Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by DarkKnicks:

Posted by TMS:

really guys, we're in no position to be talking about taking Rubio cuz we ain't winning a top 3 pick in this draft.

Yep, thats it. I never thought Ricky would be considered a top 3 pick at this point. Maybe he declares for the draft next year and we... er... do we have our own 1st round pick next year?

BTW, I also would take Griffin over Rubio if I had the 1st overall pick.

if a miracle happens & we somehow land the #2 pick, i would have a hard time deciding whether to take Rubio or Derozan... i really like Jordan Hill but i think he's gonna be a good 2 way player, but not quite a star when it's all said & done... Derozan & Rubio probably both have star potential, but that's all it is right now... both are still a big risk to take that high, but right now the Knicks are so damned starved for Star calibre players that we should be willing to take those types of risks... i'm sorta leaning towards Derozan tho personally, but we can probably get him lower than #2.

As much as I like Derozen.. I'd take Rubio in a heartbeat.

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by BigSm00th:

rubio's got a ton of swag too.

briggs, did you see him play cp3, jkidd, and deron williams in the olympics? he gave all of them a run for their money. i know the int'l game is different, but to have that much poise on the international stage was pretty impressive.

if rubio is in, without a doubt, i want him on the knicks.

He was not intimidated by any of the guys on the U.S. but what impressed me the most is that he really looks like he can play defense.

I also think that at age 18, he is stronger than people think. He has the range and flexibility that allows him to play stronger than he looks and put his body into position where he uses leverage to compensate for sheer physical strength (It is actually the type of thing that allows Balkman to play stronger than his actual physical strength.).

He would be a lifesaver for this franchise and NYC basketball if we could pick him up.

Posted by lumbardar:

Other reason why I don't want ricky rubio it going to take lots of time to become a good player and also we took a big risk in draft gallanari last year and why take another risk like that. Some of you guys don't know this he has 8 millinion dallar buyout and european clubs only can take 500k from the nba and thats pretty big buyout.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

If Blake Griffin was actually picked by the Knicks he would average 23 points and grab 13 rebounds in year one shooting 58=% In his prime he will average 27 points and 15 rebounds in an uptempo game like this. Like the Lakers I would rather stack up on quality bigs--they still lead the league in scoring and dont even have 1 true PG on their roster. If somehow we were able to get Bosh the following year with David Lee as wheel three and a 7 footer who can play situational--that would be our fastest road to winning. I think any fair PG could work that team

If we get Blake--we will win 50 games NEXT year with a nice MLE and a few tweaks. I cant say that about any other guy in this draft.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-10-2009 1:55 PM]

i love Griffin too, but let's not get crazy here dude... we're talking Tim Duncan in his prime numbers when u say 23 & 13, & u expect Griffin to do that his 1st year? & shooting 58% no less? come on dude, what are u smokin?

& 27 & 15 are pretty crazy azz numbers too... not even Karl Malone ever had a season like that... stop buggin.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

If Blake Griffin was actually picked by the Knicks he would average 23 points and grab 13 rebounds in year one shooting 58=% In his prime he will average 27 points and 15 rebounds in an uptempo game like this. Like the Lakers I would rather stack up on quality bigs--they still lead the league in scoring and dont even have 1 true PG on their roster. If somehow we were able to get Bosh the following year with David Lee as wheel three and a 7 footer who can play situational--that would be our fastest road to winning. I think any fair PG could work that team

If we get Blake--we will win 50 games NEXT year with a nice MLE and a few tweaks. I cant say that about any other guy in this draft.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-10-2009 1:55 PM]

i love Griffin too, but let's not get crazy here dude... we're talking Tim Duncan in his prime numbers when u say 23 & 13, & u expect Griffin to do that his 1st year? & shooting 58% no less? come on dude, what are u smokin?

& 27 & 15 are pretty crazy azz numbers too... not even Karl Malone ever had a season like that... stop buggin.

Didn't everyone say that Beasely was a shoe-in for 20/8 this year? He hasn't even come close.

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Well I hope the Knicks hold serious workouts this year for all their participants rather than that one on none garbage they granted Gallinari.

I think that a lot of that is determined by the players and their agents. If I remember correctly, a number of the top picks had agents who got their clients the type of workout that Gallinari got.

I agree, however, that I would rather have contending prospects playing against each other in front of team evaluators.

I wonder if fans would care about workouts, though. I seem to recall reading that Jason Thompson had destroyed (perhaps too strong of a word) Anthony Randolph and some other big men in some pre-draft workouts last year and that Nelson wanted to take him over Randolph- but I just can't picture the many people on UK who had hard-ons for Randolph because of some spectacular highlights turning against their boy because of some workouts where he was dominated by Thompson, a solid, but unexciting 4 year player who was not a YouTube darling and who they had never had a chance to watch on TV because of the school he played at.

How many Knicks' fans were crying out for Thompson to be picked last year? If the Knicks had held workouts where Thompson looked better than Randolph I can guarantee you that guys would have been coming up with excuses for taking Randolph anyway and ridiculed a pick of Thompson over Randolph by the Knicks.

Fans have their own favorites, and will go out of their way to defend them when comparisons are made, and I doubt if they would care how players were evaluated by their teams if their favorite came up short in the evaluations.

MDA had a chance to watch Rubio play against a team he coached, by the way, and Rubio, like Gallinari, has been one of the most watched Euro-stars of his day. I wonder if Rubio's agent will allow him to play in workouts with other prospects. I would expect his agent to ask for the same special workouts that Rose (I'm pretty sure that he had a special workout), Gallinari, and others had last year.

A decision to refuse to do workouts with other prospects doesn't make Rubio any less of a prospect.

Posted by Pharzeone:


Agents, may try to take the approach that their clients won't be working out against competition until they find out that their stock is falling. Bayless is the prime example of that last season. Watching players like Griffin go against somebody else is a little useless since most scouts and GMs had plenty of opportunities to scout them in games for years. That is the difference from drafting a known prospect vs. an unknown.