The kid is a chicken with his head cut off when he is on the court.

Posted by martin:

it's weird to me that Q gets a lot of looks from the outside but Gallo does not. Is Q on the weakside of the offense?

I think Q is more aggressive. I think he moves better without the ball and when he gets it he shoots it. I think Gallo is still trying to play within some sort of offense and also does not move well without the ball.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by martin:

it's weird to me that Q gets a lot of looks from the outside but Gallo does not. Is Q on the weakside of the offense?

I think Q is more aggressive. I think he moves better without the ball and when he gets it he shoots it. I think Gallo is still trying to play within some sort of offense and also does not move well without the ball.

yeah agreed. Trying to fit in only after a handful of games is tough. There have been times where both Nate and Duhon had the opportunity to pass to a fairly wide open Gallo or a hot hand and chose the later. We shall see.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by martin:

it's weird to me that Q gets a lot of looks from the outside but Gallo does not. Is Q on the weakside of the offense?

I think Q is more aggressive. I think he moves better without the ball and when he gets it he shoots it. I think Gallo is still trying to play within some sort of offense and also does not move well without the ball.

yeah agreed. Trying to fit in only after a handful of games is tough. There have been times where both Nate and Duhon had the opportunity to pass to a fairly wide open Gallo or a hot hand and chose the later. We shall see.

I think you can blame both sides. Nate is a horrible passer so Gallo isn't getting the ball regularly when he runs the point. Duhon gets fixated on the play being run, and rarely finds another option. Gallo plays the weakside like marbs plays the weakside. He stands there and waits for things to happen. He rarely slides or moves off penetration. He makes himself an easy guard by standing in one spot. It's all around ineptitude.

That being said, our PG's have to be better at leading and make sure the ball gets in the hands of the shooter. I don't know if that means being better passers or teaching him how to move or yelling at him to quit being lazy. whatever it is, there really is no reason why a guy like him is not getting shots in our offense.

Posted by TMS:

14 games & he needs to be an impact player by now... unreal.

I want to see some signs though. A glimpse once or twice just to remind us that it's there. Haven't seen that at all. That's why I'm concerned now.

JJ Redick doesn't miss either.

It's a little troubling that he just floats and doesn't look to be aggressive. This is a great draft class and I don't think the knicks were aggressive enough to really make a difference in their future.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

You Pollyanna's act like us hatters are expecting Gallinari to be dominating. Far from it. We just want to see some of the game that we heard he had, other than being able to shoot the ball like most euros. Or maybe you guys think it should take months to show that he can dribble a basketball.

which are the other euros over 6'9" who shoot nearly 50% from the field? And we have seen Gallo put the ball on the floor and hit baskets too.

Well I'm not going to use his shooting pct because it's such a small sample but Euro bigmen who can shoot isn't exactly a new phenomenon.

Come on Martin, you honestly think that Gallinari has shown a good handle or the ability to create his own shot?

Gallo ain't shooting layups out there, they are mostly 3 pointers.

Don't you think it's weird that on one hand you won't use his shooting pct because it's such a small sample and yet you want to make ANY type of comparison with Gallo? The dude has played 15 games and you are labeling him a bust. You can't have it both ways.

You claim that he is like any other big Euro. What were Dirks stats after 15 games? How about any other perimeter big man over 6'9"? Pick a few if you want to make a comparison. Or just keep trolling along.

Posted by Ira:

Doesn't it seem that whenever the kid has a couple of good games, some people are comparing him to Bird and Nowitzki. Then when he has a couple of bad ones, some others say he's a bust.

Yup....Pretty ridiculous

Posted by Pharzeone:

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You wanted Anthony Randolph, that is who you would have picked at #6. If Anthony Randolph is allowed a 3yr window in order to develop then Gallo should be given that same time frame. In order to develop his strength and game just like you stated with Randolph.

Its obvious that Gallo is a player that is better with the ball in his hands. Thats where his skill set shines. Its also obvious that he needs to add more strength. When they start putting the ball in his hands more that would be a better time to judge him.

How is it obvious? I keep hearing this. If you don't do something then it can't be obvious. Saying what someone is able to do is not the same as a person actually peforming the ability. He drove on a couple occassions but I seem to remember only 3 where he had success driving (actually only two where he dunk and last nite), the other times he was either called for traveling or was foul. What is obvious so far is that he can shoot from long range and he dunk a little. I notice he is a ok help defensive player and a terrible man to man defensive player. What is obvious is that he doesn't have a quick first step off the dribble and if he is played tight, he has trouble getting off a shot and taking his man of the dribble. When pointing out stats the only thing that is pointed to is his shooting and normally his long range shooting. Patience to determine what? He was sold as a guy who isn't a potential project like a Randolph or Jordan. He got hurt and now is healthy if you believe him and the Knicks. The guy is on a rookie contract not a long term 6 year contract. After next season the Knick have to determine if they even want to pick up his contract. This ain't the old CBA where a rookie is allowed to develop on a guarantee long term contract.
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You took what I said wrong. I wasn't talking as if Gallo got the ball in his hands that he was going to start putting up big points at this point. His skill set and arsenal comes from the ball in his hands. As of right now he has been having trouble getting by his defenders with the ball in his hands which has regulated him to being a spot up shooter at this point. Its not until he is able to start getting his shot off off the dribble that he is going to really show off his offensive skills and talent.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

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You wanted Anthony Randolph, that is who you would have picked at #6. If Anthony Randolph is allowed a 3yr window in order to develop then Gallo should be given that same time frame. In order to develop his strength and game just like you stated with Randolph.

Its obvious that Gallo is a player that is better with the ball in his hands. Thats where his skill set shines. Its also obvious that he needs to add more strength. When they start putting the ball in his hands more that would be a better time to judge him.

How is it obvious? I keep hearing this. If you don't do something then it can't be obvious. Saying what someone is able to do is not the same as a person actually peforming the ability. He drove on a couple occassions but I seem to remember only 3 where he had success driving (actually only two where he dunk and last nite), the other times he was either called for traveling or was foul. What is obvious so far is that he can shoot from long range and he dunk a little. I notice he is a ok help defensive player and a terrible man to man defensive player. What is obvious is that he doesn't have a quick first step off the dribble and if he is played tight, he has trouble getting off a shot and taking his man of the dribble. When pointing out stats the only thing that is pointed to is his shooting and normally his long range shooting. Patience to determine what? He was sold as a guy who isn't a potential project like a Randolph or Jordan. He got hurt and now is healthy if you believe him and the Knicks. The guy is on a rookie contract not a long term 6 year contract. After next season the Knick have to determine if they even want to pick up his contract. This ain't the old CBA where a rookie is allowed to develop on a guarantee long term contract.

You took what I said wrong. I wasn't talking as if Gallo got the ball in his hands that he was going to start putting up big points at this point. His skill set and arsenal comes from the ball in his hands. As of right now he has been having trouble getting by his defenders with the ball in his hands which has regulated him to being a spot up shooter at this point. Its not until he is able to start getting his shot off off the dribble that he is going to really show off his offensive skills and talent.
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I think he has tried what you are describing, it is just that it has been unsuccessful. That's why I think finestrg was off basis a little getting on him for not trying. I noted that he needs to learn who and who he can't take off the dribble. Then you have Walsh going out of his way to acknowledge that just because you can take someone off the dribble in Europe doesn't mean you can do it in the NBA. Right now he excels at spot up long range shooting. I think the concern by some is that a 6 pick was used to get a 3 point specialist.

Charles Oakley was considered one of the best shooters in practice he could outshoot both Ewing and Jordan if you believe them. For the better part of his early career it didn't translate into games until Riley instructed him to take the shot only when left wide open on a double team. Just cause someone can do something in practice or at another level in their careers doesn't mean they can do it on a consistent basis with ease.

BTW, I thought Gallinari was sold as a guy who didn't need the ball in his hands to have an impact. So now we are saying like Nate, like Harrington and like Crawford that this guy needs the ball in his hands. This isn't the making of a team guy. I think most guys in the NBA feel the same way. If only they could get more touches then they would put up better numbers.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

You Pollyanna's act like us hatters are expecting Gallinari to be dominating. Far from it. We just want to see some of the game that we heard he had, other than being able to shoot the ball like most euros. Or maybe you guys think it should take months to show that he can dribble a basketball.

which are the other euros over 6'9" who shoot nearly 50% from the field? And we have seen Gallo put the ball on the floor and hit baskets too.

Well I'm not going to use his shooting pct because it's such a small sample but Euro bigmen who can shoot isn't exactly a new phenomenon.

Come on Martin, you honestly think that Gallinari has shown a good handle or the ability to create his own shot?

Gallo ain't shooting layups out there, they are mostly 3 pointers.

Don't you think it's weird that on one hand you won't use his shooting pct because it's such a small sample and yet you want to make ANY type of comparison with Gallo? The dude has played 15 games and you are labeling him a bust. You can't have it both ways.

You claim that he is like any other big Euro. What were Dirks stats after 15 games? How about any other perimeter big man over 6'9"? Pick a few if you want to make a comparison. Or just keep trolling along.

Well Briggs did have that Gallo/Channing thread going on that many don't like. I think comparisons are being made but people don't like them or refuse to look at them. I also recall that Dirk's game was different. Dirk look to do more in the post than Gallinari much more actually. He tried to play as a big. He tried to dunk on guys a lot, not just shoot the ball.

the only one really refusing to do any comparisons in this thread is Isles. He threw out a generality and then didn't really back it up or even provide examples.