamming him, but still commending his long, courageous comeback.

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12/19/2009  2:19 PM
Say What?

orangeblob - the foul that Bender gave was nothing unusual compared to any hard foul given on a playground, in college or anywhere in the NBA. Last I checked, there was no blood, no injury, no fine and no fight broke out.

Sheesh.

Your weak-kneed, panty-waisted, prissy sorority girl, Pee Wee Herman-toned moaning about one Knicks player giving a hard foul is so blatantly lame it would make Derek Harper snicker... and make you the last dude picked for any three on three squad on West 4th Street. This is a man's game.

C'MON MAN!

If Bender doesn't smack the dude, you would be the first to kvetch over how soft Bender is. For the first game back in four years, among tough frontline players built like offensive linemen, I like the message that "I'm going to be aggressive"

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12/19/2009  2:26 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
JesseDark wrote:One thing I liked that Bender did is something I've yet to see DLee do in his entire career. That is give a hard intentional foul.

Why the heck would you like something like that? A hard intentional foul? That's the definition of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

He could have done a hard "legal" foul and not been called for the flagrant, but the concept of making an opponent "pay" with a hard foul has long been accepted as a way to make the opposition more wary of driving on you. It was a cornerstone of the Ewing/Oakley years.

The team is playing D now, for goodness sake- don't hear folks ranting about MDA not being able to teach defense anymore, do we. Guys are buying into it, and it shows in the number of points we are letting up.

That whole concept from the Ewing/Oakley years, it's very evil, because it can lead to injury. Injury is the only reason I am against it. Is so bad!

This is exactly why it works so well. Especially on people who shrink away from contact because of the "risk of injury"

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misterearl wrote:Knicks1248 - if Jared Jeffries had a sky hook and wore goggles he would be Kareem Abdul Jabbar

The alternative universe Bizarro world thread is down the hall on the left.

Please speak for yourself. If Bender went 0 for 5, 2TO and 3 fouls in 8mins I would not be slamming him, but still commending his long, courageous comeback.


Don't get sensitve on me, Im saying.. this board flip flops from game to game, and in some cases for good reason. I'll be the first to admit I really cant remember much about bender other then he can shoot, and he gets hurt an awful lot. But I trust MDA and walsh are pretty smart and know whats there with this guy.

The one thing im a little bit confuse about is, If you plan on show casing Eddie Curry for possible takers and bender takes off well, how on earth can this be good. If Bender was giving as a taste on things to come, eddie's a wrap.

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12/19/2009  4:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2009  4:02 PM
knicks1248 - with all due respect, forget following the herd of the board. Here is an alternate individual take:

Bender is the rare seven footer who can put the ball on the floor and get to the rack with fluid efficiency. Think Dirk, without the German accent. He has an excellent stroke and will contest a shot every now and then. He has three point range. Best of all, the young man has a work ethic that is rare. He understands his gift has a fragile expiration label and has worked his azz off to make the most of every minute of good health.

I dig the hell outta that.

Forget any imaginary so-called "plan" of showcasing Eddy Curry. That is for amateur GM speculators and fantasy trade merchants. The prime directive for the head coach is to put the most skilled players on the floor. If Eddy wants minutes, he will need to ramp up his production that much more with a fluid seven-footer in the house.

Competition is good.

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12/19/2009  4:18 PM
misterearl wrote:

TMS - "i would still much rather see Jordan Hill seeing minutes over Bender at this point."

For What Reasons Please?

Jordan Hill, like any rookie, must earn his minutes. Forget the draft position, or personal preferences - the Knicks are about putting the best product on the floor at this point and The Garden is starting to rock. You don't charge those prices for rookie auditions for players who are not ready. Hill, in the opinion of the only person who matters, his head coach - is not ready.

Bender was the spark and was rugged inside, gave the Knicks their first lead of the night... and I'm cool with that.

Best five play.


How do we know if Jordan has earned his minutes? Is there any chance that Hill has earned minutes, but isn't getting them?

And if JJ is getting minutes so he can be traded, has he earned them?

And Curry getting his weight down to below 300, doesn't that show some kind of desire, some level of motivation that would reflect on someone 'earning minutes'.

I'm not saying Hill should be getting minutes, but at some time, you have to reflect about this squad and realize whether we make the play offs or not - that is really kind less important than building, for the first time, a foundation of players to build around.

Is Hill one of them? Is Douglas?

If so, they should play, if only to find out if they are really part of the future.

Because if they're not, then outside of Gallo, who is staying long term?
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orangeblobman wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
JesseDark wrote:One thing I liked that Bender did is something I've yet to see DLee do in his entire career. That is give a hard intentional foul.

Why the heck would you like something like that? A hard intentional foul? That's the definition of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

He could have done a hard "legal" foul and not been called for the flagrant, but the concept of making an opponent "pay" with a hard foul has long been accepted as a way to make the opposition more wary of driving on you. It was a cornerstone of the Ewing/Oakley years.

The team is playing D now, for goodness sake- don't hear folks ranting about MDA not being able to teach defense anymore, do we. Guys are buying into it, and it shows in the number of points we are letting up.

That whole concept from the Ewing/Oakley years, it's very evil, because it can lead to injury. Injury is the only reason I am against it. Is so bad!

IMO it showed something that this team has been missing for years - someone who defends the paint with passion. A hard legal foul was have been acceptable. Orange, I'm not applauding that it was flagrant, but that he was willing to give a foul in that situation.

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12/19/2009  5:13 PM
misterearl wrote:

TMS - "i would still much rather see Jordan Hill seeing minutes over Bender at this point."

For What Reasons Please?

Jordan Hill, like any rookie, must earn his minutes. Forget the draft position, or personal preferences - the Knicks are about putting the best product on the floor at this point and The Garden is starting to rock. You don't charge those prices for rookie auditions for players who are not ready. Hill, in the opinion of the only person who matters, his head coach - is not ready.

Bender was the spark and was rugged inside, gave the Knicks their first lead of the night... and I'm cool with that.

Best five play.

for the reasons why we picked him #8 to begin with... he's our future, NOT Jonathan Bender... get it straight... u mean to tell me a guy we picked up who hasn't played in 4 years & has had all of 2 practices w/the team is more ready than Jordan Hill? gimme a freakin' break... when Hill has seen minutes he has produced... i defy anyone who's watched this kid play this year to tell me he's not ready to contribute right now.

Bender has shown me he's got some skills... that's great... but u don't sit your #8 lottery pick who's ALREADY shown he can ball & delay his development so u can get a reclamation project some burn, i'm sorry... how he gets playing time over Eddy Curry even is a mystery to me, shouldn't we be playing him just like we're playing Fishlips too? next year's cap space is paramount to any other goal this year, & sorry but getting Bender playing time should fall very far down in the list of our priorities.

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12/19/2009  5:18 PM
Why should we be clamoring for Hill to play at this point? The kid is likely gonna be here for a long time and he's gonna be able to practice with a guy like Bender and learn from him. I see no real reason to just give the kid minutes if we're winning games with more dependable vets. He's a kid that still has a lot to learn.

Let's not forget that he's NEVER been used the way MDA is looking to use him. He has to learn the game from a much deeper level than he's used to playing. Let's just assume that MDA has seen enough in his time to know when a player is ready. He wants to win and if he was hands down above anyone else he'd be playing.
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