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JohnWallace44
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5/14/2009  4:54 PM
TKF - who's Curry gonna be? He's not a natural point, so he's not going to be Nash. He's an unathletic two guard who's going to try to play out of position, and he's going to be a liability on defense.

Sounds like a small Crawford to me. Maybe a BJ Armstrong without defense.

I'll stop arguing. Nobody is going to convince me that you take this very limited player over guys who have big upside and can step in and play plus defense tomorrow.
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5/14/2009  5:13 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

TKF - who's Curry gonna be? He's not a natural point, so he's not going to be Nash. He's an unathletic two guard who's going to try to play out of position, and he's going to be a liability on defense.

Sounds like a small Crawford to me. Maybe a BJ Armstrong without defense.

I'll stop arguing. Nobody is going to convince me that you take this very limited player over guys who have big upside and can step in and play plus defense tomorrow.

Billups came out of school as a shoot-first PG with bad knees.

Curry may not have been a PG for long but it doesn't mean he can't become one.
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5/14/2009  5:19 PM
Crawford relied on his athleticism early on in is career. Curry is no where the athlete Crawford is and was. tkf doesn't like the comparison but he is Luther Head and Eddie House. Sharp shooters that are too small to play the SG spot and lack the athleticism, lateral speed and strength to play point guard for major minutes. The problem is that neither were thought about being drafted so high.

Steve Nash he ain't. Nash had to be convince to take his shot more. That is a guy with a pass first mentality. Curry doesn't have it.

Luther Head scouting report
Strengths
A pure and natural shooter, he can hit consistently from outside. His skills and quickness make him capable of playing both guard positions, and he can take over games as a scorer when he gets on a roll.

Weaknesses
A shooting guard in a point guard's body. Too much of his game is on the perimeter, and he doesn't go to the rack often enough or dish off to teammates. He also brings little as a rebounder and doesn't register a lot of steals.

Just compare that to Curry's scouting report and then take a look at Nash's. How anyone in the world looks at Curry's game and see Steve Nash is a mystery.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-14-2009 5:24 PM]
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5/14/2009  5:31 PM
yo, those highlights for jennings weren't meant to be highlights per se, more like a youtube scouting video, hence all the turnovers. they wanted to show both sides of jennings, the man and the machine.

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5/14/2009  7:45 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Crawford relied on his athleticism early on in is career. Curry is no where the athlete Crawford is and was. tkf doesn't like the comparison but he is Luther Head and Eddie House. Sharp shooters that are too small to play the SG spot and lack the athleticism, lateral speed and strength to play point guard for major minutes. The problem is that neither were thought about being drafted so high.

Steve Nash he ain't. Nash had to be convince to take his shot more. That is a guy with a pass first mentality. Curry doesn't have it.

Luther Head scouting report
Strengths
A pure and natural shooter, he can hit consistently from outside. His skills and quickness make him capable of playing both guard positions, and he can take over games as a scorer when he gets on a roll.

Weaknesses
A shooting guard in a point guard's body. Too much of his game is on the perimeter, and he doesn't go to the rack often enough or dish off to teammates. He also brings little as a rebounder and doesn't register a lot of steals.

Just compare that to Curry's scouting report and then take a look at Nash's. How anyone in the world looks at Curry's game and see Steve Nash is a mystery.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-14-2009 5:24 PM]

He reminds me of Stoudemire for Atlanta. Just not worth the #8 pick.
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5/14/2009  7:59 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

TKF - who's Curry gonna be? He's not a natural point, so he's not going to be Nash. He's an unathletic two guard who's going to try to play out of position, and he's going to be a liability on defense.

Sounds like a small Crawford to me. Maybe a BJ Armstrong without defense.

I'll stop arguing. Nobody is going to convince me that you take this very limited player over guys who have big upside and can step in and play plus defense tomorrow.

Billups came out of school as a shoot-first PG with bad knees.

Curry may not have been a PG for long but it doesn't mean he can't become one.

You it's interesting that you bring up Billups Martin because I really want to believe that is what Curry could become but Curry is no where near the defender that Billups was even in college. Everything else aside Billups could always fall back on his defense even he when he went from lottery darling to trade bait and to all-star status. Curry doesn't play with that type of passion on the defensive end.
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5/15/2009  12:01 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Crawford relied on his athleticism early on in is career. Curry is no where the athlete Crawford is and was. tkf doesn't like the comparison but he is Luther Head and Eddie House. Sharp shooters that are too small to play the SG spot and lack the athleticism, lateral speed and strength to play point guard for major minutes. The problem is that neither were thought about being drafted so high.

Steve Nash he ain't. Nash had to be convince to take his shot more. That is a guy with a pass first mentality. Curry doesn't have it.

Luther Head scouting report
Strengths
A pure and natural shooter, he can hit consistently from outside. His skills and quickness make him capable of playing both guard positions, and he can take over games as a scorer when he gets on a roll.

Weaknesses
A shooting guard in a point guard's body. Too much of his game is on the perimeter, and he doesn't go to the rack often enough or dish off to teammates. He also brings little as a rebounder and doesn't register a lot of steals.

Just compare that to Curry's scouting report and then take a look at Nash's. How anyone in the world looks at Curry's game and see Steve Nash is a mystery.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-14-2009 5:24 PM]


I don't like the comparison because Head or house don't handle the ball as well as curry, neither do they pass as well, and those are huge parts of a PG's game.... the fact that he is a great scorer doesn't mean he can't play point... I am not stuck on curry, I just hate dismissing the notion of drafting him because there are other very flawed players who have "potential"... For me, flawed players with potential end up like Gerald green, more than they do, vince carter and Dwayne wade......
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5/15/2009  12:13 AM
I would say Head's handle is very similar to Curry's. I agree both are better than House. I don't mind taking a flier on high potential guys but I am not in favor drafting low potential guys very high.
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5/15/2009  7:32 AM
Curry isnt just a shoot first PG. He's an elite scorer. He's scoring 30 points a night when the entire defense is focused on him and he's unselfish to boot.

He's nothing like Crawford who is all about shake bake and chuck. Curry is much more like a shorter Reggie Miller. He's a nightmare to guard away from the ball. We winds and weaves through screens and traffic and needs about 9 inches of space to get off that amazing shot. When he's got the ball he can destroy you off screens because of that quick release. He's the perfect pick and roll PG because that perfect jumper means you have to stay tight on him.

Guys like Crawford, Salim Stoudemire.. they were good college scorers. Curry is one of the best in the last 10 years and he's got pedigree and outstanding basketball IQ to back it up.

I think he's a mix of Jeff Horncek and Mark Price. He's only shoot first if thats the best shot
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5/15/2009  9:17 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I would say Head's handle is very similar to Curry's. I agree both are better than House. I don't mind taking a flier on high potential guys but I am not in favor drafting low potential guys very high.

I think Curry is more of a pg than Head and he is a better shooter. You say low potential. Why? Because he does not have a 42" vertical. The dude is the best college shooter in the nation. If Curry's game can translate to the NBA, he will be a 20 pt, 7-8 assist a game player. That is plenty of potential.
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5/15/2009  9:38 AM
Posted by TheGame:
If Curry's game can translate to the NBA, he will be a 20 pt, 7-8 assist a game player. That is plenty of potential.

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5/15/2009  10:52 AM
...Curry is much more like a shorter Reggie Miller...

Or, Reggie with point guard skills or something along those lines. Reggie played some badass D but it was smart, somewhat unconventional, D. I agree Curry's going to have work on his D and adapt it to NBA play but he did fine against nearly every (Patrick Mills being the exception) NBA-ready player he guarded in college. Yeah, some larger SGs are going to eat him up at first but mostly he'll be guarding PGs and, well, I think he'll adapt. He may not make the All-Star team on his D but I think he'll be much better than average.
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5/15/2009  11:01 AM
he's gonna be Mike Bibby at best, Juan Dixon at worst.
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5/15/2009  11:13 AM
Just an aside: No one is talking about Patrick Mills anymore. I guess his mid-season injury hurt his draft position but I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the first round. Mills was a monster this year when he wasn't injured. For a while, everyone was talking about him. He's fallen off a lot of charts but NBAdraft still has him going to NO at 21 even if they don't have much of a profile of him.
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5/15/2009  11:43 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Curry isnt just a shoot first PG. He's an elite scorer. He's scoring 30 points a night when the entire defense is focused on him and he's unselfish to boot.

He's nothing like Crawford who is all about shake bake and chuck. Curry is much more like a shorter Reggie Miller. He's a nightmare to guard away from the ball. We winds and weaves through screens and traffic and needs about 9 inches of space to get off that amazing shot. When he's got the ball he can destroy you off screens because of that quick release. He's the perfect pick and roll PG because that perfect jumper means you have to stay tight on him.

Guys like Crawford, Salim Stoudemire.. they were good college scorers. Curry is one of the best in the last 10 years and he's got pedigree and outstanding basketball IQ to back it up.

I think he's a mix of Jeff Horncek and Mark Price. He's only shoot first if thats the best shot

And I would take both of those guys in a heart beat..... bTW, I ran into mark price at a basketball tourney last year in georgia, nice guy, his son is a decent player as well.
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5/15/2009  12:44 PM
We should move back in the draft and get Mullens and either

A a pick in the 2010 first round or a second first rounder this year where can get get a PG --Curry could EASILY just drop to us--even if we have to buy in for a second pick and there are very acceptable options at PG

Were banking on Curry[who I like] but not enough to bank on!

We need a C for Christ sakes.
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5/15/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


Were banking on Curry[who I like] but not enough to bank on!

We need a C for Christ sakes.

Wow, earlier in the year when he was scoring 40 you had Curry pegged as the best guard in the country.

oohah

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5/15/2009  1:56 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Were banking on Curry[who I like] but not enough to bank on!

We need a C for Christ sakes.

Wow, earlier in the year when he was scoring 40 you had Curry pegged as the best guard in the country.

oohah

I like Curry but I think we can get both players if we play it right.
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5/15/2009  2:02 PM
knicks should make a play for tj ford. he's now the backup to jack.
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5/15/2009  2:03 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Were banking on Curry[who I like] but not enough to bank on!

We need a C for Christ sakes.

Wow, earlier in the year when he was scoring 40 you had Curry pegged as the best guard in the country.

oohah

I like Curry but I think we can get both players if we play it right.

why don't u just agree w/me when i tell u these things instead of coming around days later? last week u wanted to draft Mullens at #8
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