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2/23/2009  4:06 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Whats best for Gallo would be to add weight and strength. That should be more important then him getting playing time right now at this point. If he is on a pure protein & weight lifting diet and practicing with the team while resting during game days that would be fine with me. While 15min a game is nice. 15mins isn't going to develop Gallo's skills. Its the hours he puts in during practice which is what is going to develop him.

Weight lifting, back to basket game, handling, is what he should be doing close to every day for hours.

adding weight to a bad back is not a good idea.
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2/23/2009  4:11 PM
wow... people really get worked up over a kid that still has baby fat... he'll be fine, just give him time.
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2/23/2009  4:12 PM
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Posted by TMS:
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The point from draft day on was that we lost out on better players that fit more pressing needs than Gallinari. There is still a lot of veracity when it comes to that viewpoint. But who cares who people on this board wanted, the distressing part is that the guy being paid millions to make that decision made the selection that he did. All after saying that they couldn't afford to screw up the pick.

no, the point is that those of you who've had a closed mind about Gallo from before you even watched him play a single game are not giving him even half the leeway to develop & mature that you are for other players in the same draft class because you're so damn enthused to throw the I Told You So card in our faces at every single opportunity.

How is that when we want to see Gallinari get minutes to help him develop and mature...like...

must..not...mention...Lopez...or Gordon...

I Told...must...stop...

That's what I don't get. I myself was against his selection but at no time did I say I don't want to see him play or develop. I was calling at the beginning of the season to give him more minutes particularly Q's minutes. He is the 6th pick on a team that went 23-59 last year. IMHO, he doesn't have to sit behind any of these guys. I applauded D'Antoni when he said the guy was going to start. I said about time. I think everyone said the same thing. Hell Walsh said he wanted the guy to get major minutes on draft nite and that makes sense. To watch him collect a DNP last game is a big head scratcher for me especially for a guy who hadn't played much basketball himself over the last year.
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2/23/2009  4:12 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

The point from draft day on was that we lost out on better players that fit more pressing needs than Gallinari. There is still a lot of veracity when it comes to that viewpoint. But who cares who people on this board wanted, the distressing part is that the guy being paid millions to make that decision made the selection that he did. All after saying that they couldn't afford to screw up the pick.

no, the point is that those of you who've had a closed mind about Gallo from before you even watched him play a single game are not giving him even half the leeway to develop & mature that you are for other players in the same draft class because you're so damn enthused to throw the I Told You So card in our faces at every single opportunity.

How is that when we want to see Gallinari get minutes to help him develop and mature...like...

must..not...mention...Lopez...or Gordon...

I Told...must...stop...

gimme a break w/the minutes argument, that wasn't even an issue before yesterday's game for you guys... now all of a sudden Gallo's minutes is your main concern when u were calling him a guaranteed bust regardless of the minutes he's playing the day before.

Well that's where it's about the player and not about the pick. You can't just wait til Summer League to develop him. On a rebuilding team there's no reason why he shouldn't be getting minutes. Shit or get off the pot.
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2/23/2009  4:13 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

wow... people really get worked up over a kid that still has baby fat... he'll be fine, just give him time.

MDA took his time away. That is the one thing he doesn't have.
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2/23/2009  4:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Whats best for Gallo would be to add weight and strength. That should be more important then him getting playing time right now at this point. If he is on a pure protein & weight lifting diet and practicing with the team while resting during game days that would be fine with me. While 15min a game is nice. 15mins isn't going to develop Gallo's skills. Its the hours he puts in during practice which is what is going to develop him.

Weight lifting, back to basket game, handling, is what he should be doing close to every day for hours.

adding weight to a bad back is not a good idea.

If his back is that bad in which adding weight will hurt him then he's screwed.
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2/23/2009  4:17 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

The point from draft day on was that we lost out on better players that fit more pressing needs than Gallinari. There is still a lot of veracity when it comes to that viewpoint. But who cares who people on this board wanted, the distressing part is that the guy being paid millions to make that decision made the selection that he did. All after saying that they couldn't afford to screw up the pick.

no, the point is that those of you who've had a closed mind about Gallo from before you even watched him play a single game are not giving him even half the leeway to develop & mature that you are for other players in the same draft class because you're so damn enthused to throw the I Told You So card in our faces at every single opportunity.

How is that when we want to see Gallinari get minutes to help him develop and mature...like...

must..not...mention...Lopez...or Gordon...

I Told...must...stop...

gimme a break w/the minutes argument, that wasn't even an issue before yesterday's game for you guys... now all of a sudden Gallo's minutes is your main concern when u were calling him a guaranteed bust regardless of the minutes he's playing the day before.

TMS, he went from getting minutes to a DNP. That's a huge contrast. Whether he or he isn't a bust is another matter. This hold true for any player based on a high selection whether it be Sweetney, Frye or Gallinari. These guys weren't drafted in the late first round or 2nd round. These guys are lotto picks. I might add earned lottery picks at that. It is only logical you would expect them to see some real playing time.
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2/23/2009  4:19 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

wow... people really get worked up over a kid that still has baby fat... he'll be fine, just give him time.

MDA took his time away. That is the one thing he doesn't have.


I think Gallo has plenty of time. I think we as fans for whatever reason don't want to wait for the boys testicles to drop... he's learning a new culture, a new style of basketball, and can't even get hammered with fishmike yet.

What we do know is his body will develop into a NBA body and he has a great stroke. He also has some uncommon skills for a big man. He's also got some major holes in his game. If he gets time to develop his full array of talents, as well as the necessary time to physically develop, I think he'll become a very good player.

Just remember how frustrated people were with Dirk... and Dirk looked like a bitch that had a sweet stroke. Maybe it's unfair to compare Gallo with Dirk, but there are enough similarities that makes the situation encouraging
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2/23/2009  4:21 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

TMS, he went from getting minutes to a DNP. That's a huge contrast. Whether he or he isn't a bust is another matter. This hold true for any player based on a high selection whether it be Sweetney, Frye or Gallinari. These guys weren't drafted in the late first round or 2nd round. These guys are lotto picks. I might add earned lottery picks at that. It is only logical you would expect them to see some real playing time.

it was 1 game... if this continues for a while, it will be time to be concerned... 1 game... put it into perspective... 1... game.

i already showed u how Gallo's minutes have stacked up to those others BRIGGS listed who were supposedly seeing such big minutes on the teams they're playing on... Gallo's right in the middle of the pack... i don't see much to complain about... he's gone from not being able to play, to averaging 10 mpg his first couple games, to now averaging 15 for the season... he's not gonna be DNP'd for the rest of the year because of Hughes... stop overreacting to 1 game.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-23-2009 1:24 PM]
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2/23/2009  4:22 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Whats best for Gallo would be to add weight and strength. That should be more important then him getting playing time right now at this point. If he is on a pure protein & weight lifting diet and practicing with the team while resting during game days that would be fine with me. While 15min a game is nice. 15mins isn't going to develop Gallo's skills. Its the hours he puts in during practice which is what is going to develop him.

Weight lifting, back to basket game, handling, is what he should be doing close to every day for hours.

Sure, let's make him what he's not.

This whole, "all he needs to do is get stronger" is such a fallacy.

1. That's not his game.

2. It could mess up what is his game and that's a face the basket perimeter shooter.

3. It's not going to help his slowness of foot or stiff legs.

4. It could lead to further problems with his back.

Besides, he's not that thin. Kevin Durant is twice as thin as Gallinari is and that hasn't stopped him.
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2/23/2009  4:24 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

wow... people really get worked up over a kid that still has baby fat... he'll be fine, just give him time.

MDA took his time away. That is the one thing he doesn't have.


I think Gallo has plenty of time. I think we as fans for whatever reason don't want to wait for the boys testicles to drop... he's learning a new culture, a new style of basketball, and can't even get hammered with fishmike yet.

What we do know is his body will develop into a NBA body and he has a great stroke. He also has some uncommon skills for a big man. He's also got some major holes in his game. If he gets time to develop his full array of talents, as well as the necessary time to physically develop, I think he'll become a very good player.

Just remember how frustrated people were with Dirk... and Dirk looked like a bitch that had a sweet stroke. Maybe it's unfair to compare Gallo with Dirk, but there are enough similarities that makes the situation encouraging

Here's where the Dirk comparisons must end. No matter how you think Dirk would develop. He got significant minutes as a rookie. He took his share of bumps and bruises during that time. Nelson didn't mess with his minutes or held him back for the sake of the team's immediate future. You can check but I as recall from his interview he got more than 18 mpg his rookie season and he wasn't even drafted as high as Gallinari.
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2/23/2009  4:25 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

TMS, he went from getting minutes to a DNP. That's a huge contrast. Whether he or he isn't a bust is another matter. This hold true for any player based on a high selection whether it be Sweetney, Frye or Gallinari. These guys weren't drafted in the late first round or 2nd round. These guys are lotto picks. I might add earned lottery picks at that. It is only logical you would expect them to see some real playing time.

it was 1 game... if this continues for a while, it will be time to be concerned... 1 game... put it into perspective... 1... game.

i already showed u how Gallo's minutes have stacked up to those others BRIGGS listed who were supposedly seeing such big minutes on the teams they're playing on... Gallo's right in the middle of the pack... i don't see much to complain about... he's gone from not being able to play, to averaging 10 mpg his first couple games, to now averaging 15 for the season... he's not gonna be DNP'd for the rest of the year because of Hughes... stop overreacting to 1 game.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-23-2009 1:24 PM]

This makes sense. I will go with the argument that D'Antoni wanted to play with his new toys as I said in the game thread but he then followed it up with the pecking order comment which worries me that this is beginning of things to come and Gallinari has now found himself on the bottom end of that order.
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2/23/2009  4:28 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Whats best for Gallo would be to add weight and strength. That should be more important then him getting playing time right now at this point. If he is on a pure protein & weight lifting diet and practicing with the team while resting during game days that would be fine with me. While 15min a game is nice. 15mins isn't going to develop Gallo's skills. Its the hours he puts in during practice which is what is going to develop him.

Weight lifting, back to basket game, handling, is what he should be doing close to every day for hours.

Sure, let's make him what he's not.

This whole, "all he needs to do is get stronger" is such a fallacy.

1. That's not his game.

2. It could mess up what is his game and that's a face the basket perimeter shooter.

3. It's not going to help his slowness of foot or stiff legs.

4. It could lead to further problems with his back.

Besides, he's not that thin. Kevin Durant is twice as thin as Gallinari is and that hasn't stopped him.

Yeah, the weightlifting thing maybe need to put to rest after his handlers in Italy said that's not him and his body isn't meant to do that when they blamed the organization for making Gallinari lift weights summer league camp as the reason for his back problems. D'Antoni took exception to that and said look at him does it look like he lifted any weights.
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Dirk got 20 mpg his rookie season & averaged 8 points & 2 rebounds... if Gallo were to average those same #'s in 20 mpg this year would that change ur opinions about him? i seriously doubt it... he's steadily been progressing in minutes played all year... this was 1 single game where he got a DNP... if he gets DNP'd for a stretch of several games in a row then it's damn well time to be concerned, but not now... relax, take a chill & go browse the Alba thread.
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2/23/2009  4:29 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

The point from draft day on was that we lost out on better players that fit more pressing needs than Gallinari. There is still a lot of veracity when it comes to that viewpoint. But who cares who people on this board wanted, the distressing part is that the guy being paid millions to make that decision made the selection that he did. All after saying that they couldn't afford to screw up the pick.

no, the point is that those of you who've had a closed mind about Gallo from before you even watched him play a single game are not giving him even half the leeway to develop & mature that you are for other players in the same draft class because you're so damn enthused to throw the I Told You So card in our faces at every single opportunity.

How is that when we want to see Gallinari get minutes to help him develop and mature...like...

must..not...mention...Lopez...or Gordon...

I Told...must...stop...

gimme a break w/the minutes argument, that wasn't even an issue before yesterday's game for you guys... now all of a sudden Gallo's minutes is your main concern when u were calling him a guaranteed bust regardless of the minutes he's playing the day before.

TMS, he went from getting minutes to a DNP. That's a huge contrast. Whether he or he isn't a bust is another matter. This hold true for any player based on a high selection whether it be Sweetney, Frye or Gallinari. These guys weren't drafted in the late first round or 2nd round. These guys are lotto picks. I might add earned lottery picks at that. It is only logical you would expect them to see some real playing time.

Islesfan was ready to give away our lottery pick in order to unload Zach Randolph and made huge argument about it. We wouldn't have gotten Gallo, Lopez, Gordan, etc... under what Islesfan wanted to do. Now all of a sudden he cares about our lottery pick.

Instead of being happy about us unloading Randolph without having to unload our pick. He instead is looking to complain about who we picked with the #6. When again he was willing to give away our #6 to unload Randolph.

Its all BS, just something to complain about that what he does.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TMS:
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TMS, he went from getting minutes to a DNP. That's a huge contrast. Whether he or he isn't a bust is another matter. This hold true for any player based on a high selection whether it be Sweetney, Frye or Gallinari. These guys weren't drafted in the late first round or 2nd round. These guys are lotto picks. I might add earned lottery picks at that. It is only logical you would expect them to see some real playing time.

it was 1 game... if this continues for a while, it will be time to be concerned... 1 game... put it into perspective... 1... game.

i already showed u how Gallo's minutes have stacked up to those others BRIGGS listed who were supposedly seeing such big minutes on the teams they're playing on... Gallo's right in the middle of the pack... i don't see much to complain about... he's gone from not being able to play, to averaging 10 mpg his first couple games, to now averaging 15 for the season... he's not gonna be DNP'd for the rest of the year because of Hughes... stop overreacting to 1 game.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-23-2009 1:24 PM]

This makes sense. I will go with the argument that D'Antoni wanted to play with his new toys as I said in the game thread but he then followed it up with the pecking order comment which worries me that this is beginning of things to come and Gallinari has now found himself on the bottom end of that order.

i dunno what exactly he meant by that but i interpret it as saying Gallo hasn't yet paid his dues so he couldn't just have 1 of the veterans sit right away... he wants a little time to assess how he wants to incorporate the new guys... i don't think MDA plans on sitting Gallo for the rest of the season.
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Posted by TMS:

Dirk got 20 mpg his rookie season & averaged 8 points & 2 rebounds... if Gallo were to average those same #'s in 20 mpg this year would that change ur opinions about him? i seriously doubt it... he's steadily been progressing in minutes played all year... this was 1 single game where he got a DNP... if he gets DNP'd for a stretch of several games in a row then it's damn well time to be concerned, but not now... relax, take a chill & go browse the Alba thread.

All those people comparing Gallinari to Dirk, and there are a lot of you, are going to be really disappointed when he doesn't come close to being that type of player.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

Dirk got 20 mpg his rookie season & averaged 8 points & 2 rebounds... if Gallo were to average those same #'s in 20 mpg this year would that change ur opinions about him? i seriously doubt it... he's steadily been progressing in minutes played all year... this was 1 single game where he got a DNP... if he gets DNP'd for a stretch of several games in a row then it's damn well time to be concerned, but not now... relax, take a chill & go browse the Alba thread.

All those people comparing Gallinari to Dirk, and there are a lot of you, are going to be really disappointed when he doesn't come close to being that type of player.

i personally see more Kukoc than Dirk but i can see why people might wanna go to the best possible scenario comparison.
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Posted by TMS:

Dirk got 20 mpg his rookie season & averaged 8 points & 2 rebounds... if Gallo were to average those same #'s in 20 mpg this year would that change ur opinions about him? i seriously doubt it... he's steadily been progressing in minutes played all year... this was 1 single game where he got a DNP... if he gets DNP'd for a stretch of several games in a row then it's damn well time to be concerned, but not now... relax, take a chill & go browse the Alba thread.

Dirk is a poor rebounder for a guy his size. Nothing new there and always been a point of debate when discussing him particularly for MVP a couple of seasons ago. I don't think criticism of a player's game ever really stop. My point is that as bad as he looked he got the minutes. But like you said it is one game, so we'll see.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

wow... people really get worked up over a kid that still has baby fat... he'll be fine, just give him time.

MDA took his time away. That is the one thing he doesn't have.


I think Gallo has plenty of time. I think we as fans for whatever reason don't want to wait for the boys testicles to drop... he's learning a new culture, a new style of basketball, and can't even get hammered with fishmike yet.

What we do know is his body will develop into a NBA body and he has a great stroke. He also has some uncommon skills for a big man. He's also got some major holes in his game. If he gets time to develop his full array of talents, as well as the necessary time to physically develop, I think he'll become a very good player.

Just remember how frustrated people were with Dirk... and Dirk looked like a bitch that had a sweet stroke. Maybe it's unfair to compare Gallo with Dirk, but there are enough similarities that makes the situation encouraging

Here's where the Dirk comparisons must end. No matter how you think Dirk would develop. He got significant minutes as a rookie. He took his share of bumps and bruises during that time. Nelson didn't mess with his minutes or held him back for the sake of the team's immediate future. You can check but I as recall from his interview he got more than 18 mpg his rookie season and he wasn't even drafted as high as Gallinari.

I agree that Gallo needs to play in order to achieve any great status... but I do think that he should have to earn his minutes. But he's got some holes in his game and sometimes tough love is the best way to get that point across
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