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Bonn1997
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6/22/2006  12:34 PM
Maybe my standards are higher than some but when they win 23 out of 82 games I call that crap
as in crappy coaching (plus crappy playing)
AUTOADVERT
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6/22/2006  12:34 PM

SAS- The reason he believes Isiah side of the story of what really went down with the Knicks is because Dumars was saying the same things just one year ago....

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6/22/2006  12:35 PM
This is a new day !! LETS GO KNICKS !!! KOOL AID for everyone !!! Come and get on the bus and ride to a great season !!!! rvhoss, holfresh and bippity10, keep up the good posts !!! WE ARE NOT ALONE !!! Real KNICK fans want success in Gotham no matter who is the coach, gm, president or owner !!!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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6/22/2006  12:35 PM
Posted by holfresh:


SAS- The reason he believes Isiah side of the story of what really went down with the Knicks is because Dumars was saying the same things just one year ago....


Yup, I think that's a pretty strong point in Isiah's favor.
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6/22/2006  12:35 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


I'd agree with that. Playing lousy players ahead of Frye certainly looked like it hurt his confidence, especially on jumpshots. I think you'll see Isiah play on those who play hard. No more DNP-CDs for guys like Nate and David Lee. That's the hope at least. The organization is still screwed, though, but at least we get a little enjoyment out of seeing Brown get what he deserved.

Channing Frye averaged 24mpg a game last year as a rookie. How many friggen minutes is he supposed to get?

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6/22/2006  12:36 PM
Hey dude, I agree with you...I just think you are wasting your time with the
"When the knicks suck IT is fired statements."

what if last year somedody said "when LB sucks, then he will get fired"

I mean, come on man...you keep saying you support IT, but in the next sentence you say he's screwed.

If you support him, you believe he can turn this around.

Don't be like larry and say one thing then contradict it the next sentence and then go on to say you meant to say.

I mean, you are paraphrasing your posts by pulling out the lines that support your stance that you don't hate the knicks.

I could do the same thing with the quotes you forgot to cut and paste.

I'm all positive all the time, there are no buts and ifs.

The knicks will win more games next year. The long range plan is youth and athleticism with a dominant low post presence for the playoffs and single possession ball.

We have all those pieces in place and they are young young young.

Stop saying this team sucks. They only sucked in record...hell, it was their first season together as a team with a coach that didn't try to win, but tried to see who can play. I'm down with that, I liked that larry cleared it up for me.

But don't sit there and say you are rooting for the knicks when in the next sentence you say we are screwed. (paraphrasing for the bean counters)

Either you are with the knicks or against them.

I mean, you say GM/Coach has never worked, and that just happened with the heat, so like LB you say, oh, well I meant that it won't work in our situation.

Come on man. Come on man.

Posted by Bippity10:

In my previous posts these are the only references to LB

"I'm glad it's over"

"This upsets me for one reason. Once again it shows that the Knicks have no long-term plan or are once again adjusting one."

"Dragging this out had nothing to do with the team and everything to do with Dolan's wallet."

Can someone explain to me in any of my posts where I support LB. Some of you guys are so obsessed with the guy that you simply make things up. I am focused on what the Knicks are going to do next. I dont' care about LB anymore than I care about Lenny or Don(I care about Herb because at the moment he is still here). Get over your obsession with the guy. This isn't about the name in the coaching seat. It's about developing a winner. And to have a winner you have to give the coach the power to run the team. Now that coach is Zeke. I 100% support him and hope the team will let him coach the team instead of coaching to avoid being fired like Lenny and Don did.

This is about your organization moving forward and some of you guys are so friggin obsessed with LB that you respond to posts that never mention him as if that person somehow is supporting him.

I also find it funny how rv called me negative and then agreed with pretty much everything I typed. He also answered my questions which obviously were legitimate questions or he wouldn't have answered them. Odd to insult someone for what they type and then agree with them and then answer the questions.

all kool aid all the time.
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6/22/2006  12:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

imho, it looks like isiah is on very shaky ground since dolan is making him coach. if isiah was safe, and this decision to fire lb was all dolan's, then he would let isiah hire another coach. but he's not.

so lb is fired...but what's even sadder? isiah is put in a position to fail. a lame duck gm/coach that's has his back up against the wall is not condusive to a winning environment and no sign of committment. the end result may be what many want (isiah getting fired) but the philosphy behind this move gives us absolutely zero hope that we will ever win ANYTHING as a franchise.

As I said many times. Don't assume that Thomas is on shaky grounds. Just look at Dolan's track record with Sather. Many had Sather fired over 5 years ago. Both Thomas and Sather are up front with Dolan which is more important to Dolan than anything. That I know for fact. Every big deal that Thomas or Sather made, they asked for Dolan's input. Or in fact Dolan told these guys to go get something people. That's the bigger issue here. The owner is too connected to his team in some ways. Dolan wanted Marbury, Layden was slow to deliver, so he oust him, for Thomas who delievered, Dolan wanted to make the playoffs the same season to stregthen his position against his father, Thomas met that goal. Dolan gave him a mandate of Phil or Larry. Thomas failed on Jackson but guess right on Brown. Now Dolan was pissed off at Brown's antics, so he wanted him gone but didn't want to pay another coach. Hell get Thomas to coach, no extra funds, Dolan's believe Thomas would be a better fit, and no more status meetings with Brown to gauge how comfortable and healthy he is. The only thing that I learned today, is that this is really Dolan's team, because you know Thomas really wanted to bring back Brown. Dolan wanted Camby and Spree gone for personal reasons. He was pissed at JVG for so many reasons, including the reason why they had to get rid of Grunfeld.
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6/22/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:


I'd agree with that. Playing lousy players ahead of Frye certainly looked like it hurt his confidence, especially on jumpshots. I think you'll see Isiah play on those who play hard. No more DNP-CDs for guys like Nate and David Lee. That's the hope at least. The organization is still screwed, though, but at least we get a little enjoyment out of seeing Brown get what he deserved.



Channing Frye averaged 24mpg a game last year as a rookie. How many friggen minutes is he supposed to get?
A lot more with the likes of Mo THE BLACK HOLE Taylor, AD, M.Rose playing in front of him
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6/22/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:


I'd agree with that. Playing lousy players ahead of Frye certainly looked like it hurt his confidence, especially on jumpshots. I think you'll see Isiah play on those who play hard. No more DNP-CDs for guys like Nate and David Lee. That's the hope at least. The organization is still screwed, though, but at least we get a little enjoyment out of seeing Brown get what he deserved.

Channing Frye averaged 24mpg a game last year as a rookie. How many friggen minutes is he supposed to get?


Bro the minutes wer inconsistant as you could have them...most people come in at a set time in the game...You had no idea when the Kid would be playing or if he would play at all...The stats don't tell the entire story...



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6/22/2006  12:39 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

[quote]Posted by Bonn1997:


I'd agree with that. Playing lousy players ahead of Frye certainly looked like it hurt his confidence, especially on jumpshots. I think you'll see Isiah play on those who play hard. No more DNP-CDs for guys like Nate and David Lee. That's the hope at least. The organization is still screwed, though, but at least we get a little enjoyment out of seeing Brown get what he deserved.


[/quote
Channing Frye averaged 24mpg a game last year as a rookie. How many friggen minutes is he supposed to get?

]

It wasn't the minutes as much as his role. He would play big minutes in one game, and then far fewer in the next few games. Then his confidence seemed to suffer, and with it his shot, when Larry messed with his head.


[Edited by - Rich on 06-22-2006 12:39 PM]
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6/22/2006  12:39 PM
Zeke's coaching record:

2001 IND NBA 41 41 .500 1 3 .250
2002 IND NBA 42 40 .512 2 3 .400
2003 IND NBA 48 34 .585 2 4 .333

New team, but hopefully the trend will continue.
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6/22/2006  12:39 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

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See how the rest of the country feels about what transpired and they aren't swayed by favorites.

And this proves what?
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6/22/2006  12:40 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

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See how the rest of the country feels about what transpired and they aren't swayed by favorites.

the people have spoken
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6/22/2006  12:40 PM
Bonn: It's crappy everything. Once again another guy obsessed with LB. Eveyrone sucked. Everyone. Bonn and the rest of the LB obsessed everyone sucked. LB sucked the players sucked the GM sucked the owner is a moron. I don't support any of them. I do support the Knicks getting a plan and making me feel better because we make concrete steps instead of feeling better every offseason because "we finally fired the guy that made us bad"

We won 23 games, changes need to be made. I don't care if Zeke is coach. I don't care if Marbs or Francis or Jalen or Mo or any of the rest are here or not. But whoever is here needs to fit into a plan. If you want hard nosed players get hard nosed players. If you want to run, get players taht run and work hard. If you are a running team don't build around a post up center. If you have a post up center get some jumpshooters. If you have a scoring PG, get a creative shooting guard. Show a coherent plan and at that point the record is not as important.

I just hope that people will like me
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6/22/2006  12:40 PM
Bip, it's been 2.5 years and we've never had this much youth on our team.

So, to keep closing your eyes to players like the three rookies we had last year (two of which were 4 year seniors) and the non Starphucking acquisitions like Qwoods and Curry and JackieB and keep harping on the fact that we fired a 23 win coach is not seeing the forest for the trees...if his name isn't larry brown, he gets fired.

We have youth and a future...if you don't want to see it, so be it...but I'm calling you on it when you start to bash my favorite NBA team.

sorry, i'm just a fan defending my team.

Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by rvhoss:

Exactly, browns' way would have been another 23 win season or two...you think brown would have stayed around for it to get better? I mean, do you think he was really going to stay around for 4 years?
Posted by Rich:

SAS: Dolan wanted to fix this mess, and Larry wanted Steph, Francis, and Rose to go. (Two of which he wanted).


Rvhoss: Who am I bashing in that post? Zeke or management? Do you know the answer to that question? My issue is with an organization that continues to bring in the same type of players year after year and then fires the coach when they can't GET THROUGH TO THEM. So my question to you is this. Let's play devil's advocate. I call it thinking about a plan and preparing for something that could happen(you call it bashing???) but allow me to ask the question anyway. What if(notice I said what if, didn't say it will happen) Isiah struggles to get through to the players. What's the plan at that point? What would you do as GM if that was the case.

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6/22/2006  12:40 PM
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See what the rest of America thinks.
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6/22/2006  12:40 PM
nobody wants to talk about LB's track record. There has to be a reason that every team wants to give this guy the boot after a year or two. Dumars has ultimate credibility and he is saying the same thing that IT has said about lB
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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6/22/2006  12:40 PM
Isiah first starting lineup
C Jerome James
F Mo Taylor
F Malik Rose
G Q Rich
G Marbury

These ARE YOUR NY Knicks!
RIP Crushalot😞
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6/22/2006  12:41 PM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by nyk4ever:

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See how the rest of the country feels about what transpired and they aren't swayed by favorites.

And this proves what?

It's quite interesting.
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6/22/2006  12:41 PM
I have a feeling draft night will be very ugly for Dolan Mills Thomas
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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