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Bonn, i apologize if my use of the term offended u, but i find the way you reason some things to be really irrational to say the least... i'll just leave it at that.
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No problem. Some idiots find the truth irrational. (Just kidding!)
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2/26/2008  5:59 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm trying to figure out who claimed that Marcus Williams would threaten to be an all star?

I remember this one idiot named Islesfan who said Marcus Williams was a lottery talent who was the starting PG for the next ten years.

Speaking of, Who has had a worst 2nd season, marcus Williams or Chaning Frye?

oohah

Glad to see you could take your fingers off, or is it out of, your Channing Frye blowup doll to come join the conversation.

Glad to see that you were able to remove your dildo named Isiah from your anus long enough to admit you have no answer and have therefore conceded that Frye in his second year was better than Williams has been in his second year.

Inarguable.

Wait a second...you didn't remove Isiah from your anus when you replied did you?

Come on mini-Isiah, answer the question: Wasn't it you who said that Williams was a lottery talent who was a starting PG for the next ten years?

What do yo think Rod Thorn think about that?

Man-up and prove that you aren't just an internet avatar squealing for attention...

Marcus Williams is having a horrible year + you starting a nut-hugging thread about him = dumbest post ever!

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 26-02-2008 06:20 AM]
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2/26/2008  6:06 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Marcus Williams has been injured his second season. Channing wasn't and when he was on the court, played like a freaking P**sy. I could count on both of my hands, how many times he did something aggresive all year last season. It was very dissapointing.

Frye was injured early in his second season as well, spraining his ankle badly. When he came back he shot over 45% percent and averaged about 6 boards, whether you want to characterize his play as aggressive or not.

Marcus Williams now has had 30 available games under his belt and will finish the season with close to 60 games he could play in so the injury excuse is not relevant.

This is just the usual routine of killing our own players while making excuses for others. Rod thorn obviously doesn't have the same belief in Williams that pervades this board since he will be turning the PG over to Harris.

Williams had had every advantage. He had a backup PG spot handed to him and he has lost it twice to journeyman players. He plays on a team with great finishers and scorers. He has had the best PG of the past 15 years to mentor him.

Say what you want about Frye, He had a better rookie season than M Williams, and he had a better second season than Williams unless Williams just goes nuts from here on out. And that was playing out of position, something that Williams has never had to do.

If you want to be fair and judge them by the same standard: Consider that you found Frye so terrible, that means that Marcus Williams has been absolute dog-turd this season.

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[Edited by - oohah on 26-02-2008 06:25 AM]
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2/26/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm trying to figure out who claimed that Marcus Williams would threaten to be an all star?

I remember this one idiot named Islesfan who said Marcus Williams was a lottery talent who was the starting PG for the next ten years.

Speaking of, Who has had a worst 2nd season, marcus Williams or Chaning Frye?

oohah

Glad to see you could take your fingers off, or is it out of, your Channing Frye blowup doll to come join the conversation.

Glad to see that you were able to remove your dildo named Isiah from your anus long enough to admit you have no answer and have therefore conceded that Frye in his second year was better than Williams has been in his second year.

Inarguable.

Wait a second...you didn't remove Isiah from your anus when you replied did you?

Come on mini-Isiah, answer the question: Wasn't it you who said that Williams was a lottery talent who was a starting PG for the next ten years?

What do yo think Rod Thorn think about that?

Man-up and prove that you aren't just an internet avatar squealing for attention...

Marcus Williams is having a horrible year + you starting a nut-hugging thread about him = dumbest post ever!

oohah
[Edited by - oohah on 26-02-2008 06:20 AM]

You're nowhere near as funny as I am.

Inarguable.

Just for laughs:

Andrew Bynum's second year numbers: 7.8 pts, 5.9 rebs, 1.1 asts, 0.5 blks and 0.1 stls
Channing Frye's second year numbers: 9.5 pts, 5.5 rebs, 0.9 asts, 0.6 blks and 0.5 stls

Who would every sane person, with any knowledge of the NBA, pick today? I'm sure you'd rather compare a PG who was hurt in the beginning of the year and then buried behind an All NBA PG. It figures that you would want to compare numbers for someone averaging 26 minutes a game to someone averaging only 12 minutes. But don't let me stop you from comparing apples to oranges in a desperate attempt to prove that you have a point.
Wasn't it you who said that Williams was a lottery talent who was a starting PG for the next ten years?

I don't remember saying that, although it certainly sounds like something that most NBA analysts were saying in their mock drafts and analysis. I do know that this is what you said though:

"Actually, whether or not Balkman, Williams, or anyone else was considered a lottery pick is irrelevant.

Apparently now it's relevant to you.

What does Rod Thorn think about that? Well he just traded away his all star PG and in entrusting his team to 2 good young PG's. What does Jerry Colangelo Jr. think about having 2 good young PG's? What exactly is your point?

Channing Frye + you saying that he will threaten to be an all star in any year much less his 2nd season = dumbest post ever and it's not even close. The fact that numerous people still ridicule you for that, 2 years later and it's not going away anytime soon, just proves my point.

Are you getting tired of having me make you look like a complete fool yet? The way you sweat me, I'm guessing no.
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2/26/2008  11:51 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Marcus Williams has been injured his second season. Channing wasn't and when he was on the court, played like a freaking P**sy. I could count on both of my hands, how many times he did something aggresive all year last season. It was very dissapointing.

Frye was injured early in his second season as well, spraining his ankle badly. When he came back he shot over 45% percent and averaged about 6 boards, whether you want to characterize his play as aggressive or not.

Marcus Williams now has had 30 available games under his belt and will finish the season with close to 60 games he could play in so the injury excuse is not relevant.

This is just the usual routine of killing our own players while making excuses for others. Rod thorn obviously doesn't have the same belief in Williams that pervades this board since he will be turning the PG over to Harris.

Williams had had every advantage. He had a backup PG spot handed to him and he has lost it twice to journeyman players. He plays on a team with great finishers and scorers. He has had the best PG of the past 15 years to mentor him.

Say what you want about Frye, He had a better rookie season than M Williams, and he had a better second season than Williams unless Williams just goes nuts from here on out. And that was playing out of position, something that Williams has never had to do.

If you want to be fair and judge them by the same standard: Consider that you found Frye so terrible, that means that Marcus Williams has been absolute dog-turd this season.

oohah
[Edited by - oohah on 26-02-2008 06:25 AM]

Absolutely hysterical. He wants everyone else to "be fair and judge them by the same standard" while he doesn't even come close to doing that.

According to him:

26 minutes a game = 12 minutes a game

Being stuck behind Jason Kidd = Getting 59 starts while competing for minutes against Malik Rose, Jared Jeffries and Kelvin Cato

Yeah, that's fair.

Sheesh
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2/26/2008  12:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Marcus Williams has been injured his second season. Channing wasn't and when he was on the court, played like a freaking P**sy. I could count on both of my hands, how many times he did something aggresive all year last season. It was very dissapointing.

Frye was injured early in his second season as well, spraining his ankle badly. When he came back he shot over 45% percent and averaged about 6 boards, whether you want to characterize his play as aggressive or not.

Marcus Williams now has had 30 available games under his belt and will finish the season with close to 60 games he could play in so the injury excuse is not relevant.

This is just the usual routine of killing our own players while making excuses for others. Rod thorn obviously doesn't have the same belief in Williams that pervades this board since he will be turning the PG over to Harris.

Williams had had every advantage. He had a backup PG spot handed to him and he has lost it twice to journeyman players. He plays on a team with great finishers and scorers. He has had the best PG of the past 15 years to mentor him.

Say what you want about Frye, He had a better rookie season than M Williams, and he had a better second season than Williams unless Williams just goes nuts from here on out. And that was playing out of position, something that Williams has never had to do.

If you want to be fair and judge them by the same standard: Consider that you found Frye so terrible, that means that Marcus Williams has been absolute dog-turd this season.

oohah
[Edited by - oohah on 26-02-2008 06:25 AM]

Absolutely hysterical. He wants everyone else to "be fair and judge them by the same standard" while he doesn't even come close to doing that.

According to him:

26 minutes a game = 12 minutes a game

Being stuck behind Jason Kidd = Getting 59 starts while competing for minutes against Malik Rose, Jared Jeffries and Kelvin Cato

Yeah, that's fair.

Sheesh


I mentioned this several posts back when fans post highlights of Bynum, Marcus Williams, Tyrus Thomas, Noah, Sean Williams, Boone, etc etc one should consider the environment in which they are playing(e.g. who they are playing behind or how many minutes they are playing)

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-26-2008 11:15 AM]
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Posted by TrueBlue:

I mentioned this several posts back when fans post highlights of Bynum, Marcus Williams, Tyrus Thomas, Noah, Sean Williams, Boone, etc etc one should consider the environment in which they are playing(e.g. who they are playing behind or how many minutes they are playing)

please, if anything Marcus has every advantage being able to learn how to play the position by watching a guy like Kidd & away from all the negativity & sideshow circus that goes on over at MSG... over his short NBA career he's averaged the same amount of MPG as Balkman, so please, enough w/the ridiculous double standard ways of measuring performance.... neither one of them have done much to distinguish themselves in the league cuz neither have yet gotten any real opportunity to do so.

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2/26/2008  2:39 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I mentioned this several posts back when fans post highlights of Bynum, Marcus Williams, Tyrus Thomas, Noah, Sean Williams, Boone, etc etc one should consider the environment in which they are playing(e.g. who they are playing behind or how many minutes they are playing)

please, if anything Marcus has every advantage being able to learn how to play the position by watching a guy like Kidd & away from all the negativity & sideshow circus that goes on over at MSG... over his short NBA career he's averaged the same amount of MPG as Balkman, so please, enough w/the ridiculous double standard ways of measuring performance.... neither one of them have done much to distinguish themselves in the league cuz neither have yet gotten any real opportunity to do so.

Which is harder to do: being an energy guy off the bench or learning how to be an NBA PG and run an offense?
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2/26/2008  2:44 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I mentioned this several posts back when fans post highlights of Bynum, Marcus Williams, Tyrus Thomas, Noah, Sean Williams, Boone, etc etc one should consider the environment in which they are playing(e.g. who they are playing behind or how many minutes they are playing)

please, if anything Marcus has every advantage being able to learn how to play the position by watching a guy like Kidd & away from all the negativity & sideshow circus that goes on over at MSG... over his short NBA career he's averaged the same amount of MPG as Balkman, so please, enough w/the ridiculous double standard ways of measuring performance.... neither one of them have done much to distinguish themselves in the league cuz neither have yet gotten any real opportunity to do so.

Which is harder to do: being an energy guy off the bench or learning how to be an NBA PG and run an offense?

Teaching Balkman to not flagrant foul opponents because of his own insecurities is the hardest.
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2/27/2008  6:17 AM
You're nowhere near as funny as I am.

Inarguable.

Just for laughs:

Andrew Bynum's second year numbers: 7.8 pts, 5.9 rebs, 1.1 asts, 0.5 blks and 0.1 stls
Channing Frye's second year numbers: 9.5 pts, 5.5 rebs, 0.9 asts, 0.6 blks and 0.5 stls

Who would every sane person, with any knowledge of the NBA, pick today? I'm sure you'd rather compare a PG who was hurt in the beginning of the year and then buried behind an All NBA PG. It figures that you would want to compare numbers for someone averaging 26 minutes a game to someone averaging only 12 minutes. But don't let me stop you from comparing apples to oranges in a desperate attempt to prove that you have a point.

Bynum? Now you're really trying to obfuscate the issue. We were talking about Williams and then you brought up Frye. Now you're bringing up BYnum because you know you have no lweg to stand on with williams.

Sucker.

***

So to recap: You're making excuses for stat-whore Williams because he was injured, but you made no such excuses for Frye who was injured twice or Balkman who was injured twice.

You say that Williams produces when he gets consistent time but you fail to mention that Frye, Robinson, Balkman, Lee (And just about every player in the league) all produce with consistent time. So what is your point? Oh, no point.

Foolishly trying to bolster argument, you bring up that Williams hasn't had a chance to produce because he averaged 12 minutes because he was buried behind Kidd (Which is BS.), but fail to mention that he was getting beat out for minutes not by Jason Kidd, but by Eddie "new-team-every-year" House and 90-year old Darrel Armstrong.

By the way, they tried to play Williams alongside Kidd in the same backcourt. They tried everything to get him going. Williams sucked.

Soon Williams is going to be behind all-NBA(As you'll tell it) Devin Harris, and probably Darrel "All-world" Armstrong.

Please explain to me since you're so smart, how come Thorn went out and picked up Devin Harris to replace Kidd instead of turning the team over to superstar Marcus Williams? Why is Harris inked in as the starter without ever having played a minute?

***

Recap 2:

1) Williams languished on the bench because he could not beat out Eddie House and Darrel Armstrong and will now keep the bench warm for Harris.
2) You say Williams has sucked because he gets no minutes, and you say every young Knick get no minutes because they suck.
3) Williams is already replaced by an at-best inconsistent Harris, so we already know what Thorn and Frank think of Williams, making any point you have made (I'm being quite generous to you.) moot.
4) You really can't argue Williams VS. Frye in the second year of their careers, or any of the other young Knick players for that matter, so you will continue to bring in other players and generally avoid making any coherent point.

Do you even watch basketball?

Now, please resume offering your orifices to your Marcus Williams in a speedo pinup poster collection.

oohah


[Edited by - oohah on 27-02-2008 06:53 AM]
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Absolutely hysterical. He wants everyone else to "be fair and judge them by the same standard" while he doesn't even come close to doing that.

According to him:

26 minutes a game = 12 minutes a game

Being stuck behind Jason Kidd = Getting 59 starts while competing for minutes against Malik Rose, Jared Jeffries and Kelvin Cato

Yeah, that's fair.

Sheesh

Absolutely hysterical. "Islesfan" wants to make excuses for his man-crush Williams shortcomings and act like he has had some tough situation playing behind Kidd with 2 of the best wing players and finishers in basketball to pass to.

Did you guys notice that "Islefan" did not post in this thread 4 days ago when "Superstar Travis Diener" sodomized Williams to the tune of 19 points, 9 Assists, and 8 rebounds? But then he shows up when Williams amasses some assists but plays the rest of the game horribly?

That's just "Islesfan"'s usual craven and grossly unintelligent routine. He is just a routine, not really a human.

"Islesfan", the routine, wants everyone to forget that Marcus Williams was borne into a better situation than any recent Knick rookie:

A.) Having a backup PG position handed to him without having to work for it.
B.) Having Jason Kidd to mentor him and bear all pressure to perform, and get production from the PG spot.
C.) Having Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson, Kidd, Krstic etc. to throw it to.


You're right, my petite canine: "Islesfan". It is apples to oranges. Williams has had no excuse to not nail down the backup PG and be head and shoulders better than any young Knick, who are all in tough spots with no stars to bear the pressure for them.

Williams should have been the starting PG when Kidd left if he had the goods that you still insist he has. You're wrong. lemme repeat: You're wrong.

"Islesfan", You have no case, none whatsoever, to say Williams is better than any Knick pick the past 3 years, including Ariza. You said he was star material, a lottery player who we let slip through our fingers, and "The starting PG for the next ten years".

You just failed to mention that the league Williams would be a star in was the NBADl or the Euro-league, and the team he would be starting for is the Yakima Sun-Kings or Il Masseggero.

A Marcus Williams Nuthugger still survives. Now I done seen it all. Has Williams had his third good game of the season yet? Hopefully he will get to 5 or 6 good games. That will be a smashing success in your world.

So stop nuthugging and admit you're wrong.

oohah




[Edited by - oohah on 27-02-2008 06:46 AM]
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Martin and Andrew: Please review this thread. Anyone that has defended Marcus Williams, Renaldo Balkman or Channing Frye should be immediately banned from this site
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Posted by oohah:
Absolutely hysterical. He wants everyone else to "be fair and judge them by the same standard" while he doesn't even come close to doing that.

According to him:

26 minutes a game = 12 minutes a game

Being stuck behind Jason Kidd = Getting 59 starts while competing for minutes against Malik Rose, Jared Jeffries and Kelvin Cato

Yeah, that's fair.

Sheesh

Absolutely hysterical. "Islesfan" wants to make excuses for his man-crush Williams shortcomings and act like he has had some tough situation playing behind Kidd with 2 of the best wing players and finishers in basketball to pass to.

Did you guys notice that "Islefan" did not post in this thread 4 days ago when "Superstar Travis Diener" sodomized Williams to the tune of 19 points, 9 Assists, and 8 rebounds? But then he shows up when Williams amasses some assists but plays the rest of the game horribly?

That's just "Islesfan"'s usual craven and grossly unintelligent routine. He is just a routine, not really a human.

"Islesfan", the routine, wants everyone to forget that Marcus Williams was borne into a better situation than any recent Knick rookie:

A.) Having a backup PG position handed to him without having to work for it.
B.) Having Jason Kidd to mentor him and bear all pressure to perform, and get production from the PG spot.
C.) Having Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson, Kidd, Krstic etc. to throw it to.


You're right, my petite canine: "Islesfan". It is apples to oranges. Williams has had no excuse to not nail down the backup PG and be head and shoulders better than any young Knick, who are all in tough spots with no stars to bear the pressure for them.

Williams should have been the starting PG when Kidd left if he had the goods that you still insist he has. You're wrong. lemme repeat: You're wrong.

"Islesfan", You have no case, none whatsoever, to say Williams is better than any Knick pick the past 3 years, including Ariza. You said he was star material, a lottery player who we let slip through our fingers, and "The starting PG for the next ten years".

You just failed to mention that the league Williams would be a star in was the NBADl or the Euro-league, and the team he would be starting for is the Yakima Sun-Kings or Il Masseggero.

A Marcus Williams Nuthugger still survives. Now I done seen it all. Has Williams had his third good game of the season yet? Hopefully he will get to 5 or 6 good games. That will be a smashing success in your world.

So stop nuthugging and admit you're wrong.

oohah
[Edited by - oohah on 27-02-2008 06:46 AM]

Is there any doubt that I've, once again, gotten the best of this deranged person? Can anybody not picture him trembling with anger and hate as he typed that garbage?

Now he's resorting to claiming that people have called Marcus Williams a "superstar". Wow, more desperate lies.
Did you guys notice that "Islefan" did not post in this thread 4 days ago when "Superstar Travis Diener" sodomized Williams to the tune of 19 points, 9 Assists, and 8 rebounds? But then he shows up when Williams amasses some assists but plays the rest of the game horribly?

I also didn't post anything about the game where you were forced to give Williams the backhanded compliment, "he had a pretty good game numbers-wise". But I wouldn't expect you to be fair about that. Just more misrepresentations from a desperate person.

Although, if anybody knows anything about sodomizing, it would be oohah.
Bynum? Now you're really trying to obfuscate the issue. We were talking about Williams and then you brought up Frye. Now you're bringing up BYnum because you know you have no lweg to stand on with williams.

This from the guy who started the comparisons to Channing Frye, the object of his desires and lust, and his 59 starts. Before that, Frye was only brought up in regards to oohah's laughable, and often ridiculed, claim that he would "threaten" to be an all star. I guess oohah's massive ego got hurt, again, and he got all 3rd grade on us with his "MY CHANNING CAN BEAT UP YOUR MARCUS WILLIAMS!"

Pathetic.

I'll respond to his other lies and misrepresentations later.
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