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2/8/2007  10:42 PM
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Posted by bitty41:

Hey people don't call Curry fat he's voluptuous. All those luscious cruves de-licious

hahahahahahahaha, spoken like a true lady, Bitty.

In all seriousness, who cares what he says. Eddie, if you want Isiah to stay, play some defense so we can get Jerome out of the friggin' starting lineup.

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Marv, after my brilliant signature, I give you your passage way to fame, and this is what I get? I'm gonna pretend that I'm gonna dunk on you right now..........

then you better pretend i'm blocking it like the big game rising to the rafters . . .

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2/9/2007  5:38 AM
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Well if you stop grouping me into disliking a whole group of players based on what I just said about one, then maybe we can get somewhere.
I said all this and you pick out one little thing. Ok. Go back to my post and read it and this time substitute it to say "Eddy" instead of "this group of players" and then respond. Actually, let me post it for you myself.


you forget that the guy making the decisions is at the other end of the spectrum. There is absolutely no middle ground. You hate Eddy and give him no chance. They like they and want to give him plenty of time to prove/disprove. If you the neo-con, they are the Daily Kos.

I'm surprised how Isiah inspires loyalty in people. Its hard to this in real life with regular people. To do this with 24 year old millionaires is damn near impossible. Eddy is not going anywhere and it looks like neither is Isiah.

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12-07-2006 11:11 AM Show Profile Edit Post Reply with Quote Delete Reply Curry's playing great in a system Isiah didn't want to/plan on playing making him switch up stategies yet again and making some of the personel he acquired a bad fit.

I give Curry all the credit in the world. He is playing up to the potential I always thought he had but never thought he'd reach because I didn't think he'd get his head straight.
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Caron Butler
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Curry
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Yeah, Silver. I said Curry had the second most potential in the league from some other young big men Solace listed, I voted him to the All-Star game, and think he has amazingly high potential. You have to really start differentiating between disappointment and hate.
So if you are giving him all this credit, what upsets you about him saying something nice about Isiah? They asked him how he would react and he said what he said! Disappointment? After Curry turned around his entire season in 2 months? You want him to improve overnight? What exactly is your beef with him sticking up for his coach? The dude played consistently on offense for 2 months so now he can say something nice about his coach.

I mean, these guys didn't like their coach last year and we got on them for that. Now they say something nice about their coach and you still want to get on them? Are you sure you are just disappointed? Maybe you have to "really start differentiating."

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 02-08-2007 10:42 PM]

My problem is he is hasn't even played well for a full half of a season let alone a full season. Build some cred before you pull stuff like this. I understand his loyalty to Isiah, but this is they type of selfishness that the young guys are learning. This is what happens when young players see that after whining about and quitting on the coach the coach gets fired and the players get what they want. Now you have a team of guys who think they can pull stuff like that and get what they want. This team is just starting to play well. Apparently shutting up and letting their playing do the talking (and if they play well, Isiah gets to keep his job anyway) escapes these guys.

And Silver, seriously, stop telling me what I think. It is really getting old and a bit annoying. You seem to think I have this vendetta against Curry and I don't. Do go back and read my threads about buying into Curry during that 10 game 20 point streak. I am loving the way Curry's playing. He is even rebounding well (now if he could just block a shot our two-which at his size he should be able to block a shot a game by accident).

As for getting on the player-I haven't been on the players in a while. However when they do something stupid-such as this-that embarasses the organization, and make it look foolish, I have a right to get annoyed and point out how absolutely stupid the action is.

You were one of the biggest guys that complained about Larry airing his gripes in the media. But it's ok for Curry to come out into the media-whether he was only anwering a question or not- and say he only cares about the Knicks if Isiah is here? You're ok with that?

P.S.-Dolan needs to seriously consider taking a day a week and offering some of these guys on the team (GM included) a "how to handle the press" pr class.
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2/9/2007  6:01 AM
These are just some of the post I had
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....18-8-1 are great numbers for Curry to aim at, although I don't think he'll put up Bosh/Howard/Ok4 type overall numbers, my hope/expectations for him rest somewhere in the 22-8-2 range(that is sort of in the Ilgauskis range) while being at the very least adequate from the line (70%).

Personally I don't expect huge rebounding numbers from Curry(he has small hands and relatively short arms when compared to some of the best rebounders(KG, Wallace, Howard, Marion)).

I would love Curry to average the set of numbers you gave. I would hope he can average closer to my set because I think that is more a true fulfillment of his potential. The best part is now people are seeing the motivation to reach that level, not the apathy he has shown in the past.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=18573&page=2
You would be correct. I thought at one point he was better, but that leads into a another direction. If Curry only finishes on the same level as Big Z, I'll be disappointed.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=18573&page=2
Once again, without bringing down Curry, he is capable of being better than Yao, IMO. Other than Duncan, Shaq, and Yao, all the players you mentioned can mentioned as perimeter players too.

Duncan is a center, IMO, also. At least that is what he is playing this year.

The potential I see in Curry is very high, as long as he's motivated. I believe if he is motivated he can get on the same level as most of the players you mentioned.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=18573&page=3

And Silver in this same thread you get on me for having expectations that are too high for Curry:
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Thats not fair joe. I mean, you are getting mad at him for not being as good as Ducan, Shaq and Yao because you think he can be that good? These guys are all time greats! Thats just unfair.

And do you see where I am coming from when I got mad at Houston for not playing defense or not driving more? Why do you give some players a pass but get tough on some other players? Why aren't you consistent?
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2/9/2007  9:34 AM
Posted by joec32033:

My problem is he is hasn't even played well for a full half of a season let alone a full season. Build some cred before you pull stuff like this. I understand his loyalty to Isiah, but this is they type of selfishness that the young guys are learning. This is what happens when young players see that after whining about and quitting on the coach the coach gets fired and the players get what they want. Now you have a team of guys who think they can pull stuff like that and get what they want. This team is just starting to play well. Apparently shutting up and letting their playing do the talking (and if they play well, Isiah gets to keep his job anyway) escapes these guys.
Joe, they asked him to comment on it! The dude misspoke. You are confusing his lack of media skills for selfishness and that is stemming from something more than just disappointment!
And Silver, seriously, stop telling me what I think. It is really getting old and a bit annoying. You seem to think I have this vendetta against Curry and I don't. Do go back and read my threads about buying into Curry during that 10 game 20 point streak. I am loving the way Curry's playing. He is even rebounding well (now if he could just block a shot our two-which at his size he should be able to block a shot a game by accident).
I'm not trying to tell you anything more than how it sounds. You need to interpret it differently if its bothering you so much. Honestly, I'm going to continue doing what I am doing. Go over my posts and you will rarely find me taking shots at people that post here. I stick to basketball. This is the first season I have started commenting on what newspapers say about pregame and post game. You are the one that is telling us what to think. I remember your threads early on in the season about Isiah's quotes to the media. It obviously annoys you so trust me, I am not trying to tell you what you think, I am telling you what it sounds like to me. You are more than welcome to ignore my posts instead of questioning my character.
As for getting on the player-I haven't been on the players in a while. However when they do something stupid-such as this-that embarasses the organization, and make it look foolish, I have a right to get annoyed and point out how absolutely stupid the action is.
You have the right to do whatever you want and I will reply whenever I want.
You were one of the biggest guys that complained about Larry airing his gripes in the media.
This is effing bullcrap. I was a Larry guy until he abandoned the team this summer. I never once complained about him last year. My problems were never with what he said, they were always with how he played the wrong people and forced the wrong trades. If you find a post of mine from last year knocking Larry's quotes, I will back off everything you say on this thread. Get it right before calling me out next time.
But it's ok for Curry to come out into the media-whether he was only anwering a question or not- and say he only cares about the Knicks if Isiah is here? You're ok with that?
His problem is answering questions. I think he misspoke. I don't think he was trying to say what you just said. I don't want murder him for not being media savvy.
P.S.-Dolan needs to seriously consider taking a day a week and offering some of these guys on the team (GM included) a "how to handle the press" pr class.
yes but do you think anyone can outsmart the new york media? You are still going to get the same articles unless you stonewall them like Derek Jeter does. And its not easy being Derek Jeter.
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2/9/2007  9:36 AM
curry is too fat for all this commotion
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2/9/2007  10:00 AM
Posted by Elite:

curry is too fat for all this commotion

LOL. that sums it up.
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2/9/2007  11:08 AM
Joe, they asked him to comment on it! The dude misspoke. You are confusing his lack of media skills for selfishness and that is stemming from something more than just disappointment!
Silver, he did not misspeak. Even in the papers today Isiah said he had to remind Curry that it is about the team not about him(Isiah).

I'm not trying to tell you anything more than how it sounds. You need to interpret it differently if its bothering you so much. Honestly, I'm going to continue doing what I am doing. Go over my posts and you will rarely find me taking shots at people that post here. I stick to basketball. This is the first season I have started commenting on what newspapers say about pregame and post game. You are the one that is telling us what to think. I remember your threads early on in the season about Isiah's quotes to the media. It obviously annoys you so trust me, I am not trying to tell you what you think, I am telling you what it sounds like to me. You are more than welcome to ignore my posts instead of questioning my character.
Who is taking shots at who? So far you have repeatedly posted what I think. It is starting to get old. I never called you out. I submit you are the one calling me out because of your constant postings of what you are saying I think.
You have the right to do whatever you want and I will reply whenever I want.
Who questioned anything about you replying?
This is effing bullcrap. I was a Larry guy until he abandoned the team this summer. I never once complained about him last year. My problems were never with what he said, they were always with how he played the wrong people and forced the wrong trades. If you find a post of mine from last year knocking Larry's quotes, I will back off everything you say on this thread. Get it right before calling me out next time.
Sucks don't it?
His problem is answering questions. I think he misspoke. I don't think he was trying to say what you just said. I don't want murder him for not being media savvy.
If you think he misspoke, what do you think he meant to say?
yes but do you think anyone can outsmart the new york media? You are still going to get the same articles unless you stonewall them like Derek Jeter does. And its not easy being Derek Jeter.
Outsmarting the media is one thing. Just being able to handle themselves in front of the media is not asking too much.
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2/9/2007  12:33 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Silver, he did not misspeak. Even in the papers today Isiah said he had to remind Curry that it is about the team not about him(Isiah).
You were saying he doesn't care about the Knicks, he only cares about Isiah. Thats not what he was trying to say at all.
Who is taking shots at who? So far you have repeatedly posted what I think. It is starting to get old. I never called you out. I submit you are the one calling me out because of your constant postings of what you are saying I think.
I only posted how you sound and if its starting to get old its your fault. I never called you out. You keep say the same thing over and over and for some reason you think I am calling you out? Your routine is getting tired and its obviously going nowhere so I'm done with these types of responses.
Who questioned anything about you replying?
Who questioned anything about your right? Sorry, that was the last one but I had to cause of your pointless reply. And yes, thats a shot at you
Sucks don't it?
Oh, so you knowingly made it up? Guess its easy for you. Ok, this is the last one.
If you think he misspoke, what do you think he meant to say?
That Isiah has really helped him and he is loyal to him. The whole "trying to get out" is a exaggeration and unnecessary so I can ignore it.
Outsmarting the media is one thing. Just being able to handle themselves in front of the media is not asking too much.
It is asking for much because being able to handle yourself in front of the NY media is NO JOKE. It is the hardset thing in the world. If the NY media wants to bury you, there is nothing you can do about it.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 02-09-2007 12:34 PM]
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2/9/2007  3:39 PM
Martin - how is it you NEVER called Islesfan on his repeated STFU remarks?

Mine was only a cut and paste of soemthing sent my way

I did not start the war
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Meanwhile, back at the arena

"It's great when the players feel that way. We're a close team, a team that sticks together. We believe in one another," (Thomas) said. "I thanked him for his support, but I reminded him that it was about the Knicks. It's not about me; it's about us. I'm glad he feels that way and I'm glad our players feel that way, but we have a long ways to go."
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Posted by misterearl:

Martin - how is it you NEVER called Islesfan on his repeated STFU remarks?

Mine was only a cut and paste of soemthing sent my way

I did not start the war


http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=19957
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JesseDark:
Posted by islesfan:

No way!! .500 ball?!?! That's freaking awesome!!! And now Curry is making demands after this impressive 2 game winning streak?!? That's awesome!!!

Seriously, STFU already.

Islesfan you need to cool it with the STFUs. It detracts from your view no matter how wrong it is.
Peace.

STFU

lol

Yeah that was a good one!

no. Please do calm down with the "STFU". Nothing wrong with disagreeing but enough already with those types of remarks. thanks.

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2/9/2007  4:06 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Martin - how is it you NEVER called Islesfan on his repeated STFU remarks?

Mine was only a cut and paste of soemthing sent my way

I did not start the war

earl, the previous post speaks for itself. Thanks Jones.

You expect us to read every post of every thread and catch everything? Help us out man.
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2/9/2007  4:11 PM
Martin - you know I'm on your side.... what bugs me is how you gunna single out a poster who bleeds orange and blue over someone who repeatedly only pours acid over any and everything the Knicks do?

sheesh

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Posted by misterearl:

Martin - you know I'm on your side.... what bugs me is how you gunna single out a poster who bleeds orange and blue over someone who repeatedly only pours acid over any and everything the Knicks do?

sheesh

you mean to say that I should be biased about how I treat users on this site? Agree with me and we'll treat you nice, say something I don't completely agree with and I should ban? That's RealGM man. Go here to get that: RealGM.com
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2/9/2007  4:30 PM
Martin - that's not what I was sayin'. It has nothing to do with agreeing with you, but more about those who only paste venom against the subject of your site that boasts "Pure Knicks Love" as its tagline.

You can always change the tag to "All Haterade All The Time" to suit an Islesfan though

make me no nevermind



[Edited by - misterearl on 02-09-2007 4:31 PM]
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2/9/2007  4:49 PM
Stop your complaining misterearl.

I play by the rules and tone it down when I get out of line.

You're posting on the wrong board if you want a Knicks circle jerk.

I interpret "Pure Knicks Love" as wanting whats best for the overall good of the franchise. It's not "Pure Isiah Love" or "Pure Head in the Sand and Love Everything the Knicks Do, No Matter What".

I love my family and friends. If I see them doing something I think is detrimental to their well being I say something about it. I don't tell them to keep smoking crack and buy them more.
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/02092007/sports/knicks/isiah_lauds_steady_eddy_knicks_brian_lewis.htm?page=2
"His growth, his maturation, his leadership skills are getting better," Thomas said of Curry. "To lead of group of men that have wives and kids and have people that trust and believe in you like our team now believes in Eddy says a great deal about him."

That's important, seeing as though Curry and his possible status of being a franchise player may well decide Thomas' fate.

"I just have to be real about the whole situation," Curry said. "I'm extremely appreciative. I realize this is Jim Dolan's team; I'm happy he wanted me here.

"But at the same time, I've got to look out for myself and for this team, and I honestly feel like we're a better team with him as the head coach. He's got a way of reaching out to the players and making them feel good, giving them confidence and believing in them."

"I don't think that was an aggressive comment. That's just how I feel," Curry said. "I'm out here with him every day in the trenches getting better. I realize I don't see how I could do it without him."

What Curry has done is become the top-scoring center in the Eastern Conference. That improvement has been credited to Thomas, among other things.

"We've rallied around Coach Thomas," David Lee said. "Isiah knows how to deal with personalities and players. He's done a great job of establishing everybody into a role. It's easier to play your game."
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/02092007/sports/knicks/isiah_lauds_steady_eddy_knicks_brian_lewis.htm?page=2
"His growth, his maturation, his leadership skills are getting better," Thomas said of Curry. "To lead of group of men that have wives and kids and have people that trust and believe in you like our team now believes in Eddy says a great deal about him."

That's important, seeing as though Curry and his possible status of being a franchise player may well decide Thomas' fate.

"I just have to be real about the whole situation," Curry said. "I'm extremely appreciative. I realize this is Jim Dolan's team; I'm happy he wanted me here.

"But at the same time, I've got to look out for myself and for this team, and I honestly feel like we're a better team with him as the head coach. He's got a way of reaching out to the players and making them feel good, giving them confidence and believing in them."

"I don't think that was an aggressive comment. That's just how I feel," Curry said. "I'm out here with him every day in the trenches getting better. I realize I don't see how I could do it without him."

What Curry has done is become the top-scoring center in the Eastern Conference. That improvement has been credited to Thomas, among other things.

"We've rallied around Coach Thomas," David Lee said. "Isiah knows how to deal with personalities and players. He's done a great job of establishing everybody into a role. It's easier to play your game."

I'm sure Jim Jones' followers felt the same way.
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2/9/2007  5:41 PM
isles, you attached your analysis on Curry's intentions behind making his original comments, & now completely dismiss Curry's own explanation aimed at clarifying the reasoning behind making those comments. don't u think that's a little unfair?

btw, who the hell is Jim Jones?
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Posted by TMS:

isles, you attached your analysis on Curry's intentions behind making his original comments, & now completely dismiss Curry's own explanation aimed at clarifying the reasoning behind making those comments. don't u think that's a little unfair?

btw, who the hell is Jim Jones?

His comments published today were obviously spin control because his initial comments could easily appear to be a ultimatum to the psycho Dolan, through the media no less which is the ultimate no no.

Jim Jones was a lot like Isiah.
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