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fishmike
Posts: 53903 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
8/1/2007 7:16 AM
Knicks have been a win now team for 3 years and have 33, 23 and 33 wins to show for it.
But at least we didnt include Frye in any KG proposals a years ago.. so there's always that  "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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EnySpree
Posts: 44925 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
8/1/2007 7:22 AM
Posted by babyKnicks: The people have spoken! Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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Solace
Posts: 30004 Alba Posts: 20 Joined: 10/30/2003 Member: #479 USA |
8/1/2007 7:36 AM
Posted by COSSUCKS: Generally, yeah, that's a below-average NBA player. He could be a role player that does one thing well which is why he's on NBA rosters, but certainly not starter material. The Knicks 2026 NBA Champions!
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COSSUCKS
Posts: 20984 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/15/2007 Member: #1569 |
8/1/2007 8:17 AM
Posted by Solace:Posted by COSSUCKS: Well thats Bruce Bowen a starter on several Spurs Championship teams. Like I said if a over all stat cant even tell you the difference between a good player a a bad player than its got too many holes. |
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Solace
Posts: 30004 Alba Posts: 20 Joined: 10/30/2003 Member: #479 USA |
8/1/2007 8:41 AM
Posted by COSSUCKS: I said generally, but does one thing very well which is why he's on an NBA roster. Bruce Bowen does one thing well -- he's an excellent defender. If he was an average defender, he wouldn't even be in the NBA. Point taken that the stat isn't perfect. I think defensive players get severely gipped with the stats that we normally use to determine defense. Those being blocks and steals. There's a lot more to defense. I would like to see stats more like "altered shots", "tips", "travels caused", "turnovers caused", etc... which might be a better indication. So I certainly agree that PER isn't perfect, but a cumulative stat can only be as good as the stats it is based off of -- and many of those just aren't granular enough. The Knicks 2026 NBA Champions!
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EnySpree
Posts: 44925 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
8/1/2007 9:13 AM
Isiah, isiah, isiah.
Why the hell did you trade for marbury? Why? Cuz he was a 20/8 point guard that was from nyc. Was he a throw away ******* that had a history of rubbing people the wrong way? Yes! Still he was available. Can't fault isiah for picking him up. Craw? The dude was a 50pt scorer. Mega talented 2 guard up and coming. Isiah signed and traded him cuz the bulls wanted to sickle on jay Williams nut sack. The knicks got him fairly cheap. Did craw ever see a shot he didn't like? No! The guy is still a nice talent. All people wanna talk about is defense but the bastard is still an awesome offensive talent. Yeah his percentages suck but he is a cold blooded killer. I think it evens out. The knicks are better with craw as the starter and he keeps proving it. Can the knicks do better? You show me a player the knicks can get for him right now that is a better 2 guard. NOBODY is that much better and available!!! Like solace says "no disrespect" but shut the **** up then!!! Isiah took a chance on Q. His back looked fine playing with pheonix. Of course Q falls apart as a knick. The guy is the same age as craw. He isn't old. I think isiah made the right choice. Q has the talent and the personality to be a nice player. Pheonix thought so when they signed him. Bad luck knicks!!! I blame that on the haters. Too much bad vibes!!! Bad energy has cursed the knicks. Eddy curry has been a suprise. Yeah he was traded for 2 lotterys. Ask Danny ainge how fair the lottery is. Better yet ask the grizzlies. Everyone hates curry cuz he isn't Patrick ewing on defense and on the boards. The guy was a poorly coached high school kid. Isiah is the first person to coach him. Currys potential is still big. He has so much to learn and ways to get better. That's only the stuff he's good at! He hasn't perfected those things yet. If he can perfect his strengths and just get a little but better on his weaknesses, the knicks have a FORCE!!! They already have a guy that's getting triple teamed and he doesn't even know what he's doing yet. When he does and he will who will stop him? Zach Randolph was traded for a guy that was gonna get bought put regardless, and a guy who's best skill is that he's a nice guy. Gangster! Zach is a 20/10 player. People here wanna argue about it but its too stupid to argue about. If you don't think zach is gonna make the knicks better, then what will? Larry brown!!! I left him last. If he is available you have to get him. He wanted to come to ny. It was his dream job. Isiah went to his house and ate with his family. Everyone thought it was a good idea. Brown is the one that pissed away the season starting off by having Frye on the inactive list and starting Davis, Barnes, and Q with curry and marbs. To top that off he didn't want marbs to shoot!!! With that line-up, who is else is gonna score? Fuck him. Anyway, this is a happy thread. Positive vibrations, yeah!!!! Going forward the knicks need some positivity. Anybody see the care bears movie? Here me out. At the end this bastard was gonna die, and just the love and caring hearts of the charecters and even help from the people watching the movie, chanting " we care!" save that bastard and it was a happy ending. The knicks haven't announced a slogan for the season yet. I propose that the phrase "we care!" be shown with little stuffed animals with knick logos on their bellys! Anybody with photoshop? Get on this right now!!!! Oh baby I'm getting the spirit againah!!! Can I get a witnessah!!!! The knicks will make the playoffsah! And they will make it to the NBA finalsah! They will beat mike breens favorite materbation inspiration in the western conferenceah! Mike breen will have to look at the knicks deskah! He will see gus and Clyde cheering like bitches and get a faint feelingah! He will look at his Espn partners and catch a glimpse of his wife Joey Crawford as he sits in the standsah!!! Its too much for breen, so he runs to mid court and in a loud shout he will say, "its not supposed to go this way!". Breen will then blow his brains out in an effort to taint the knicks championship as the day mike blew his brains out on national TVah! Sorry I was side tracked a little but you get the pointah! In the name of old man knickerbocker!!! Go knicks! Go knicks! Go knicks! Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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djsunyc
Posts: 44929 Alba Posts: 42 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #536 |
8/1/2007 9:21 AM
Posted by EnySpree:Posted by babyKnicks: |
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Panos
Posts: 30712 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2004 Member: #520 |
8/1/2007 9:28 AM
I think anyone who posts the same 3 times should be banned.
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Marv
Posts: 35574 Alba Posts: 69 Joined: 9/2/2002 Member: #315 |
8/1/2007 9:30 AM
Posted by EnySpree: wow. it's time for rvhoss to lend eny his straightjacket. i'll tell you what tho man. when this season starts i'm gonna be totally behind these knicks. i want them to go out and fight and live up to their potential. We can argue our asses off now but it's all just idle talk. if isiah gives the minutes to the deserving and these guys bust it we'll have a squad worth backing. i can't wait to take it to those ringless preening superstars in boston. |
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misterearl
Posts: 38786 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/16/2004 Member: #799 USA |
8/1/2007 9:36 AM
Cue The Quincy Jones Theme Music
For another episode of EnySpree and Sons EnySpree Sanford: you big dummy solace, can't you see I'm trying to enjoy the game in peace? Solmont: "but Pop..." EnySpree: "... don't call me pop... and did you just say Bruce Bowen?... Bruce Bowen...? Aunt NixLuva Esther: "...why Solace you beady eyed heathen... you need to come to church down at 2 Penn Plaza more often... you could even join the choir with me and the ladies... but no, you want to talk about Bruce Bowen...? ...if I wasn't such a church goin' woman I'd have a mind to... EnySpree Sanford: "you better back up sucka..." Aunt NixLuva Esther: ...but I can't... because even my dear sister Elizabeth was a Knicks fan... ...ho Glory!!!" [Edited by - misterearl on 08-01-2007 09:42 AM] once a knick always a knick
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
8/1/2007 10:43 AM
Posted by Solace: PER is probably the best available statistic but it doesn't take into account help defense, man to man defense, and hustle play (basically the things Zach is really bad at). Dwight and CB4 justifiably earned all-star spots over Zach. But Zach is still a good player and 10th or 11th among PFs is nothing to be ashamed about like you said. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/1/2007 11:24 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:Posted by Solace: The thing about Zach and Lee is that they both rate out vey well in tangible stats and thus both are top 15 PF's per minute played. Whether Howard and Bosh are better players or not isn't really the point. My point is that we have 3 guys in Curry, Zach and Lee who have BIG impacts on the game. This can't be refuted. Our bigs are gonna be really good and that's a reason to be happy about this team. TrueBlue tried to rip me for using PER as if I was saying it was the end all and be all of determining a players worth. I said nothing of the kind. It's a good stat, but not perfect. It also doesn't take into account a players intangibles, like defense or in Curry's case how he has to be defended. How many guys in this league demand the kind of attention on D that he does? Not many. He's a lopsided mismatch against most defenders and since he's so close to the basket and so efficient inside teams have no choice but to send multiple defenders at him. If you don't he's gonna score at a 60%+ clip and wear out your bigs. Curry, Zach & Lee don't help defend very well. This won't show up in a PER stat. Still we just need those guys to give more effort in the team concept and I suspect that they'll be more than OK. Let's face it, this is never gonna be a great defensive team, but at least we have some decent defenders coming off the bench. We need to concentrate on better team D. If we simply cut down on our TO's and tigten up our defense of the 3pt line, that alone should help us to win more games. Teams will have a tough time stopping us, but we have to give an improved effort to try and slow teams down ourselves. |
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kam77
Posts: 27664 Alba Posts: 25 Joined: 3/17/2004 Member: #634 |
8/1/2007 11:50 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:Posted by Solace: Not true PER includes Steals, Blocks, and Rebounds which are all characteristic of Hustle and Defense. If you take Steals and Blocks and Rebounds out of PER, Zach would rate even higher (though he is a good rebounder already). But PER has other problems: It cannot quantify such intangible qualities as leadership, durability, etc. The projections also don't include defense beyond blocks, steals and fouls, partly because the league has opted to make this area a void in terms of stats. In this way, invaluable lock down defenders such as Bruce Bowen, who simply shut down their assigned man and either hold them to a low field goal percentage (or prevent them from getting off shots at all), are not well reflected by PER. lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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