Posted by PresIke:

I can't believe I'm gonn say this (although I actually think I did recently) but Frye is a pretty ideal player for D'Antoni's system, and might make sense to be brought back in such a deal.

it only makes sense if you think Frye doesn't suck. And he does.

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by King1:

Just an update here these things arent going to happen.
1. Camby isnt getting traded to the Knicks
2. Curry wont be ready to play on this trip
3. Gallinari probably wont play any this year.
4. The Knicks wont get equal value for Lee in a trade since he is a RFA. If you think a guy that cant beat out Blake is equal value then we look at things different.

I agree that I see little reason for the Clippers to trade Camby. He does not have a longterm deal and they need him now with Randoplh and Kaman hurt. If they do trade him, they will probably want more than Portland's 1st round pick (even though they only gave up a 2nd round pick to get him).

I do think that the Knicks are seriously considering trading Lee simply because they don't want to resign him for $10 million per season and probably think that DG may be able to fill Lee's role. I doubt DG can pull down 10 rebounds but there is no question the kid can shoot better than Lee and could not possibly be any worse on defense.

A deal of Frye, Bayless, and a 1st round pick from Portland for Lee and Rose is probably the best we are going to get.

I'd have to take that deal if I'm Donnie. On talent alone Lee straight up for Bayless is probably fair to be honest however Lee's proven himself up to this point whereas Jerryd hasn't hence I understand the concept of wanting more. I don't see how you can work Rose's expiring into the mix as Portland wouldn't necessarily have the salary match we'd be looking for, but maybe Roberson might do the trick. Lee and Roberson for Bayless, Frye and either Portland's 2009 or 2010 1st rounder. That's fair. I agree with TMS, I'd rather get DeAndre Jordan than bring back Frye but if the Clips don't become involved I can't see us doing any better than this for Lee IMO - not for what we need (talented players still salary-controlled on rookie contracts, keeping the goal of not taking back bad contracts intact, maybe getting a draft pick or two, etc...). Anyone else who thinks we can do any better than Bayless, Frye and a 1st round pick for Lee is delusional..

Posted by MS:

Lee is third in the entire NBA in triple doubles and maybe the second best rebounder in the NBA and is a great finisher.

It's hard to move the guy and take a chance on unproven talent, but Camby, Bayless and Jordan is a good package.

The question the Knicks have to ask themsevles is how good is Duhon and do we see him being a part of the solution long term. He is a smart player who gets his teammates involved. I am sure a package of Lee/Duhon would be very enticing to portland and I get you could get Bayless/Diogu/Rudy it flat out makes them a better team, they improved the power foward greatly and add a top 10 pg, which i think you can slot him in (Paul, Williams, Billups, Rose, Davis, Parker, Calderon or Bibby, Harris, Rondo, Duhon)

Interesting with the including Duhon angle. However, I think they're completely comfortable with Steve Blake running the show - outside of the numbers he and Duhon are pretty much the same player IMO. But yeah, if you could do that and get Rudy Fernandez, man that's a no-brainer. Fernandez is a very solid player... I don't think they would go for that though - Rudy's a core rotation guy that Nate McMillan loves. Bayless, Sergio, Frye, Diogu and Martell Webster - those are the assets that Portland might be willing to trade. And possibly a draft pick.


[Edited by - finestrg on 01-05-2009 1:58 PM]

We can sign Dlee and trade him next year.

He may get hurt, or may increase in value!!!!!!

Its really been 10 years since Camby and the knicks were in the finals!! Camby is 34, I dunno? We really want him back?

what happen with trades with Warriors for the Randolph kid?

I'd like see us with a point and a big for Lee, both to get minutes and develope them.

We don't need for Camby to thrive here, we are tanking with a purpose this year.

Posted by Nalod:

We can sign Dlee and trade him next year.

He may get hurt, or may increase in value!!!!!!

Its really been 10 years since Camby and the knicks were in the finals!! Camby is 34, I dunno? We really want him back?

what happen with trades with Warriors for the Randolph kid?

I'd like see us with a point and a big for Lee, both to get minutes and develope them.

We don't need for Camby to thrive here, we are tanking with a purpose this year.

I'm not in love with bringing a 34 yr. old Camby in here with the idea of trying to win now either but I think it was Martin who brought up a good point before - maybe we bring Camby in here then Walsh looks to flip him next year at the trading deadline. A productive Camby, even at 34/35 yrs. old, will be a nice expiring contract-type asset to have next year...

If he is a missing piece to a playoff team why not sign him and then you have a position you dont have to worry about. How can someone get excited about Bosh is a great player but he is getting blasted in Toronto so you give him max money to come here and the same thing happens. Lebron and Wade are the two superstars in this class. I think Bosh is going somewhere that is established and ready to win

Posted by King1:

If he is a missing piece to a playoff team why not sign him and then you have a position you dont have to worry about. How can someone get excited about Bosh is a great player but he is getting blasted in Toronto so you give him max money to come here and the same thing happens. Lebron and Wade are the two superstars in this class. I think Bosh is going somewhere that is established and ready to win

you realize portland wants him to be their 6th man, right? sounds like he's not a starter on that playoff team.

Posted by djsunyc:

imho, i don't think they're married to lamarcus.

i've seen portland play a few times this season and i've been more impressed by him than oden. dlee is a great insurance policy for those two guys, obviously. lee is a good fit for them.

by the same token, i don't think they would trade sergio AND bayless -they'd have nothing left in their backcourt roy, rudy and blake.

I think you have to get Bayless in any trade. I think in a couple of years he can be Special Player. Think Monta Ellis/Poor man's Arenas. Getting Camby is good to make up for the rebounds DLee was getting and help be competitive next year(Not This year).

Posted by King1:

Personally I think Lee will be with this team and they will sign him long term.

Agreed. I think we're wasting our breath and energy on these trade scenarios.

[Edited by - panos on 01-05-2009 2:59 PM]

Posted by earthmansurfer:

How do you all feel about Bellinelli being the center of a trade instead of Bayless? Bayless is really an unknown quantity being a rookie and a PG who is probably better as a SG. With Bellinelli you get someone who has height (6'5") can shoot and defend. He would also fit this system (as would Bayless). We need another guard, SG moreso, in the worst way, so perhaps we should go for that...

Bellinelli is a horrific defender. One of the worst in the league. I dont where the idea came from that he can actually defend.

Its been stated in this thread before, so let me add to the chorus: A package involving lee must have either Fernandez or Bayless coming back in return. I'm not sold on Rodriquez at all. He has skill, but I haven't seen much evidence that he will develop into a player that can significantly contribute to a winning squad. That's too big a risk to take.

Wouldnt take any Portland offer seriously that didnt involve either of those two.