Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

alot was made of lb's lineup changes as people did not know their roles on the team.

last year, we saw eddy established as the "centerpiece". his role was to get the ball all the time down the court and score in the post. he wasn't asked to defend, he was asked to stay on the court and score. our guards knew how to play with him.

david lee came off the bench, got 30 mins and put up a double double. he knew he was getting those mins night in and night out so he knew his role.

trading for zach brought back the aire of instability and changed the definition of both eddy and lee's role.

the point is not whether we got a better player in the deal. the point is how does trading for zach impact the team. does it make the team better or does it make it worse.

curry doesn't know his role. he gets the ball sometimes, but when he doesn't, there's nothing else. and now people are asking for him to be benched.

lee is now reduced to 20 mins a night, some nights 15. he doesn't know when he's gonna get minutes.

you want to say zach is the best big man we have? ok, fine.
you want to say adding zach adds "healthy" competition? ok, fine.

but ADDING zach makes eddy and lee expendable, which meant we STILL haven't established a core and a chemsitry b/c we are constantly changing the roles of our bigs.

it also tells me isiah doesn't have that much confidence in our "centerpiece" and dlee. so again, we're in this constant cycle of rotating pieces trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

the zach trade = NO STABILITY AGAIN.

DJ...I just amazed we are getting this from you...We were a 33 win team last year...We need improvement from every position....Lee and Curry was good last year but we were still a 33 win team....Zack is better than both...

How is it possible the guy who has played the hardest for the Knicks this year gets the most flack because this team does not have a winning record...How is it possible...

Zack has replaced Marbs as a lightening rod of anger on this board...How is it possible???

I think you are misrepresenting the conversation. Nobody is blaming Zach. Most of us who are disgruntled have been for years already, from well before Zach was here. We just see Zach as a continuation of the ills that have plagued us.

Some of you seem to be trying to set Zach apart from Marbury, Francis, TT, Taylor, Curry, Crawford, et al, while others of us group him.

You used to like a lot of those players, but lately you don't (you call them quitters and you've intimated you want big changes) I could be wrong but I suspect in time the same will be the case with your feelings for Zach.

I will always defend the people on the team who plays hard and who hasn't gotten a real shot to prove themselves...Right now that is only Zack, even if you don't like the trade...



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-02-2007 1:35 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 12-02-2007 1:36 PM]

Zack has replaced Marbs as a lightening rod of anger on this board...How is it possible???

Ain't that the truth and the guy has only played 12 games Wow I think we've set a new record even for Knick fans. Zach is the quickest Knick player to be summarily hated.

This has been my experience with most of the big named "talents" Isiah has brought us, and I expect Zach to be no exception:

Posted by djsunyc:

alot was made of lb's lineup changes as people did not know their roles on the team.

last year, we saw eddy established as the "centerpiece". his role was to get the ball all the time down the court and score in the post. he wasn't asked to defend, he was asked to stay on the court and score. our guards knew how to play with him.

david lee came off the bench, got 30 mins and put up a double double. he knew he was getting those mins night in and night out so he knew his role.

trading for zach brought back the aire of instability and changed the definition of both eddy and lee's role.

the point is not whether we got a better player in the deal. the point is how does trading for zach impact the team. does it make the team better or does it make it worse.

curry doesn't know his role. he gets the ball sometimes, but when he doesn't, there's nothing else. and now people are asking for him to be benched.

lee is now reduced to 20 mins a night, some nights 15. he doesn't know when he's gonna get minutes.

you want to say zach is the best big man we have? ok, fine.
you want to say adding zach adds "healthy" competition? ok, fine.

but ADDING zach makes eddy and lee expendable, which meant we STILL haven't established a core and a chemsitry b/c we are constantly changing the roles of our bigs.

it also tells me isiah doesn't have that much confidence in our "centerpiece" and dlee. so again, we're in this constant cycle of rotating pieces trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

the zach trade = NO STABILITY AGAIN.

As usual DJ, you've brought some sanity to the conversation.

Posted by holfresh:


Oppss...I never maned up..I'm one of the idiots who liked the Zack trade...I would make that trade again and twice on sundays...

which makes you an idiot three times a week.

Posted by nyk4ever:

I posted it in the other Zach thread but it deserves its place here too...

"Zach Randolph isn't a guy you can win with."
-Dan Majerle

The funny thing about that is how he then proceded to talk about how he was a big Curry fan. He then asked why Curry was getting less than 6 rebounds a game.

This guy sees the knicks play about twice a year, what the hell does he know. The fact that maybe he has scene Zach Randolph play a few more times than Curry does not give any weight to his opinion. Besides, Randolph has been on some real crappy teams including this one. He also had 5 or 6 assists tonight, while playing somewhat selfish at the same time. There is definetely some potential here. I don't think Curry has had 5 assists in a game once in his career.

now we have his $15/year contract for 3 more years...isiah, what have you done to this team?

Look Frye and Francis suck. Randolph at least has some ability. Jones is the sleeper in that deal!

Are Randolph and Curry dominating the NBA yet?

I'm starting to get the feeling that Zach isn't 13 million dollars well spent afterall.

Posted by BlueSeats:

we are so stuck with so many contracts and so little chance to get real talent.

And I thought I was the only one who understood what stuck meant. Wow' after over 4,000 hits, someone else finally said it.