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4/13/2009  4:56 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Bippity - nice observations on jump shot fundamentals. I would offer that beyond the mechanical things, how The Mayor decides to invest his time this Summer could be a critical decision for his career.

He can either ask Greg Brittenham for a customized workout plan, call Tim Grover, Billy Blanks and get a copy of the gym key to Greenburgh on the down low...

... or hang out in Chicago with da fellas and hit the malls.

I vote for the former.

I have nothing but confidence that he will work hard this summer. He obviously put in time last summer and I'm hopeful that this will continue.
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4/13/2009  6:59 PM
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Joe Pesci: (to Cosmic) "The defense rests..."

"In His Quiet Way, Chandler Has Emerged as a Knicks Star"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/14/sports/basketball/14knicks.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

"...Through 81 games, including 69 starts, Chandler is averaging 14.4 points and 5.4 rebounds. He has come on strong down the stretch, averaging 18.8 points and 5.5 rebounds in April.

Chandler has guarded every position on the court and can play offensively at shooting guard or either forward spot. He is regarded as the Knicks’ best post defender and one of their top perimeter defenders.

Perhaps most critically, Chandler is under contract beyond 2010, making him one of the Knicks’ few reliable building blocks.

“He’s a great kid that works hard, and I really think he has a chance” to become a star, D’Antoni said. “That will depend on him and his work that he puts in the summertime.”

NOW FOR THE ABSOLUTE BEST PART

"The encouraging news on that front is that Chandler plans to spend the off-season in New York working with the coaching staff."

“You tell him something and you can see he goes right on the floor and tries to incorporate it in his game,” D’Antoni said. “We have to be real careful about telling him something, because he’ll literally do what we tell him.”

Off the court, Chandler is easily the most reserved Knick — the yin to Robinson’s yang. He speaks the same way he plays, with a quiet confidence but no detectable swagger.

“I still got a long way to go,” Chandler said in a typically soft tone.

Chandler seemed deeply appreciative of D’Antoni’s high praise, but he said: “At the same time, I’m kind of nervous because of him looking at me like that. It’s like I got to do a lot this summer to get a whole lot better.”

Now, someone please, please...PLEASE ...tell me what's not to like?

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4/13/2009  7:08 PM
I think some people rather he does Marbury type of interviews. I really do. I know for sure Berman does as he stated Chandler is so boring.
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4/13/2009  7:12 PM
i like the fact that Chandler lets his play on the court do all his talking for him... no need to stand & showboat after making a play & be an attention whore like some other players on this team, or to act like a complete knucklehead off the court like Knuckleheadbury... there's nothing soft about Wilson's game... he takes it strong to the hole & isn't afraid to get up on a guy on D or to stuff his shot attempt... just cuz he's not beating his chest & pounding his forehead with his fists after he makes a dunk or a 3 doesn't make him any less of a player.
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4/13/2009  9:06 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Chandler seemed deeply appreciative of D’Antoni, but he said: “At the same time, I’m kind of nervous because of him looking at me like that. It’s like I got to do a lot to get a lot.”

Now, someone please, please...PLEASE ...tell me what's not to like?

i didn't like it when steph had an illicit relationship with his coach, and i don't like it any better with wilson.
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4/13/2009  9:12 PM
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4/14/2009  3:21 PM
Chandler -- A good player, but probably not as good as Gerald Wilkins.

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4/14/2009  3:58 PM
Posted by oohah:

Chandler -- A good player, but probably not as good as Gerald Wilkins.

oohah

u gotta be kidding me... u don't see Wilson as even on the same level as a 13 & 3 career player? dude he's already putting up better stats than that now & he's only 21... the best season G Wilkins ever had was his 2nd year when he put up 19 & 4 & he was all downhill from then on... u think Chandler will never improve on his 2nd year's stats too?

[Edited by - TMS on 04-14-2009 12:59 PM]
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4/14/2009  4:11 PM
Posted by TMS:

u gotta be kidding me... u don't see Wilson as even on the same level as a 13 & 3 career player? dude he's already putting up better stats than that now & he's only 21... the best season G Wilkins ever had was his 2nd year when he put up 19 & 4 & he was all downhill from then on... u think Chandler will never improve on his 2nd year's stats too?

[Edited by - TMS on 04-14-2009 12:59 PM]

Gerald Wilkins career spanned 13 years. In his last few years he barely played after rupturing his achilles tendon. so that skews his averages.
dude he's already putting up better stats than that now & he's only 21...

Look at Wilkins first couple of years as a pro: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wilkige01.html

Wilkins rookie numbers were comparable to Chandlers second year numbers but more consistent shooting wise than Wilson Chandler as a second year player. In Wilkins' second year he averaged almost 20 PPG and shot nearly 50%, not to mention he averaged double the assists and also had more steals.

If Chandler put up those kind of numbers in his second year guys on this board would be tagging him as the next Mitch Richmond.

Chandler has show nothing to make one think he is going to be a true star. You want another example? Look at Kendall gill: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gillke01.html 20 PPG as a second year player. The list goes on. Chandler has potential and he will be a good player but I see nothing that shows he will be a true star. As a matter of fact when his athleticism wanes he'll probably shift into being average just like all the other SFs he resembles.

So to answer your question, no I am not kidding you.

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[Edited by - oohah on 14-04-2009 4:11 PM]
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4/14/2009  4:12 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by TMS:

u gotta be kidding me... u don't see Wilson as even on the same level as a 13 & 3 career player? dude he's already putting up better stats than that now & he's only 21... the best season G Wilkins ever had was his 2nd year when he put up 19 & 4 & he was all downhill from then on... u think Chandler will never improve on his 2nd year's stats too?

[Edited by - TMS on 04-14-2009 12:59 PM]

Gerald Wilkins career spanned 13 years. In his last few years he barely played after rupturing his achilles tendon. so that skews his averages.
dude he's already putting up better stats than that now & he's only 21...

Look at Wilkins first couple of years as a pro: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wilkige01.html

Wilkins rookie numbers were comparable to Chandlers second year numbers but more consistent shooting wise than Wilson Chandler as a second year player. In Wilkins' second year he averaged almost 20 PPG and shot nearly 50%, not to mention he averaged double the assists and also had more steals.

If Chandler put up those kind of numbers in his second year guys would be tagging him as the next Mitch Richmond.

Chandler has show nothing to make one think he is going to be a true star. You want another example? Look at Kendall gill: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gillke01.html 20 PPG as a second year player. The list goes on. Chandler has potential and he will be a good player but I see nothing that shows he will be a true star. As a matter of fact when his athleticism wanes he'll probably shift into being average just like all the other SFs he resembles.

So to answer your question, no I am not kidding you.

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But the real question is.. will you hang your ass out about this?
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4/14/2009  4:13 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:


But the real question is.. will you hang your ass out about this?

My opinion is hardly = ass-hang. Saying he will be a star is the ass hang.

You want an ass-hang? ramon Sessions will be an all-star in the next 2-3 season.

There you is!

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4/14/2009  4:21 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by nyk4ever:


But the real question is.. will you hang your ass out about this?

My opinion is hardly = ass-hang. Saying he will be a star is the ass hang.

You want an ass-hang? ramon Sessions will be an all-star in the next 2-3 season.

There you is!

oohah

but again, Wilkins peaked after his 2nd season & it was all downhill from there... all he was really was a 14 & 4 type player overall even during his better years w/the Knicks, pretty much what Chandler is right now, & u gotta figure Chandler's on his way up from the marked improvement he showed from the year prior... sure he can peak next year just like G Wilkins but i am gonna assume that over the course of his career he's gonna be a better player than G Wilkins... i don't think that's much of an ass hang either... no one said Chandler's a star, only that he had the potential to be one.
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4/14/2009  4:39 PM
let me get this straight... because guys like Kendall Gill & Gerald Wilkins levelled off after their 2nd years in the NBA means that Wilson Chandler will also follow suit... as if there aren't other examples people can dredge up of players who didn't peak until their 3rd, 4th or even 5th season in the NBA that could be used to counter your examples... this is almost as bad as BRIGGS saying Gallo will be no better than Boki Nachbar based on YouTube clips & weren't u all over his case for casting such premature assumptions? (or was that someone else?

ur entitled to feel that Wilson doesn't have the upside that some of us think he does obviously but there's just as much a shot that Chandler's career can mirror that of someone like Caron Butler as there is those examples u'r bringing up here... in fact i'd say physically that Chandler resembles Butler a lot more than he does those guys you're talking about, who really were only 6'5" SG's w/much slighter builds & weighed like a full 30 lbs lighter than Chandler to boot... in Chandler u'r talking about a 6'8" 220 lb 21 yo kid who can easily put on more bulk as his career progresses... very similar in athletic ability & build to Caron Butler physically, much more so than either of your examples, & Butler didn't fully peak until his 6th full season in the NBA... i think it's fair to say most people would consider him a star calibre SF in the NBA... why can't we imagine Chandler to be able to possibly reach that level someday? because he's so obviously not possessive of what quality exactly? the kid can score in the post, the kid can hit the midrange J, he can create his own shot off the dribble, has range beyond the 3 pt arc, he can take it strong to the hole & finish, he runs the floor well, he defends, he blocks shots... the only thing he's lacking right now is consistency, which most young players lack at his age.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-14-2009 1:42 PM]
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4/14/2009  4:57 PM
Posted by TMS:

let me get this straight... because guys like Kendall Gill & Gerald Wilkins levelled off after their 2nd years in the NBA means that Wilson Chandler will also follow suit... as if there aren't other examples people can dredge up of players who didn't peak until their 3rd, 4th or even 5th season in the NBA that could be used to counter your examples... this is almost as bad as BRIGGS saying Gallo will be no better than Boki Nachbar based on YouTube clips & weren't u all over his case for casting such premature assumptions? (or was that someone else?

ur entitled to feel that Wilson doesn't have the upside that some of us think he does obviously but there's just as much a shot that Chandler's career can mirror that of someone like Caron Butler as there is those examples u'r bringing up here... in fact i'd say physically that Chandler resembles Butler a lot more than he does those guys you're talking about, who really were only 6'5" SG's w/much slighter builds & weighed like a full 30 lbs lighter than Chandler to boot... in Chandler u'r talking about a 6'8" 220 lb 21 yo kid who can easily put on more bulk as his career progresses... very similar in athletic ability & build to Caron Butler physically, much more so than either of your examples, & Butler didn't fully peak until his 6th full season in the NBA... i think it's fair to say most people would consider him a star calibre SF in the NBA... why can't we imagine Chandler to be able to possibly reach that level someday? because he's so obviously not possessive of what quality exactly? the kid can score in the post, the kid can hit the midrange J, he can create his own shot off the dribble, has range beyond the 3 pt arc, he can take it strong to the hole & finish, he runs the floor well, he defends, he blocks shots... the only thing he's lacking right now is consistency, which most young players lack at his age.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-14-2009 1:42 PM]

Personally I think Chandler peaked last year.
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Posted by TMS:

let me get this straight... because guys like Kendall Gill & Gerald Wilkins levelled off after their 2nd years in the NBA means that Wilson Chandler will also follow suit... as if there aren't other examples people can dredge up of players who didn't peak until their 3rd, 4th or even 5th season in the NBA that could be used to counter your examples... this is almost as bad as BRIGGS saying Gallo will be no better than Boki Nachbar based on YouTube clips & weren't u all over his case for casting such premature assumptions? (or was that someone else?

ur entitled to feel that Wilson doesn't have the upside that some of us think he does obviously but there's just as much a shot that Chandler's career can mirror that of someone like Caron Butler as there is those examples u'r bringing up here... in fact i'd say physically that Chandler resembles Butler a lot more than he does those guys you're talking about, who really were only 6'5" SG's w/much slighter builds & weighed like a full 30 lbs lighter than Chandler to boot... in Chandler u'r talking about a 6'8" 220 lb 21 yo kid who can easily put on more bulk as his career progresses... very similar in athletic ability & build to Caron Butler physically, much more so than either of your examples, & Butler didn't fully peak until his 6th full season in the NBA... i think it's fair to say most people would consider him a star calibre SF in the NBA... why can't we imagine Chandler to be able to possibly reach that level someday? because he's so obviously not possessive of what quality exactly? the kid can score in the post, the kid can hit the midrange J, he can create his own shot off the dribble, has range beyond the 3 pt arc, he can take it strong to the hole & finish, he runs the floor well, he defends, he blocks shots... the only thing he's lacking right now is consistency, which most young players lack at his age.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-14-2009 1:42 PM]

I am not basing my opinion about Chandler on: "Because it went like this for X player it will go like that for Chandler." I am basing it on what I see from him and juxtaposing it with similar players who were much more productive early in their careers and did not blossom into stars.

~Chandler has to reach the peak of a Gill or Wilkins before we start talking about him leveling off like them.

~Chandler is playing on a very bad team that sports the biggest offensive numbers system in the game with his slightly better than average numbers and a poor shooting percentage. (Wilkins played in a similar system in his early years under Pitino except that team played defense.) Slide Chandler over to Portland and he is 3rd string behind Outlaw racking up DNPs and averaging 7 points.

~Caron Butler is a far more talented, skilled, and complete player than Chandler at both the college and pro levels, I would hope you would agree with that.

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4/14/2009  5:31 PM
~Caron Butler is a far more talented, skilled, and complete player than Chandler at both the college and pro levels, I would hope you would agree with that.

obviously i agree... he's also a full 8 years older than Wilson w/a ton more NBA experience... Butler came into the NBA his rookie season a year older than Wilson is now & put up pretty comparable numbers to what Wilson's putting up this year, in fact Chandler is shooting a higher % from the field & beyond the 3 pt arc than Butler did when he was a year older... physically like i pointed out they're much closer in comparison to either of the examples u chose... so yes, i think it's a very fair comparison to hold for Wilson Chandler's potential upside... whether he gets there or not is anyone's guess, but all the numbers seem to point to the fact that the potential is definitely there.
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Posted by TMS:
~Caron Butler is a far more talented, skilled, and complete player than Chandler at both the college and pro levels, I would hope you would agree with that.

obviously i agree... he's also a full 8 years older than Wilson w/a ton more NBA experience... Butler came into the NBA his rookie season a year older than Wilson is now & put up pretty comparable numbers to what Wilson's putting up this year, in fact Chandler is shooting a higher % from the field & beyond the 3 pt arc than Butler did when he was a year older... physically like i pointed out they're much closer in comparison to either of the examples u chose... so yes, i think it's a very fair comparison to hold for Wilson Chandler's potential upside... whether he gets there or not is anyone's guess, but all the numbers seem to point to the fact that the potential is definitely there.

I agree that Chandler is loaded with potential. My point is that the NBA is crawling with guys like that. Gerald Wilkins was an incredible athlete as was Gill and is Travis Outlaw. I would put them all a couple of notches above Chandler on athletic ability and skill even though he is physically bigger and stronger than they were.

I guess my point is that even though Chandler is a nice prospect, he is just that. I am not anointing to him to be the "next guy" to hold down any given position for the next 5 years. I would be open to trading him for the right deal.

It's so hard to judge guys at his position especially when they are young. They are loaded with basketball talent but as teams get to know what they can do they have to be able to grow. My biggest question about Chandler is his mental approach to the game. He could easily end up as an Al Harrington, a talented chucker. I want to see some more subtlety from him: a nice pass, a brainy play that does not rely on his youthful legs, not just calling his own number all the time.

But as you said he is young!

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4/14/2009  5:44 PM
By the way, as you alluded to, Butler looked like he was going to be a disappointment after his first couple of years. He was a fantastic college payer, much better than Chandler was. At some point Butler just "got it". But it took 3 teams for that to happen.

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4/14/2009  5:48 PM
he'd be the last guy i'd trade on this team if it came down to it, but i'd trade him in the right deal too... i'm not married to his potential either, but it's been a while since we've had a player who plays on both sides of the ball as well as he does at such a young age around here... Gerald Wilkins may or may not be his upside but unless there was a really nice deal out there for us to make i wouldn't include Chandler in any deals that didn't net us an already established star calibre player in his prime... i just like the way he goes about his business & i think he's gonna be a Knick for a long time personally.
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4/14/2009  5:50 PM
I think Caron proved his haters right this season. With Arenas finally out of the picture, Caron successfully managed to get his team to the worst record in the league. I wouldn't touch Butler or Jamison right now with a ten foot pole. Arenas fans rejoice, that team really missed you. The funny thing about Butler, he has little Marbury thing going on. His former teams seem to do better after he is traded.
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