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11/23/2008  3:49 PM
Posted by Solace:
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Posted by Uptown:
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I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.

Say what you want about Marbs, It usually turns out he is the one telling
the truth...

The problem with Marbs is he takes things literally like my 6th grade students. "If you dont like it, go home!" screamed Isiah. So Marbury literally goes home. Then Marbury says, "Isiah told me to go home." Did Marbury tell the truth in that situation? Yes. But what warm body with an adult brain would take the "Go home" statement literally?

Says D'Antoni, "Steph, we have 25-30 minutes available tonight."
"But I thought you said I wasn't in the plans!" snarled Steph, as he snaps his finger in the face of D'Antoni, with left hand on hip and his head snaking back and forth like a school yard girl with an attitude. (Seriously, who would respond like this other than a middle-schooler?) Did Steph reply with the Truth? Yes. But an adult/professional who is getting paid on the 1st and 15th would have understood the extreme circumstance. But Marb is Marb. He just doesn't get it.

Grow-Up already.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-23-2008 09:12 AM]

That is your interpretation and not the actual truth...


How is that not the actual truth? That is exactly the truth.

Also, If it went down the exact way MDA said it went down, the Knicks have every right to fine Marbury, the Knicks wants to save money on Marbury's contract...He makes approx. $267,000 per game...why not fine him every game he refuses to play???...

And I hope your not tooling me..



[Edited by - holfresh on 11-23-2008 3:51 PM]
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11/23/2008  3:50 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.

Say what you want about Marbs, It usually turns out he is the one telling
the truth...

The problem with Marbs is he takes things literally like my 6th grade students. "If you dont like it, go home!" screamed Isiah. So Marbury literally goes home. Then Marbury says, "Isiah told me to go home." Did Marbury tell the truth in that situation? Yes. But what warm body with an adult brain would take the "Go home" statement literally?

Says D'Antoni, "Steph, we have 25-30 minutes available tonight."
"But I thought you said I wasn't in the plans!" snarled Steph, as he snaps his finger in the face of D'Antoni, with left hand on hip and his head snaking back and forth like a school yard girl with an attitude. (Seriously, who would respond like this other than a middle-schooler?) Did Steph reply with the Truth? Yes. But an adult/professional who is getting paid on the 1st and 15th would have understood the extreme circumstance. But Marb is Marb. He just doesn't get it.

Grow-Up already.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-23-2008 09:12 AM]

That is your interpretation and not the actual truth...


How is that not the actual truth? That is exactly the truth.

You weren't there...these are all second hand accounts and one sided...It is impossible for you to know the complete truth...IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!


Uh I guess, but then you and oohah are making crazy assumptions as well. The fact is that Marbury is always in the middle of these situations, so he's lost all credibility as a victim. The fact is that he's made an ass out of himself almost every time he's talked in public via his OWN words. That is indisputable fact. Your Marbury apologists should just let it rest. Stop associating yourselves with a loser.
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11/23/2008  3:53 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I have to go with Marbury on this. He has earned my trust by the tremendous character he has displayed in the past.

Say what you want about Marbs, It usually turns out he is the one telling
the truth...

The problem with Marbs is he takes things literally like my 6th grade students. "If you dont like it, go home!" screamed Isiah. So Marbury literally goes home. Then Marbury says, "Isiah told me to go home." Did Marbury tell the truth in that situation? Yes. But what warm body with an adult brain would take the "Go home" statement literally?

Says D'Antoni, "Steph, we have 25-30 minutes available tonight."
"But I thought you said I wasn't in the plans!" snarled Steph, as he snaps his finger in the face of D'Antoni, with left hand on hip and his head snaking back and forth like a school yard girl with an attitude. (Seriously, who would respond like this other than a middle-schooler?) Did Steph reply with the Truth? Yes. But an adult/professional who is getting paid on the 1st and 15th would have understood the extreme circumstance. But Marb is Marb. He just doesn't get it.

Grow-Up already.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-23-2008 09:12 AM]

That is your interpretation and not the actual truth...


How is that not the actual truth? That is exactly the truth.

Also, If it went down the exact way MDA said it went down, the Knicks have every right to fine Marbury, the Knicks wants to save money on Marbury's contract...He makes approx. $267,000 per game...why not fine him every game he refuses to play???...

And I hope your not tooling me..



[Edited by - holfresh on 11-23-2008 3:51 PM]

How do we know that they won't take that route? It's only been a few days. I already suggested that they should try to have his contract voided if he truly refuses to play.

[Edited by - Solace on Nov 23 2008 3:54 PM]
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11/23/2008  3:58 PM

Who is apologizing for Marbury's actions...Not me, not once in this thread...I conceded Marbs was idiot a year ago..My entire point is the MDA is is stirring up the non-sense we have been put through the last few years and he need not do it...My point was he need not go to the press with this nonsense..Read the post before YOU begin making crazy assumptions yourself...
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11/23/2008  4:15 PM
'fresh, this is from Steph's side of the story:

"He said, 'I have 20, 25 minutes for you if you want to play,'" Marbury said Saturday morning. "I said, 'You've told me you're going in another direction and I'm not in the plans.'"

At that point, D'Antoni didn't bother to press the issue, according to Marbury. "He had a smile on and just said, 'I totally understand it, I get you,'" Marbury said....

Marbury admitted he wasn't enthused about playing because he hadn't scrimmaged in two-and-half weeks before Thursday after being ostracized by D'Antoni since the season opener. Marbury hasn't played yet this season and thought a 25-minute stint might be too much too soon.

Just be realistic, what do you suppose Marbury's body language spoke?

Listen, I think a few things are clear here:

1. It's true Marbury didn't outright "refuse" to play. But he was "invited" to play and declined.

2. D' and W aren't going to beg Marbury to be a team player, nor are they going to bend the direction of the team to his will. Marbury showed himself, for the zillionth time, to be above the team in training camp when he declared himself unwilling to come off the bench. Everything since then is predicated, rightfully, by a desire to move him.

3. Moving Marbury is in equal interest to Marbury and the Knicks, but the Knicks are working harder toward that end. They have agents - Marbury doesn't. They speak compromise - Marbury doesn't. They invite him to scrimmage with the team to stay in condition and be ready to contribute here or elsewhere - Marbury declines. They offer an opportunity to showcase Marbury - he declines.

You and oohah are trying to portray this as though he's done everything right and bully/sheriff D' is doing everything wrong, but it just ain't so. Marbury would have been difficult to move under any circumstances, but if he played his cards right he might have allowed the slimmest of chances. He might have given the Knicks and potential suitors something to work with, but he's more than willing to cut off his nose to spite his face.

Seriously, why is any of this a surprise to you at this point in the game?
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11/23/2008  4:23 PM
i don't think anyone should hold it against Marbury for not wanting to play... he was, as MDA put it, in a tough position there... he hadn't been practicing w/the team all year & for him to come in for a 1 night stint he stood to gain really nothing & possibly look either foolish or over extend himself for no reason... the team had moved on & both he & MAD were at peace w/it... it wasn't fair of MDA or anyone else to expect him to say yes & play... but there's no harm in MDA asking... the media & the fans are making a lot more out of this than there needs to be made... really, what difference does it make anyway? all this talk about disrespecting Marbury is silliness.

personally i agree w/oohah that MDA shouldn't have made this a public issue, & i'm someone who can't even stand to look at Marbs... there really was no need to take it there other than to smear Marbury's image even more, which isn't what we should be looking to do when it comes to players on your own team... Marbs is obviously not a likeable guy to begin with & his head coaches pulling this type of stuff w/the media doesn't help matters... we all saw how bad it got w/LB.
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11/23/2008  4:59 PM
D;Antoni had to make it a public issue b/c he was asked about it by the media ... so he was straight up and told what I believe is the truth ... if he was coy about it, what would that accomplish? It wouldn't make it any more or less of a "story" so, just be honest about it... that's as shrewd as you can be in this town, and I'm glad MikeD has a grasp of that.
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11/23/2008  5:01 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

'fresh, this is from Steph's side of the story:

"He said, 'I have 20, 25 minutes for you if you want to play,'" Marbury said Saturday morning. "I said, 'You've told me you're going in another direction and I'm not in the plans.'"

At that point, D'Antoni didn't bother to press the issue, according to Marbury. "He had a smile on and just said, 'I totally understand it, I get you,'" Marbury said....

Marbury admitted he wasn't enthused about playing because he hadn't scrimmaged in two-and-half weeks before Thursday after being ostracized by D'Antoni since the season opener. Marbury hasn't played yet this season and thought a 25-minute stint might be too much too soon.

Just be realistic, what do you suppose Marbury's body language spoke?

Listen, I think a few things are clear here:

1. It's true Marbury didn't outright "refuse" to play. But he was "invited" to play and declined.

2. D' and W aren't going to beg Marbury to be a team player, nor are they going to bend the direction of the team to his will. Marbury showed himself, for the zillionth time, to be above the team in training camp when he declared himself unwilling to come off the bench. Everything since then is predicated, rightfully, by a desire to move him.

3. Moving Marbury is in equal interest to Marbury and the Knicks, but the Knicks are working harder toward that end. They have agents - Marbury doesn't. They speak compromise - Marbury doesn't. They invite him to scrimmage with the team to stay in condition and be ready to contribute here or elsewhere - Marbury declines. They offer an opportunity to showcase Marbury - he declines.

You and oohah are trying to portray this as though he's done everything right and bully/sheriff D' is doing everything wrong, but it just ain't so. Marbury would have been difficult to move under any circumstances, but if he played his cards right he might have allowed the slimmest of chances. He might have given the Knicks and potential suitors something to work with, but he's more than willing to cut off his nose to spite his face.

Seriously, why is any of this a surprise to you at this point in the game?

Blue, I had to go back and re-read all my post because you are the second person that said that I'm defending Marbury or portraying Marbury as thought he has done nothing...Again, please show me where I have done this...Again, my issue with the entire situation is the way MDA and Walsh has handled it, the look like media rookies...MDA and Walsh has done more harm in trying to move Marbury with the way they have handled the situation...MDA needs to keep his mouth shut...You stated he may have felt he needs to tell the truth...Well if that's the case it's stupid...

You and Solace has incorrect depicted my stance in this situation as defending Marbury and his actions...If you can point me to that passage where I have done that, please do so...I have however, in the past defended Marbury, but that was in the first half of last season before the PHX stint...I get the feeling I'm judged here from my past deeds and not what I'm currently saying, much like Marbury!!!
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11/23/2008  5:43 PM
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Guys, guys, guys..........Stephon Marbury is such a non factor at this point, I don't see anymore need to even talk about him. He's a loser, a time bomb and he's getting what he deserves and most of all 'he's still' causing trouble'.

LET IT GO!

JUST LET IT GO ONCE AND FOR ALL.

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11/23/2008  5:45 PM
Fresh, I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted or mischaracterized your position. Too often I lump you and oohah together, which invariably misses the subtle distinctions between you.

Oohah's angle has been that Marbury was wronged from the start; that somehow playing a bench role in preseason was supposed to have some carry over into reg season, and that Steph did nothing but be the consummate team guy, and thus, not being played made a mockery of the clean slate. He told me I was wrong about Marbury stating he would not come off the bench and when I proved him wrong, instead of apologizing and admitting the situation was more complicated than he realized, he has done nothing but divert the subject with ficticious players and an inability to interact with my "blind hate."

I'm sorry I confused your attack on D' for the other night with oohah's much larger complaint.

I've said earlier that I don't really fault Marbury for not wanting to play the other night, but I resent the notion that he's being "setup" or judged on his past actions, as if coming into the season right were he left off, by putting himself above the coach and his teammates was nothing. I also think it's funny that a player should be allowed to do what he wants.

I think it was generous of D' to offer the PT to Marbury - it could have helped Marbury's cause so he could showcase himself, as well as to pull a nice gesture for the team. I don't think a proud guy like D' wanted to do it, but I think he humbled himself tp do it for his team: it might have been nice to give a breather to some of his guys. Marbury also didn't want to do it, but any interest in the team never came into play - when has it ever? He's also under contract to play - a contract he says he wants every penny of, so maybe he should have sucked it up and played whether he wanted to or not.

You know I never wanted Marbury to be here to start the season. I fully expect D' felt the same. His being here is in some combination the fault of Dolan, Walsh and Marbury. But he is here, and while here there is no getting around the distraction. The notion that if D' stonewalled over his decline to play it would have made the distraction go away is purely false. And doing so would have left himself open to accusations of blocking Steph even when we rightfully needed him? Why should he do that?

Oohah, is wrong- I don't relish seeing Marbury humiliated (nor do I mind), I'd relish seeing him anywhere but here. I simply resent the notion, which you echoed above ("I get the feeling I'm judged here from my past deeds and not what I'm currently saying, much like Marbury!!!") that Marbury is being judged on his past. Please show me when in the present he's been a team player? He said he wouldn't come off the bench, he's declined to practice with the team (to even be ready to play,) and he refuses to play when they need him. This isn't about his past, it's just the last straw to an already crippling past.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-23-2008 5:51 PM]
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D;Antoni had to make it a public issue b/c he was asked about it by the media ... so he was straight up and told what I believe is the truth ... if he was coy about it, what would that accomplish? It wouldn't make it any more or less of a "story" so, just be honest about it... that's as shrewd as you can be in this town, and I'm glad MikeD has a grasp of that.

i know he was asked about it but he's gotta know that becomes an instant headline as soon as he says Marbury declined to play... why bother even making it an issue? just say "we discussed it & we decided it wasn't a good idea for him to play"... that's a more diplomatic way to handle it... anyway, i could care less cuz if there's 1 guy i don't think is deserving of any respect here, it's Marbs... but i do think MDA coulda handled it a different way... no biggie either way, Marbs is a non issue to me.
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Can someone explain to me how someone who is making $22 million a year can be reasonable excused for not being ready to play? He's an NBA professional? Tons of guys get called off the inactive roster ready to play. Why is Marbury any different? That's just a ridiculous point of view.

As for what Marbury had to gain. He had respect to gain. He had an opportunity to play a game he's supposed to love. Instead, he showed us what's really important to him, and where his priorities really are.

I don't see how anyone can reasonably fault D'Antoni for this. Marbury let his team down again and the press had a right to know that he was offered to play, but decided to be a baby and refused. Once again, I hope the Knicks seek to void his contract.

[Edited by - Solace on Nov 23 2008 6:35 PM]
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11/23/2008  6:46 PM
who cares.
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11/23/2008  6:48 PM
Posted by TMS:

who cares.

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11/23/2008  7:51 PM
Posted by TMS:

who cares.

Until this slug is off the team, anyone can choose to care about this useless slug who has been largely responsible for the detruction of the team.
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11/23/2008  8:34 PM
Posted by Solace:

Can someone explain to me how someone who is making $22 million a year can be reasonable excused for not being ready to play? He's an NBA professional? Tons of guys get called off the inactive roster ready to play. Why is Marbury any different? That's just a ridiculous point of view.

Because guys on the inactive list who arent injured actually practice. Marbs has not been allowed to practice. (just answering your question).

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11/23/2008  9:06 PM
Marbury is too important to the future of this team. Without Marbury, all the Knicks have is boring basketball.
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11/23/2008  9:06 PM
And bring back Isiah too already.
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11/23/2008  9:21 PM
It may not be boring, but it sure its getting annoying.
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11/23/2008  11:11 PM
Posted by Travla:
Posted by Solace:

Can someone explain to me how someone who is making $22 million a year can be reasonable excused for not being ready to play? He's an NBA professional? Tons of guys get called off the inactive roster ready to play. Why is Marbury any different? That's just a ridiculous point of view.

Because guys on the inactive list who arent injured actually practice. Marbs has not been allowed to practice. (just answering your question).

I understand your point, but nothing kept Marbury from keeping in shape. Players who are traded also haven't practiced with their new teammates, but that doesn't stop them from being effective or at least making an effort. It's understandable that Marbury may have been frustrated, but the fact is that he had a chance to step up and he blew it. I just can't buy that he wasn't capable of helping the team in some fashion. But that's Marbury.

[Edited by - Solace on Nov 23 2008 11:11 PM]
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