Posted by King1:

He was your leading scorer, rebounded and shot at a great percentage. So the Knicks havent liked any of the players they have had in 25 years except Ewing and he didnt win anything. All the things Knicks fans like Ewing is the closest to that.

You are just a flat out fool. The Knicks have averaged avg'd 25 wins since Lee has been a Knick. Check out Ewing's win %...just a wee bit higher plus many more playoff appearances. Many NEW YORK fans would agree that a man named Michael Jordan did a nice job of preventing multiple players of the 50 greatest variety from ever winning a ring. How about Barkley and Karl Malone...never won sh-t either...damn overpaid losers...just like Lee.

LOL passively agressive. Sounds like Eddy eating a cheesburger.

Atlantic Division pennants and conference championships count as winning in my book, and are seriously underrated. Ewing got us that at least. And I'm a D-Lee fan, but let's put this all into perspective. Ain't like we catching up to the Lakers or the Celts anytime soon. How about some playoff basketball at least!

Posted by DrAlphaeus:

Atlantic Division pennants and conference championships count as winning in my book, and are seriously underrated. Ewing got us that at least. And I'm a D-Lee fan, but let's put this all into perspective. Ain't like we catching up to the Lakers or the Celts anytime soon. How about some playoff basketball at least!

I'm still definitely a D Lee fan too. I'd be sad if we lost him for nothing. I just don't want them to either give him an Allan Houston like contract or to do a bad sign and trade just for the sake of getting *something* for him.

Posted by Caseloads:

um, lee sucks. you guys can eat it.

seriously, walsh should have traded him and curry early in the season, PERIOD, since he is most likely NOT getting re-signed. We should have gotten several draft picks stockpiled up. Oh well.

Is there ANY evidence that any team was ready to give up a high draft pick for Lee? And we would have had to take back other players too wouldn't we? I want to see real tangible evidence that we could have obtained somethng that would have made us better. Not "possible" scenarios but reports (even rumors) of real interest from real teams offering us picks. Was there any? Not saying there wasn't just don't remember, so its an honest question. No sarcasm involved. If not I find this damning of Donnie based on pure conjecture and hypotheticals somewhat full of it.

I think its very easy to get carried away by how things play out when you have the benefit of hindsight. But if you want to judge any decision objectively you have to weigh it aganst the cost of the alternative scenarios that could have happened. Best decisions are made my considering all possible outcomes, only one of them ever really plays out. So in retrospect the decision should not be valuated based on that one scenario only. But I digress, and am open to reasoned arguments as to why what Donnie did was so wrong.

everybody

Posted by TMS:

Posted by loweyecue:

Posted by Caseloads:

um, lee sucks. you guys can eat it.

seriously, walsh should have traded him and curry early in the season, PERIOD, since he is most likely NOT getting re-signed. We should have gotten several draft picks stockpiled up. Oh well.

Is there ANY evidence that any team was ready to give up a high draft pick for Lee? And we would have had to take back other players too wouldn't we? I want to see real tangible evidence that we could have obtained somethng that would have made us better. Not "possible" scenarios but reports (even rumors) of real interest from real teams offering us picks. Was there any? Not saying there wasn't just don't remember, so its an honest question. No sarcasm involved. If not I find this damning of Donnie based on pure conjecture and hypotheticals somewhat full of it.

I think its very easy to get carried away by how things play out when you have the benefit of hindsight. But if you want to judge any decision objectively you have to weigh it aganst the cost of the alternative scenarios that could have happened. Best decisions are made my considering all possible outcomes, only one of them ever really plays out. So in retrospect the decision should not be valuated based on that one scenario only. But I digress, and am open to reasoned arguments as to why what Donnie did was so wrong.

there was a very serious rumor going around on Draft Day last year where we were offering Lee & Malik to MEM for their #5 overall pick (w/which we would have targetted OJ Mayo) & Brian Cardinal, but it fell through when Lee's agent said he wouldn't re-sign w/them after last year... now it turns out MEM is 1 of the teams Lee & his agent are potentially considering signing with? does this not bother anyone else but SupremeCommander & myself? if it goes down like that it will leave a huge bitter taste in my mouth... & that's not hindsight, i was saying we should have traded Lee & Nate at the deadline months before the deadline even came around last year.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-01-2009 5:30 PM]

If his agent said he wouldnt play in Memphis and the Griz heard that and pulled away from the trade then I would be wanting to blame his agent for messing up our trade. Why blame Donnie Walsh though?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by loweyecue:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by loweyecue:

Posted by Caseloads:

um, lee sucks. you guys can eat it.

seriously, walsh should have traded him and curry early in the season, PERIOD, since he is most likely NOT getting re-signed. We should have gotten several draft picks stockpiled up. Oh well.

Is there ANY evidence that any team was ready to give up a high draft pick for Lee? And we would have had to take back other players too wouldn't we? I want to see real tangible evidence that we could have obtained somethng that would have made us better. Not "possible" scenarios but reports (even rumors) of real interest from real teams offering us picks. Was there any? Not saying there wasn't just don't remember, so its an honest question. No sarcasm involved. If not I find this damning of Donnie based on pure conjecture and hypotheticals somewhat full of it.

I think its very easy to get carried away by how things play out when you have the benefit of hindsight. But if you want to judge any decision objectively you have to weigh it aganst the cost of the alternative scenarios that could have happened. Best decisions are made my considering all possible outcomes, only one of them ever really plays out. So in retrospect the decision should not be valuated based on that one scenario only. But I digress, and am open to reasoned arguments as to why what Donnie did was so wrong.

there was a very serious rumor going around on Draft Day last year where we were offering Lee & Malik to MEM for their #5 overall pick (w/which we would have targetted OJ Mayo) & Brian Cardinal, but it fell through when Lee's agent said he wouldn't re-sign w/them after last year... now it turns out MEM is 1 of the teams Lee & his agent are potentially considering signing with? does this not bother anyone else but SupremeCommander & myself? if it goes down like that it will leave a huge bitter taste in my mouth... & that's not hindsight, i was saying we should have traded Lee & Nate at the deadline months before the deadline even came around last year.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-01-2009 5:30 PM]

If his agent said he wouldnt play in Memphis and the Griz heard that and pulled away from the trade then I would be wanting to blame his agent for messing up our trade. Why blame Donnie Walsh though?

first of all, i haven't blamed Donnie for anything yet... as of now D Lee is still a RFA & i'm giving Walsh a chance to work out some kinda S&T for Lee to get some value back for him instead of letting him walk... i was disappointed that Walsh didn't trade Lee & Nate at the deadline last year cuz i thought he could have easily gotten some draft picks for them w/which we could have used to make deals with this past Draft Day... who knows, we could have moved up to take Rubio at #5 instead of having MIN step up & still held onto our #8 pick in the process... i said all of this stuff months before the trade deadline last year, so really none of this is hindsight... i just don't wanna see Lee walk w/o getting back value in return... IMO that's always been the worst possible outcome which should be avoided at all costs, & it's beginning to look more & more like it's gonna turn out that way... i hope Donnie can pull something outta his hat to make sure it doesn't happen.

With all due respect, how is this not hondsight? Did Rubio even declare for the draft before the trade deadline? We cant predict what pick he would have gotten in exchange. What if we traded Lee and picked Tyler Hansbrough would you accept that "value"? And what about Brian Cardinal's contract when does that end? Is it ok to get a longer contract and end up with Hansbrough? We would then have exchanged Lee for a longer contract a player whose ceiling could well be Lee! Focusing on what transpired really isn't the best way to evaluate the decision. Its hard to do otherwise but you have to consider otehr possibilities

You say Good-bye (Lee) , I say Hello!

Lee looks more and more like he could stay. Memphis just agreed to a trade for Zach Randolph for Q.
Charlie Villenueva just signed with Detroit for a minimum of 5 yrs for $35 million.

Villanueva.....also agreed to a five-year deal. His contract is worth at least $35 million.

Two potential suiters for David Lee (Memphis and Detroit) are now out of the running. Also, Charlie V's deal sets the standard which David Lee will also get. So the Knicks current offer of $8 million for 4 years for David Lee will probably hold.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Markji:

You say Good-bye (Lee) , I say Hello!

Lee looks more and more like he could stay. Memphis just agreed to a trade for Zach Randolph for Q.
Charlie Villenueva just signed with Detroit for a minimum of 5 yrs for $35 million.

Villanueva.....also agreed to a five-year deal. His contract is worth at least $35 million.

Two potential suiters for David Lee (Memphis and Detroit) are now out of the running. Also, Charlie V's deal sets the standard which David Lee will also get. So the Knicks current offer of $8 million for 4 years for David Lee will probably hold.

Was just going to post something similar. We'll see how badly the Thunder want Lee. I still think a sign and trade with Portland is our best bet.

That also could work for me depending on who we get back. Also, someone proposed a 3 way trade in another thread , with Minny, Portland and us. We'd get Rubio. If that works, great.

A re-signed David Lee for Jeff Green, BJ Mullens and Earl Watson?