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GAME THREAD: 12/07/09 @ 07:30PM: Greg Oden goes down more then SuperHead, Nuff said, Knicks smoke the Blazers instead
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12/7/2009  10:02 PM
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Moonangie wrote:Double double again. Lee might be a keeper if he can get a couple more steals and blocks.

You made a funny.

Couple more blocks for the year?

LOL

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12/7/2009  10:03 PM
That was a great game. I would love to get Bayless if he is available.
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12/7/2009  10:05 PM
TMS wrote:impressive win indeed... they played great defense throughout except for a momentary lapse in the 2nd half which is bound to happen in every game, but they weathered the storm well & pulled out the W... now someone tell me again why they can't play defense every night like this?

This is at least in part to do with Nate's absence. No jokers = no distractions = better team effort.

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12/7/2009  10:05 PM
CrushAlot wrote:That was a great game. I would love to get Bayless if he is available.

Bayless showed what we already know about him, that he's explosive going to the hole & can score... but again, do we need another undersized SG on this team? he didn't show he could orchestrate in this game, & that's what he'll have to show before it warrants trading away any of our assets to go after him if u ask me.

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12/7/2009  10:06 PM
Like MDA said, he's looking for a winning attitude and the guys that are playing are thinking only about playing winning team basketball. That alone makes up for whatever individual weaknesses these guys may have.
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12/7/2009  10:08 PM
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TMS wrote:impressive win indeed... they played great defense throughout except for a momentary lapse in the 2nd half which is bound to happen in every game, but they weathered the storm well & pulled out the W... now someone tell me again why they can't play defense every night like this?

This is at least in part to do with Nate's absence. No jokers = no distractions = better team effort.

i think it's just cuz these guys finally decided to give forth an effort on the defensive side of the ball & guys are sharing the ball on offense... it takes a whole team to buy into that to play this way.

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12/7/2009  10:08 PM
nixluva wrote:Like MDA said, he's looking for a winning attitude and the guys that are playing are thinking only about playing winning team basketball. That alone makes up for whatever individual weaknesses these guys may have.

Yea, and this goes back to what I said about systems. It's not so much the individuals that make up the system, but the connections between the individuals that determine the success of the team. I don't mean MDA's 'system', but systems in general. And I think we're seeing this in action with the Knicks right now.

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12/7/2009  10:09 PM
the david lee hate is so misguided. guy is a beast
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/7/2009  10:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2009  10:21 PM
McK1 wrote:the david lee hate is so misguided. guy is a beast

we saw today when he wants to play defense he can... so why doesn't he do it on a more consistent basis? it's not hate, it's frustration cuz u know he's got it in him to play D, but he doesn't more often than not... otherwise i think most people realize he's got skills on the other side of the ball.

MDA even admits he's never seen D Lee come up w/a huge blocked shot during a game... i don't see any reason why Lee can't do it more often, he's got tremendous hops & a long wingspan... if Gallo w/bad back, stiff legs & all can do it then Lee can too.

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12/7/2009  10:15 PM
McK1 wrote:the david lee hate is so misguided. guy is a beast

As long as we can bring along Hill to help with the defense inside, Lee will provide a LOT of production. We have to stop making problems where they don't exist. Lee has his weaknesses, but with GOOD team D and eventually adding a shot blocker he's a solid player.

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12/7/2009  10:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2009  10:20 PM
loweyecue wrote:
TMS wrote:impressive win indeed... they played great defense throughout except for a momentary lapse in the 2nd half which is bound to happen in every game, but they weathered the storm well & pulled out the W... now someone tell me again why they can't play defense every night like this?

This is at least in part to do with Nate's absence. No jokers = no distractions = better team effort.

I tend to agree. NY Giants followed a similar approach - remove distractions, let the talent flows.

The right guys are getting the minutes now, and MDA is running the show. Let's hope the next relapse into low energy defense doesn't sap our good will from this game too much. The boys gotta know to be elite will take max effort across the season, not just for wins, but for conditioning, focus and attitude. It's what winners do.

As for Lee, I think he has been weak on D the whole season. Tonight he started to make effort, and hopefully his conditioning and attitude are growing in the right direction. But he absolutely MUST play D if we are going to win, not just depend on a shot-blocker to rotate and take over.

I liked David's active hands the last two games on D. He's starting to feel his way. I don't need him to leap and block post shots so much as to be tenacious, box out, smack at the ball, and foul hard if he gets beat. Other side of the court he kicks ass. Those Top of Key shots tonight were a wonderful boost in the first half.

4 of 5 baby, this ship may be turning. And we have the trade deadline coming up, with any changes being improvements or salary purges.

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12/7/2009  10:20 PM
TMS wrote:
McK1 wrote:the david lee hate is so misguided. guy is a beast

we saw today when he wants to play defense he can... so why doesn't he do it on a more consistent basis? it's not hate, it's frustration cuz u know he's got it in him to play D, but he doesn't more often than not... otherwise i think most people realize he's got skills on the other side of the ball.

People only like to make posts about Lee being a beast the one out of every 5 games David Lee decides to play defense. Let's see him give consistent effort on that side of the ball before we label anyone a beast. Oh and I still don't think he's an unstoppable offensive player to be labeled a "beast".

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12/7/2009  10:23 PM
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NYK 93 POR 84

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12/7/2009  10:24 PM
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TMS wrote:
McK1 wrote:the david lee hate is so misguided. guy is a beast

we saw today when he wants to play defense he can... so why doesn't he do it on a more consistent basis? it's not hate, it's frustration cuz u know he's got it in him to play D, but he doesn't more often than not... otherwise i think most people realize he's got skills on the other side of the ball.

People only like to make posts about Lee being a beast the one out of every 5 games David Lee decides to play defense. Let's see him give consistent effort on that side of the ball before we label anyone a beast. Oh and I still don't think he's an unstoppable offensive player to be labeled a "beast".

He's REALLY good on offense, Abe Lincoln. Like, REALLY good. I haven't seen many players finish as well as him, and consistently. Guy has a knack for scoring around the basket.

Defense, I don't know, let's see how it progresses.

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12/7/2009  10:24 PM
Moonangie wrote:As for Lee, I think he has been weak on D the whole season. Tonight he started to make effort, and hopefully his conditioning and attitude are growing in the right direction. But he absolutely MUST play D if we are going to win, not just depend on a shot-blocker to rotate and take over.

I liked David's active hands the last two games on D. He's starting to feel his way. I don't need him to leap and block post shots so much as to be tenacious, box out, smack at the ball, and foul hard if he gets beat. Other side of the court he kicks ass. Those Top of Key shots tonight were a wonderful boost in the first half.

that's all i'm asking to see out of Lee... i don't expect him to be Hakeem Olajuwon, just show some effort on defense like he did tonight on a regular basis... there's no reason why he can't, he's got the work ethic & the ability to do it.

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12/7/2009  10:26 PM
If we can trade Curry or Jeffries, go for it. Otherwise what's the point? I guess we have to look at getting any possible value for Lee/Nate but I don't think we get much back. The offseason showed what otyher teams think their real value is. I am more interested in seeing the Knicks playing as a team and acheiving even moderate success, where the young players get to see daylight.

I know its asking for too much at this state, but if we can be a little more consistent with this type of play and Hill gets more time, I'll be one happy fan.

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12/7/2009  10:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2009  10:46 PM
AbrahamLincoln wrote:
TMS wrote:
McK1 wrote:the david lee hate is so misguided. guy is a beast

we saw today when he wants to play defense he can... so why doesn't he do it on a more consistent basis? it's not hate, it's frustration cuz u know he's got it in him to play D, but he doesn't more often than not... otherwise i think most people realize he's got skills on the other side of the ball.

People only like to make posts about Lee being a beast the one out of every 5 games David Lee decides to play defense. Let's see him give consistent effort on that side of the ball before we label anyone a beast. Oh and I still don't think he's an unstoppable offensive player to be labeled a "beast".

haven't seen anyone stop him yet

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/7/2009  11:10 PM
Nice team win.... good defense..

Jeffries and douglas really did a good job on perimeter defenders.. douglas did well on miller.. a knick killer..

Hughes did well but he and harrinton got too shot happy late in that 4th quarter..

Lee, outmanned again, more than held his own...

Gallo was good, stuffing the stat sheet and hitting that big three off the dribble to stop the blazers run.. that took some gonads... big shot..

chandler, took better shots, but looked lost sometimes.. still played a better game, and went 2-2 from downtown..


nice win....

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12/7/2009  11:33 PM
McK1 wrote:
AbrahamLincoln wrote:
TMS wrote:
McK1 wrote:the david lee hate is so misguided. guy is a beast

we saw today when he wants to play defense he can... so why doesn't he do it on a more consistent basis? it's not hate, it's frustration cuz u know he's got it in him to play D, but he doesn't more often than not... otherwise i think most people realize he's got skills on the other side of the ball.

People only like to make posts about Lee being a beast the one out of every 5 games David Lee decides to play defense. Let's see him give consistent effort on that side of the ball before we label anyone a beast. Oh and I still don't think he's an unstoppable offensive player to be labeled a "beast".

haven't seen anyone stop him yet

Yes, he's the modern day Kevin McHale now.

I want to add I meant 1 out of every 45 games he decides to play defense, not 5.

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12/7/2009  11:46 PM
AbrahamLincoln wrote:
McK1 wrote:
AbrahamLincoln wrote:
TMS wrote:
McK1 wrote:the david lee hate is so misguided. guy is a beast

we saw today when he wants to play defense he can... so why doesn't he do it on a more consistent basis? it's not hate, it's frustration cuz u know he's got it in him to play D, but he doesn't more often than not... otherwise i think most people realize he's got skills on the other side of the ball.

People only like to make posts about Lee being a beast the one out of every 5 games David Lee decides to play defense. Let's see him give consistent effort on that side of the ball before we label anyone a beast. Oh and I still don't think he's an unstoppable offensive player to be labeled a "beast".

haven't seen anyone stop him yet

Yes, he's the modern day Kevin McHale now.

I want to add I meant 1 out of every 45 games he decides to play defense, not 5.

Please....2 games ago we beat the suns - the team with the best record in the NBA at the time.
Ask Amar'e the stud, how he well he did against David Lee. Like 14 pts and 5 reb while David Lee scored 24 pts and 8 reb and 4 steals. I don't care that Lee didn't block any of Amar'e's shots. He totally outplayed Amar'e , that is good enough for me.

Enjoy the win tonight!

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