Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Solace:

I think bitty has a point. I don't think Lee is necessarily being unreasonable and his stats match the price point. The problem is, he put up the stats on an awful team and the Knicks have a long term plan. Whether or not Lee is worth $10 million a year is debatable, but from Lee's agent's perspective, they are comparing Lee to other guys who are making in that ballpark, so bitty's point is valid.

I'm also happy to see that we haven't caved in and paid more than we should. Let's stop hating on Lee for no reason, though. This board has turned on Lee extremely fast, and really for no valid reason, IMHO.

I havent seen anybody get a deal this offseason where Lee can point to and say: "hey, see there I should be getting more than that guy" Its not 1999, hell, not not even 2008 anymore and Lee has to realize that and stop comparing himself to players that got deals in better markets. Its fruitless.

And again, I dont begrudge the man for wanting to get paid. Nothing wrong at all with that. But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about it. Whining to the media is not going to do anything but lose him fans.

For him to use Lebron's name in any respect when it comes to his deal is as lame as it gets for a variety of reasons.

Just say: Hey, we're working on a deal --- they have their side and we have ours and hopefully it can work out. Or better yet, dont say anything at all, because in these times nobody is trying to hear some NBA player menstrate over the fact that he is only being offered six mill a year to play ball and not 8-10. Lee's a bitch.

According to a source, if Lee agreed to a one-year deal, the Knicks would be willing to pay him close to $6 million, more than double the qualifying offer and about the same as the annual salaries Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza received from the Lakers and Rockets, respectively, this summer.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/07/24/2009-07-24_david_lee_doesnt_see_long_stretch_in_knick_stint.html#ixzz0MBaECNMc


That's from that Daily News article.

In a normal market DLee is worth 10 Mill per MAYBE.

At this point in their careers is Lee worth 66% more than Artest and Ariza?

The diff. between 6 mill and 10 mill is 4 mill.

4 mill over 6 mill = a 66% difference.

If Lee takes the 8 million dollar deal, he would still be getting paid 33% more than Artest or Ariza. His agent needs to give him this spiel and say dude you will be getting paid 33% more than Artest and Ariza. That's pretty good.

Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Solace:

I think bitty has a point. I don't think Lee is necessarily being unreasonable and his stats match the price point. The problem is, he put up the stats on an awful team and the Knicks have a long term plan. Whether or not Lee is worth $10 million a year is debatable, but from Lee's agent's perspective, they are comparing Lee to other guys who are making in that ballpark, so bitty's point is valid.

I'm also happy to see that we haven't caved in and paid more than we should. Let's stop hating on Lee for no reason, though. This board has turned on Lee extremely fast, and really for no valid reason, IMHO.

I havent seen anybody get a deal this offseason where Lee can point to and say: "hey, see there I should be getting more than that guy" Its not 1999, hell, not not even 2008 anymore and Lee has to realize that and stop comparing himself to players that got deals in better markets. Its fruitless.

And again, I dont begrudge the man for wanting to get paid. Nothing wrong at all with that. But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about it. Whining to the media is not going to do anything but lose him fans.

For him to use Lebron's name in any respect when it comes to his deal is as lame as it gets for a variety of reasons.

Just say: Hey, we're working on a deal --- they have their side and we have ours and hopefully it can work out. Or better yet, dont say anything at all, because in these times nobody is trying to hear some NBA player menstrate over the fact that he is only being offered six mill a year to play ball and not 8-10. Lee's a bitch.

According to a source, if Lee agreed to a one-year deal, the Knicks would be willing to pay him close to $6 million, more than double the qualifying offer and about the same as the annual salaries Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza received from the Lakers and Rockets, respectively, this summer.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/07/24/2009-07-24_david_lee_doesnt_see_long_stretch_in_knick_stint.html#ixzz0MBaECNMc


That's from that Daily News article.

In a normal market DLee is worth 10 Mill per MAYBE.

At this point in their careers is Lee worth 66% more than Artest and Ariza?

The diff. between 6 mill and 10 mill is 4 mill.

4 mill over 6 mill = a 66% difference.

If Lee takes the 8 million dollar deal, he would still be getting paid 33% more than Artest or Ariza. His agent needs to give him this spiel and say dude you will be getting paid 33% more than Artest and Ariza. That's pretty good.

Reezy is not the state whore that Lee has become and Artest is a mental gamble. Dlee is worth the money in comparison. IMHO

He must want to puke when he sees the money that has been thrown around here the last 4 years. Marbury makes 20mil and told to stay home. Jerome can't even get on the court and Eddy can't get off the toliet!

In his time here look at the bloated money and the lack of value he has seen!

This guy was our best player and I don't blame him one bit for being: "I've been frustrated a little bit by the amount of effort put in and it's been tough," (his quote).

So I'd leave it at that!

Im sure nate is none too much happier!

And both are doing it just fine!

Verajao I think got a handshake deal last year and was told he would be taken care of.
Im just thinking what makes sense cuz he is making too much money IN THIS MARKET!

Whether it be his hustle, playing hurt, or even matinee idol pretty white boy thing it don't matter, the guy has to be a bit disheartend in this market.

IM not saying we should break the bank and I don't think he is either.

If the 7-8 mil per deal is still on the table and the old man works it into the master plan then I hope we can retain his services.

Or we send Darko to visit his mother!

Does anyone here truly believe that David Lee is worth a 10-12 mil per season contract from NY? or any other team for that matter?

Positives: He is a hard worker, hustle player, excellent rebounder, developed a jump shot out to 12-15 ft on the perimeter, passes and dribbles fairly well for a big; Has improved his statistics in every category last year while playing out of position for this team. Definitely a fan favorite at the garden.

Negatives: Not a defensive force, Doesn't have the best footwork in the low post. Can not run an offense through him. He is not a closer in games, cannot be relied upon as a go to guy.

My thoughts, as popular a player that David Lee is... and as much of an asset as he's been for NYK this past year; the market is truly telling the story. No teams have expressed enough interest to make an offer that would force Donnie Walsh's hand. Its partially due to the economic factors, his restricted free agency status.. (fearing the Knicks likely will match)/ but moreover, It's likely due to this reason as a whole-- DAVID LEE is not valued as greatly as most believed. He is a marginal talent at best. I think Donnie is playing this out to a tee! Let David's agent find the 10 mil per suitor, if he does.. its apparent NYK doesnt match, obviously any deals above the 8 mil (NYK is rumored to offer) would impact our ability to sign MARQUEE TALENTS IN 2010. David Lee gets his gwap and we lose out. Its a risk but, gladly one that i'd take! The other option, have his agent contact the many teams of interest that were largely reported in weeks prior... work out sign and trade scenarios. I like the thought of this developing 3 way floating around w/ Chi/Port/NY-- All though I haven't heard anything official yet!

Bottom line is, David Lee is at a disadvantage here... he doesn't have MANY options... if he truly wants to play in NY as he suggested initially, he should stop the hardball negotiation tactics and make a realistic deal. Ron Artest, is better than David Lee.. obviously two different position players.. but he is closer to ALL STAR status than David Lee I.M.O. he took a deal 3yrs @ 18mil. WHY THEN.. would David Lee and his agent, think that he should command more than 8 mil per? I've watched Arli$$ and Jerry Macguire lol, I know that the sports agent will always attempt to maximize his clients value but, at some point doesn't realism set in. Especially when it is at the risk of ruining what I (and Probably most Fans/NBA execs???) perceive to be a fair offer.. I'd imagine at some point Donnie Walsh will walk away from negotiations.

Keep focusing on a playmaking point guard Donnie!!! Ramon Sessions-- hopefully Milwaukee doesn't match

Posted by EnySpree:

Guess we can lock this thread now....nothing left to say here

Might as well lock the whole forum then. All we do here is talk a bunch a crap that doesn't really mean anything at the end of the day.

Posted by Moonangie:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Marv:

Everything’s skewed because we have a unique opportunity in 2010. sure, wade and lebron are longshots, but if we have a chance at potentially 2 of Amare, Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Josh Howard, Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldridge and Rajon Rondo, then I don’t want holding onto David Lee to jeopardize that.

Lee’s been a great soldier and a great knick. But he’s gotten a lot out of this too. the knicks took him in the 1st round when it didn’t appear any other team would, gave him plenty of playing time and exposure and helped support his development into a 16/12/2 player. They don’t owe him a thing at this point, he’s responsible for where his career goes next. If it works out with the knicks, great. If it’s at a much lower cost than he wanted, still great. If they sign and trade him to lower cap, still great imo.

Agreed.

Guess we can lock this thread now....nothing left to say here

Seconded. And well put, Marv.

Yes Marv, you truly have a genius for for expressing the most complex concepts using a minimum of excess verbiage.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Moonangie:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Marv:

Everything’s skewed because we have a unique opportunity in 2010. sure, wade and lebron are longshots, but if we have a chance at potentially 2 of Amare, Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Josh Howard, Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldridge and Rajon Rondo, then I don’t want holding onto David Lee to jeopardize that.

Lee’s been a great soldier and a great knick. But he’s gotten a lot out of this too. the knicks took him in the 1st round when it didn’t appear any other team would, gave him plenty of playing time and exposure and helped support his development into a 16/12/2 player. They don’t owe him a thing at this point, he’s responsible for where his career goes next. If it works out with the knicks, great. If it’s at a much lower cost than he wanted, still great. If they sign and trade him to lower cap, still great imo.

Agreed.

Guess we can lock this thread now....nothing left to say here

Seconded. And well put, Marv.

Yes Marv, you truly have a genius for for expressing the most complex concepts using a minimum of excess verbiage.

Truly, it has all been said.

send closk me baby.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Moonangie:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Marv:

Everything’s skewed because we have a unique opportunity in 2010. sure, wade and lebron are longshots, but if we have a chance at potentially 2 of Amare, Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Josh Howard, Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldridge and Rajon Rondo, then I don’t want holding onto David Lee to jeopardize that.

Lee’s been a great soldier and a great knick. But he’s gotten a lot out of this too. the knicks took him in the 1st round when it didn’t appear any other team would, gave him plenty of playing time and exposure and helped support his development into a 16/12/2 player. They don’t owe him a thing at this point, he’s responsible for where his career goes next. If it works out with the knicks, great. If it’s at a much lower cost than he wanted, still great. If they sign and trade him to lower cap, still great imo.

Agreed.

Guess we can lock this thread now....nothing left to say here

Seconded. And well put, Marv.

Yes Marv, you truly have a genius for for expressing the most complex concepts using a minimum of excess verbiage.

Truly, it has all been said.

send closk me baby.

You got it.

ooh. it feels SO good.

Lee is frustrated, huh?

Don't worry, Dave, we're frustrated as well.

With your lack of defense, lack of a legit offensive game, lack of a commitment to crisp passing even though you do have excellent court vision, lack of a physique that will allow you to stay active in the NBA in fact we already have watched you get slower, lack of a desire to learn how to not get stuffed more than any player in NBA history.

And, lastly, lack of an ability to understand despite your double doubles you truly are a top of the line BACKUP ROLE PLAYER on a good team and not worth more than 6-7M starting salary no matter who paid what other player worse than you too much money.

Yep, we're frustrated alright!

I think David is very wrong.
He should just say that he is glad that Knicks want him to take 2.7 mil QO.
That Walsh is his Papa and Mike D is his Mama, and all Knicks fans are his best friends who love him so much.
Come on David, stop crying, go shoot another 1000 jumpers an learn how to defend guards of NBA, we have nobody to do this job.

The reality is that in this market Lee isn't worth anywhere close to what his agent is telling him he should get. Any speculated sign and trade for Lee offers appear to be all NY media based. Lee should be disappointed but Walsh was right and fair in the first place.