fishmike wrote:all rational sharing of thoughts and ideas on this thread just ended

The pics weren't necessary this I'm guilty of but hopefully point was proven. Pics don't tell really anything about overall talent nor upside. You did see my reply to you correct on this page?

thats no knock on Gallo, I think Gallo is a game changer, and he impacts a game tremendously when he's on, players around him get better, offense flows smooth and his shooting makes the game easier for those around him... if he had the consistency lopez provides you'd have an All Star

Brook will always be the better posting up, rebounding and defending the paint. Gallo will always be the one with the snipers touch and the all around awareness, while Mayo will be the quickest, most agile of the 3. You wouldnt compare Nowitzki with Vince, even when they were both drafted in '98...

What really determines players in the end, is their success. Duncan will have had a better carreer than, say Malone because he won all those rings and Malone hasnt. What makes a player the great one he might become depends on so many variables, its not even funny!

So, be happy we got Gallo, wait a few years and see him starting alongside Brook Lopez at the All Star Game 2014! In the end, around 2020, we will say Gallo won a few rings for NY while Brook always got short of getting out of the first round with his Brooklyn Nets. Then you can say Gallo was the best of his class, everything else is Fubar!

orangeblobman wrote:

itchetrigr wrote:whats the knock on Lopez? he doesnt play pretty basketball? sure he looks awkward out there but the guy gets it done, 19 9 and 2 is not a fluke,
you can tell he's gonna be consistent thru-out his career, its nice to dream about a few games where a player might go off for 30 on 4 of 5 from three and look pretty doing it screaming potential, but i'd rather have a guy that gives me 19,9 and 2 on a nightly basis and thats what lopez seems to provide... you put a decent team around lopez he'll take you to the playoffs, put a star next to him he help you to the finals...

thats no knock on Gallo, I think Gallo is a game changer, and he impacts a game tremendously when he's on, players around him get better, offense flows smooth and his shooting makes the game easier for those around him... if he had the consistency lopez provides you'd have an All Star

There's no knocks on Lopez. It's just that Gallo is better. Gallo can pass, shoot, rebound, get steals, block a few shots, lead a team, run the court, take the ball up, etc., etc., etc.,

He may not be dominant in any of these areas yet, but he can do them all at above average levels ALREADY, with some time and development this guy will be a superstar. It's so simple.

This is the same guy who just stands in the corner most nights right? I'd take it down a notch or ten Orange.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Gallo was considered to have a higher upside than Lopez before the draft and now that we've seen both play I still feel this is the case. I brought both players eFG% and Gallo is at .587 while Lopez is at .493. Gallo was still growing when we drafted him and seems to be more of a late bloomer. Lopez matured physically much faster. This is only made more stark by Gallo missing training due to surgery. So Lopez is clearly ahead of Gallo right now. The thing is that looking at Lopez game it's hard to see a lot of room for improvement. He could get more efficient. in the end tho I don't see him being a go to guy. This isn't a knock on him cuz he can play!

You don't have to improve when you are averaging 20, 9 and 2 as a center. However, when you are doing it as a second year player chances are you will.

Those are great numbers, but that's not what this is about. Do you really see him as a difference maker for a team. Someone you build around as a franchise player? I don't. I can't think of anyone that feels that way about him. He's good and on his losing team he's gonna be a top option. He's made the most of it. As has been noted there are almost no C's in the east that he has to go against, so he's gonna have an easier time of it.

I also said that Lopez does still have upside, which everyone that is arguing for Lopez seems to keep ignoring. No one said he had no upside!!! The point many of us are making is that Lopez doesn't have the same level of upside as Gallo. He's reaching his peak faster both physically and in his game. Part of what is holding Gallo back is that he's not finished growing into his body. He actually just grew a bit more and Lopez has had a chance to adjust to his height and fill out. Once Gallo does I fully expect another burst of improvement from him. Just looking at Gallo's production the guy has an eFG of nearly 60% if the guy simply avg's more shots per game he's gonna be a star. He does just about everything else you need a player to do. We'll see how things develop, but I like what I see so far.

Bippity10 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Kind of like GAllo he has skills but the jury is still out. His career willarch will come down to his work ehtic and ability to learn some skills. ButGallo has the ability to pass this guy in my view.

It's your View and you Opinion but the same can be said for Lopez. And the lower the pick the more leverage in say the player at picked position would have for surprising or making a case.

If we drafted Lopez and he produced like he has the past several, several, several games would we as Knick fans honestly be capping his potential? I think not!!!

This draft class' talent has yet to be determined. What we are witnessing, there were players picked well after 6 who are in the discussion of being Tops in their class.

Some of us thought the 2008 draft after say pick 10 wasn't worth sweating over, say had we thought about trading down. Appears if we had, we stood the potential to get a very good player.

I remember guys were thinking it would have been the dumbest move to trade down and to be honest maybe outside of the Nets, considering Gallo didn't work out for hardly any teams, I think we still could have picked him.

Did you read my post. I basically said both have loads of potential. Both have the ability to get better. GAllo has the ability to pass Lopez and Lopez has the ability to stay the best in his class. That's not the point to me. Debating over who is the best in the class is just internet nonsense or sports bar argumentation. What I care about is, did my scouting team make a good decision with their pick. You can't expect them to get the best player available everytime they take a pick. I do not hold them accountable for missing out on 2 or 3 guys that may end up being better. I hold them accountable for the guy they drafted. And the guy they drafted is proving that he involves in the same paragraph with anyone else in his class. We all had our favorites. Some think Gallo is the man. Some think someone else is. But in the end, after all these nonsense arguments if you take a step back and look at Gallo, you will see we have a pretty good pick here. Don't miss out on his growth biotching about other teams players.

I never said Gallo is capped out on growth and sure as heck won't say it about other players. I won't say others players have more potential than Gallo and won't say Gallo has more potential over them.

Keep thinking Gallo is better than everyone else. I do feel Gallo is a good player and would like to see rave review growth from him as he remains a Knick.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Gallo was considered to have a higher upside than Lopez before the draft and now that we've seen both play I still feel this is the case. I brought both players eFG% and Gallo is at .587 while Lopez is at .493. Gallo was still growing when we drafted him and seems to be more of a late bloomer. Lopez matured physically much faster. This is only made more stark by Gallo missing training due to surgery. So Lopez is clearly ahead of Gallo right now. The thing is that looking at Lopez game it's hard to see a lot of room for improvement. He could get more efficient. in the end tho I don't see him being a go to guy. This isn't a knock on him cuz he can play!

You don't have to improve when you are averaging 20, 9 and 2 as a center. However, when you are doing it as a second year player chances are you will.

Those are great numbers, but that's not what this is about. Do you really see him as a difference maker for a team. Someone you build around as a franchise player? I don't. I can't think of anyone that feels that way about him. He's good and on his losing team he's gonna be a top option. He's made the most of it. As has been noted there are almost no C's in the east that he has to go against, so he's gonna have an easier time of it.

I also said that Lopez does still have upside, which everyone that is arguing for Lopez seems to keep ignoring. No one said he had no upside!!! The point many of us are making is that Lopez doesn't have the same level of upside as Gallo. He's reaching his peak faster both physically and in his game. Part of what is holding Gallo back is that he's not finished growing into his body. He actually just grew a bit more and Lopez has had a chance to adjust to his height and fill out. Once Gallo does I fully expect another burst of improvement from him. Just looking at Gallo's production the guy has an eFG of nearly 60% if the guy simply avg's more shots per game he's gonna be a star. He does just about everything else you need a player to do. We'll see how things develop, but I like what I see so far.

very good way of explaining it.. earlier in this thread I posted something on Alonzo mourning.. his first year in the NBA at age 22, he had one of his best statistical years of his career. He peaked early both physically and in his game.. now did zo get better? yes, he became more polished and experienced of course, but he didn't have this huge upside like shaq had, who had a lot of room to grow in his game.. shaq went 23ppg in his rookie season to almost 30 a few years later and a NBA finals.... you could see from day1 shaq had a higher ceiling.. I know these two may not be the best example, but you get my point I guess..

So the rest of the soph class has proven nothing, but Gallo has..?

So Lopez' stats mean nothing because the Nets are winning at a 300 clip with him, but Gallo's stats should be inflated because we're winning at a 300 clip with him?

Why do some of you want to hyperventilate over Gallo to levels that you haven't over Ariza/Lee/Nate/Frye/Balkman/Chandler/Hill?

OrangeBlobMan's superfandom goes beyond stretching logic.

ESPN-Insider's latest Soph ranking article puts Gallo at #8, which is extremely generous. SuperFans, just take that gift, run with it, and hide it somewhere safe.

Trying to say he's the best in the class is not worth a six page debate.