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MS
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9/3/2008  11:52 PM
Frankly Obama doesn't believe Iran is a threat, posed going into Pakistan after a troop pull out in Iraq, thinks he can just sit down and reason with these people, the guy doesn't have a ****ing idea what he is talking about. Hilary was far more qualified to be president, but people were tired of the clintons and obama was fresh and new so his experience and qualifications didn't really matter, he has little foreign policy experience which is a fact. And I don't debate that Republicans aren't the only ones that can protect this country. Is it really more dangerous? Why? Because the media says so?

The same media that was jumping on Palin for having a daughter that is having a kid at 17 out of wedlock when Obama was born in the same situation at 18, the lack of middle ground is disgraceful.

And if you think Biden is going to crush her, i'm willing to bet you were on board with the curry/zach frontline...

Let's see what Obama can do when he actually has to debate an issue and isn't working off the teleprompter, he isn't going to be so smooth anymore when someone actually poses questions walk around
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9/3/2008  11:55 PM
indeed the debates should tell a lot, i look forward to them.
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9/3/2008  11:56 PM
MS, hopefully you are from NY so that your vote will be meaningless.
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9/3/2008  11:59 PM
Global Warming, frankly it's embarrassing all those clowns parading around in their private jets, suvs, putting on their live aid concerts destroying the environment and preaching to the public in the importance of gw. Are both parties full of ****, yea sure to some extent, but McCain isn't going to save the world neither is Obama, but comparing McCain to Bush because he supports a war that he said was mishandled doesn't really hold water

Dead wrong, seriously what has Obama done? He is a great speaker, he is engaging, he is intelligent, he makes you believe without actually backing up his ideas with facts that sounds pretty familiar. If he actually has a plan laid out well then talk about it, realistic change, don't just keep talking about it.
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9/4/2008  12:00 AM
LOL. Do you see the other nations of the world? Why don't they ever have any troubles with people? I don't see them invading everyone. Yes, people in the Middle East hate America. But why exactly did we go to Iraq? What did we accomplish there? What "threat" does Iran pose to us? What are they gonna do, nuke America? Give me a break. Why are we in Afghanistan after 7 years? Where is Osama? Wasn't all of this just supposed to be about him? Dude is completely forgotten now.

Biden is his foreign policy. End of story. What are Palin's credentials? Please list them for me. Some oil deals while governor of Alaska? Oh man, she's qualified!

Let's see what he can do? He's done it before and he's beaten Hillary in debates before. I don't know what you're talking about. You say random ass stuff with no backup claims. He beat Hillary on his own and not because "people were sick of the Clintons" and I hope he can beat McCain in November or else we will be F'ed in the A for another 4 years at the least.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 09-04-2008 12:01 AM]
Thank you, Rick Brunson.
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9/4/2008  12:00 AM
if cnn is lauding palin and this speech, then you know she did a good job...

what she definitely did do tonight, is that she didn't lose the election for mccain...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 12:02 AM]
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9/4/2008  12:55 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

if cnn is lauding palin and this speech, then you know she did a good job...

what she definitely did do tonight, is that she didn't lose the election for mccain...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 12:02 AM]

CNN is a centrist network that slightly tilts right. I think Fox News has hoodwinked you into believing that they are a liberal oasis. Anything left of Attila the Hun is liberal to them.
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9/4/2008  1:16 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

if cnn is lauding palin and this speech, then you know she did a good job...

what she definitely did do tonight, is that she didn't lose the election for mccain...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 12:02 AM]

su, you should know better than that, man, and we boys. The mainstream media will of course give her props, as they did Obama. Anyone who thought she would flop was kidding themselves. She was quite obviously, and too much for me (whose obviously biased) channeling the "good ol' American" stuff that got Bush and Reagan elected. In other words let's "connect" to certain folks in America who like that stuff, which McCain does not quite nail. Yet the problem is that base is not as strong this election, I think, and her being a woman and Republican will hurt, no matter how much she appeals to some. She can talk all she wants about military, but the reality is that no woman is given that kind of power in any military office of which Republicans hold so dear. Notice how all of the military vets shown on TV were subdued, with one or two exceptions.

This is the party and followers that adhered to Newt Gingrich's point about women's menstrual cycle being a problem in combat. Republicans can act as though they are cool with her, but my guess is that they are more naturally uncomfortable with her as VP than is being let on.

She can play the victim against Biden, sure, but she doesn't sound to authoritative, compared to Hillary, who has more of that kind of personality than she, from what I get. She's a "good ol' girl" but will that really win?

That remains to be seen.

You made some other comments about Palin not mattering due to Quayle, but I don't think that same logic applies here.

[Edited by - PresIke on 09-04-2008 01:18 AM]
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9/4/2008  1:25 AM
Posted by MS:

Global Warming, frankly it's embarrassing all those clowns parading around in their private jets, suvs, putting on their live aid concerts destroying the environment and preaching to the public in the importance of gw. Are both parties full of ****, yea sure to some extent, but McCain isn't going to save the world neither is Obama, but comparing McCain to Bush because he supports a war that he said was mishandled doesn't really hold water

Dead wrong, seriously what has Obama done? He is a great speaker, he is engaging, he is intelligent, he makes you believe without actually backing up his ideas with facts that sounds pretty familiar. If he actually has a plan laid out well then talk about it, realistic change, don't just keep talking about it.


Don't forget McCain like Bush, plans to extend tax breaks for the top one percent...Don't forget McCain like Bush, plans to cut taxes for corporations once he enters office...Don't forget McCain like Bush, will not speak to our enemies when he enters office... Don't forget McCain like Bush, plans to nominate Justices to the far right setting their sights on Roe v. Wade...I have more examples..




[Edited by - holfresh on 09-04-2008 01:26 AM]
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9/4/2008  1:35 AM
Posted by MS:

Frankly Obama doesn't believe Iran is a threat, posed going into Pakistan after a troop pull out in Iraq, thinks he can just sit down and reason with these people, the guy doesn't have a ****ing idea what he is talking about. Hilary was far more qualified to be president, but people were tired of the clintons and obama was fresh and new so his experience and qualifications didn't really matter, he has little foreign policy experience which is a fact. And I don't debate that Republicans aren't the only ones that can protect this country. Is it really more dangerous? Why? Because the media says so?

The same media that was jumping on Palin for having a daughter that is having a kid at 17 out of wedlock when Obama was born in the same situation at 18, the lack of middle ground is disgraceful.

And if you think Biden is going to crush her, i'm willing to bet you were on board with the curry/zach frontline...

Let's see what Obama can do when he actually has to debate an issue and isn't working off the teleprompter, he isn't going to be so smooth anymore when someone actually poses questions walk aroundSa

Hey MS, welcome to the 21st century. I guess like Rumsfeld you don't do diplomacy because that has work so well for the last 6 years.
The US Defense department finally admitted that there is no evidence that Iraq had any involvement with the attacks on September 11. John McCain still believes that Sadam help engineer the attacks. I guess he also still believe that there are WMDs there too. So Obama is foolish for wanting to go after the real attackers. Silly him. Having a lot of experience is not an indicator of making sound judgements. My boss is a prime example of that.
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9/4/2008  2:08 AM
Again here we go with more bull ****.

Who do you think stimulates the economy, drives small businesses, invests, gives to charity, drives business, giving tax breaks to the top class is essential to fostering economic growth, that's a fact....

Did they **** up the war clearly, no one is debating that, should they have done things differently, of course, did McCain oppose the way the war was handled the answer is yes. He isn't like Bush, and i'm sure mccain wasn't in agreement with Rumsfeld, the man was a disaster.

Not on board with his views on roe vs wade or gay marriage, but believing Obama can change the world or has some bright ideas because he is popular and hasn't been taken apart because the media is liberal and wants the man elected, is no reason to pretend McCain and Bush are the same guy. Community organizer, and a year in the senate without campaigning, and achieving an ivy league education doesn't qualify you to lead just because you can speak shouldn't get you elected.
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9/4/2008  3:03 AM
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Boy this woman is a quintessential mouth piece for the ultra conservative white male. What a sickening speech they had her read, that thing had the depth of a kiddy pool. Just cheap shots with no rhyme, reason, or merit.

When pressed they just fall back into their foxholes and rely on guns, abortion, and a foreign policy that begins and ends with 9/11 fear tactics. Whatever to make us forget that 9/11 happened under their watch, they didnt catch Bin Laden, and the Irag hatchet job.

Ok, we got the Obama bashing bullet points, but what are their ideas other than drilling and fear mongering?

How can she get away with whining about media coverage over her pregnant daughter, yet she plasters her family all across the screen for political leverage?

What about regular moms who have special needs children and cant afford the appropriate health care? That irony is really self-righteous and nasty.

She made several critical mistakes in her speech, well the mistakes that didnt involve the bending and stretching of the truth. (whats up with her take on Obama's tax plan?) But the least of which was marginalizing community organizers which came across as remarkably elitist and mean spirited.

She went WAYYY too negative. Now this gives Biden/Obama the green light to swing back.

This speech was tailor made for small towns and small minds. She is going to get ate up in the debates on facts and issues, but they will prep her to shoehorn in soundbites that will serve as red meat to her base.


[Edited by - sebstar on 09-04-2008 03:32 AM]
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9/4/2008  3:10 AM
Posted by MS:

Again here we go with more bull ****.

Who do you think stimulates the economy, drives small businesses, invests, gives to charity, drives business, giving tax breaks to the top class is essential to fostering economic growth, that's a fact....

Did they **** up the war clearly, no one is debating that, should they have done things differently, of course, did McCain oppose the way the war was handled the answer is yes. He isn't like Bush, and i'm sure mccain wasn't in agreement with Rumsfeld, the man was a disaster.

Not on board with his views on roe vs wade or gay marriage, but believing Obama can change the world or has some bright ideas because he is popular and hasn't been taken apart because the media is liberal and wants the man elected, is no reason to pretend McCain and Bush are the same guy. Community organizer, and a year in the senate without campaigning, and achieving an ivy league education doesn't qualify you to lead just because you can speak shouldn't get you elected.

Trickle down economics are a proven failure bro, and its just laughable to hear otherwise. Reagen did it and it led us into the early 90s recession.

Ironically it was George Bush's "no new taxes" speech (eventually he would enact new taxes) that made him a one-term president. But it was his taxes combined with Clinton's fleshing out further financial responsibility that led to the late 90s boom.

Helping the people that least need the help and hoping against hope that they do the right thing with their windfall is just typical republican propoganda bullshyt.

I hear you continually attack Obama, but what is it about McCain that promotes faith in your eyes? What is it about him that makes you think he can get us out of this rut? Is it his pandering to the hard right? His lack of knowledge on foreign policy? His completely lack of knowledge about the economy?

Republicans get us in the worst mess since the Great Depression, yet its Obama that is constantly on trial and not the guy that voted with the sitting president 90 percent of the time.

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-04-2008 03:28 AM]
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9/4/2008  3:12 AM
Posted by MS:

Obama = Isiah

This appears to actually be a good choice.

What's up with this stupid ass comparison? I really want to know.
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9/4/2008  3:15 AM
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Posted by sebstar:



Could you imagine what they would have said if it were Barack's teenage daughter whom was pregnant?

If this was Baracks daughter pregnant at 17 , the media would have crucified Michelle Obama as being some blow hard family values advocate that can't keep her own family promiscuity in check.


This country is gonna get what it has coming to them.


What if Barack had also called his wife a c*nt in public, and cheated on and eventually left his wife for a multi-million dollar heiress also?
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9/4/2008  8:22 AM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:

if cnn is lauding palin and this speech, then you know she did a good job...

what she definitely did do tonight, is that she didn't lose the election for mccain...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 12:02 AM]

CNN is a centrist network that slightly tilts right. I think Fox News has hoodwinked you into believing that they are a liberal oasis. Anything left of Attila the Hun is liberal to them.

cnn is pro democrat. foxnews is pro republican. i'm not hoodwinked by anybody. i have not stated my position on anything in these threads. but i am commenting on how palin delivered the speech. i really don't care what she says or even what obama and mccain say in these conventions...they are scripted pep rally's. almost like i'm watching the rock and steve austin battle it out on the mic at the beginning of monday night raw.

but i have to give her credit. she delivered the speech how they wanted her too and she didn't at any point look weak. like i said, the debates are what's more important but last night, she did her job and she did it well...
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9/4/2008  8:30 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

if cnn is lauding palin and this speech, then you know she did a good job...

what she definitely did do tonight, is that she didn't lose the election for mccain...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 12:02 AM]


CNN hires Republican strategist to discuss the Republican Convention so you don't honestly expect them to say "well she's just spewing the usual overheated vintage Republican rhethoric". And the Democratic Donna Brazile is a complete tool its amazing that women still gets jobs after the horrible Gore campaign she ran.
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9/4/2008  8:58 AM
Posted by MS:

......what has Obama done? He is a great speaker, he is engaging, he is intelligent,....
MS, you've just hit the nail on the head. Obama is a great speaker engaging, and intelligent. Qualities I want in a President. While "W" and McCain both are NOT great speakers; are NOT engaging; and are NOT intelligent.

Intelligence. That is why Obama has my vote!

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9/4/2008  9:23 AM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

if cnn is lauding palin and this speech, then you know she did a good job...

what she definitely did do tonight, is that she didn't lose the election for mccain...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-04-2008 12:02 AM]


CNN hires Republican strategist to discuss the Republican Convention so you don't honestly expect them to say "well she's just spewing the usual overheated vintage Republican rhethoric". And the Democratic Donna Brazile is a complete tool its amazing that women still gets jobs after the horrible Gore campaign she ran.

i'm talking about their regular hosts...not republican strategists. even their poll questions weren't skewed towards the negative after that speech.
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Posted by djsunyc:
but i have to give her credit. she delivered the speech how they wanted her too and she didn't at any point look weak.

oooo....and how hard is that? its not like she wrote it.
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