Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by Pharzeone:


Van Wafer is one, Roberson's backup during SL.

He has played some good ball when given the minutes in Houston, and had a pretty good game against us, if I remember correctly. I don't recall him doing that well with us in SL, but he can't be that different of a player now than when he was with us last summer.

Maybe Roberson is a better practice player.

Van Wafer, unlike Roberson, would have been vying for playing time on this team.

After the Crawford trade, Von would have been firmly entrenched as our starting SG, imo.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Ira:

Briggs, you're argument seems to be that we have no need right now for another 3 and that's true. But in a couple of years, at least some of those players will be gone. One thing we do need is a go to guy. And Gallinari seems to have the skill set that will enable him to develop into that kind of offensive weapon.

I hate to say this but it would be shocking to see Gallinari hit the level achieved by Lopez right now. Lopez is not stoppable and if NJ would go to him more he would score 20 points every night easily grab 10 rebounds and block 2-3 shots. Maybe Gallinari will be a real player some day but we didnt need him[we had a very nice athletic 3 talent in Chandler]--we needed Brook Lopez. I was not running my mouth at anyone here or putting down Gallinari---if I think Lopez is a vastly superior player--thats just my opinion. My problem is with the dufus patrol running the Knicks. Im not pointing my finger at Walsh either. The guy was sick with cancer. He went on information from the scouts. Whats scares me is I think it's the same squad of scouts that bypassed Bynum for Frye. Whoever it is shouldnt work for the Knicks anymore.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 02-05-2009 2:39 PM]

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 02-05-2009 2:40 PM]

Briggs: Again, I dont' think anyone has issue with your position. I think if you like Lopez over Gallinari and feel we needed a Center I think that's a legit point of view. The thing is, most of us get it right now. We know your point of view. We understand your anger and frustration. There's really no need to bring it up every time he has a good game, and then again when Randolph starts playing well. I think we get it.

I don't mean to be a jerk because in general I really like your posting. But this constant harping on the draft pick that happened months ago and cannot be changed is mind numbing. Let's stop talking about what we don't have and talk about what we do have and what comes next.

Posted by fishmike:

Lopez is not stoppable? Guy is shooting 49% and he's not stoppable? 7 footer shoots 47% in the Pac 10 and he's not stoppable?

He's approaching Nenad Krstic. After that its a clear path to Duncan and Hakeem territory.

Seriously. He's not any better than Frye was his rookie season when people around here didnt want to include Channing in a deal that would bring KG.

The NBA will adjust to Lopez quite soon enough and we will see if he can smell my farts in the wind.

He's having a good rookie season for a mid-late lottery pick on a team with NO size at all

Fishmike Channing frye are Brook Lopez compleetly different players --it's not even a close comparison.

Dude, I friggin hate Eisley. No doubt that Ward should have been starting. If I ever find the person that made the decision to start Eisley...........

[Edited by - bippity10 on 05-02-2009 6:05 PM]

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bippity10:

Dude, I friggin hate Eisley. No doubt that Ward should have been starting. If I ever find the person that made the decision to start Eisley...........

[Edited by - bippity10 on 05-02-2009 6:05 PM]

I'm with you man. That's why I wanted to trade Eisley for Kevin Garnett. I still don't understand why the Timberwolves ignored that.

You'd think McHale would jump at an offer like that.

If you can trade a hall of famer like Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol, then you can certainly trade Professor All Universe Eisley for little Kevin Garnett.

Lopez isn't special? He is a franchise center. When you say that isn't special you sound like Isiah Thomas trying to justify why he stopped playing Curry because the league is a small guys league. Watch how not special he is for the next 12 years. The guys is averaging 12 and 8 right now and his numbers are getting better. I believe there are only 11 guys in the NBA averaging a double double. Lopez is on the cusp of that as a rookie. He is on a team with two go to guys so he is not a prime option on offense. The 08 draft may have been the deepest in history. Lopez will be one of the five best players from this draft and possibly top 3. You can be enamored with Gallo's potential but you cannot dismiss Lopez's talent because of that. One thing for sure, the guy Lopez is guarding doesn't become the go to guy on offense whenever he is on the court.

Posted by fishmike:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

Knicks bench is destroying opponents and giving them a lift almost every night. Since Gallinari has been added to the rotation he has been a huge part of that. Nate of course has been the staple there but since Gallinari has been getting those 15 minutes the team has played very very well with him on the floor.

The guy is aggressive on both ends of the floor. He's got a nice set of offensive moves and gets people involved. He's heady and seems tough. The only thing you worry about is his back. Is Oden a bust?

that is the question I keep asking. and guess what answers I get..

Give him time, he is basically a rookie comming off injury... ROFL.... go figure..

tonight oden had 4/2 vs the thunder...

Gallo put up 5/4 while getting frozen out of the offense by AL and nate...

Posted by tkf:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

Lopez is not stoppable? Guy is shooting 49% and he's not stoppable? 7 footer shoots 47% in the Pac 10 and he's not stoppable?

He's approaching Nenad Krstic. After that its a clear path to Duncan and Hakeem territory.

Seriously. He's not any better than Frye was his rookie season when people around here didnt want to include Channing in a deal that would bring KG.

The NBA will adjust to Lopez quite soon enough and we will see if he can smell my farts in the wind.

He's having a good rookie season for a mid-late lottery pick on a team with NO size at all

Fishmike Channing frye are Brook Lopez compleetly different players --it's not even a close comparison.

I have seen them both play plenty, and the production is totally fair. Frye had games and stretches in his rookie year where people here, yourself included were incredibly high on him. Frye had several 30 point games where he seemed unstoppable. He had games where he looked like he was going be a good rebounder. Then the league figured him out. The Lopez/Frye comparison is fair. Did Lopez shoot > 50% in high school? Cause he didnt in the Pac10 and he isnt in the NBA. The guy isnt special. He might be a good NBA player for his career. Maybe if the Nets are lucky as good as Brad Miller but I doubt it

good post fishmike. I agree..

That's funny but I completely disagree.

Lopez is nothing like Frye, they don't even play the same position. I don't see how anybody can watch Lopez play and be reminded of Frye. Lopez is a legit NBA center who plays in the interior and is averaging 8 rebounds and 2 blocks a game. Frye is a PF who likes to float around the perimeter and has averaged less than 6 rebounds a game and has never come close to averaging 1 block a game. The only thing similar about the 2 players is that they were both big men in the Pac-10.

Lopez's numbers have improved every month, which is a great sign for a rookie. It's no great leap to see him being a top 5 center in the NBA, averaging 18pts, 12rebs and 3blks a game, over the next 10 years. That's more than solid and the Knicks would have been much better off having him manning the middle for the next decade.

I don't get the whole 50% thing. Lopez is shooting 50% in his rookie year, is that not good enough? Patrick Ewing shot 47% his rookie year and 50% for his career. Tim Duncan is at 50% for his career. Now I'm hardly saying that Lopez is "special" like those players but what exactly is your infatuation with 50% shooting? Channing Frye is at 45% and Brad Miller is at 48% by the way.