You guys are ridiculous.

Starks and Oak were the ****in SOUL of that team. Patrick was the face of the franchise, yes, but he wasn't the one diving after loose balls and going balls out after a rebound.

That's what made us what we were.

Don't even pretend for a sec that you coulda just put anyone next to Pat.

bobs obviously has the point go flying over his head like an errant Jerome James pass.

That was not the point anyone was making. The point is that we built a TEAM. We built a team that utilized Patrick, Oaks, Starks, Dereks skills and allowed them to do what they all do best so they didn't have to worry about anything else. With our current team we are asking Stephon to be a Jason Kidd/STeve Nash type which he is clearly not and then fans are getting mad at him for not being this guy. Is he a jerk for this or are we and management wrong for continually thinking and building teams like he is.

Okay if you walk into the garden tomorrow and tell management that you are the greatest PG that ever lived and they handed you a 50 million dollar a year contract and ask you to lead the team to a title, who's fault is that.

I personally would think you were not only brilliant for negotiating that contract but I would also admire your confidence. I would think management were a crew of idiots though.

bobs, last time Ewing was on the court you were 15. Last time he was good you were 13. Anyway if we had Houston instead of Starks all along we probably have at least one ring. Oakley was a good role player playing next to one of the league's great centers. Yes.. we would have probably been just as good with Horace Grant, Otis Thorpe or a host of others that could fit in that role. Part of the reason we never did win a title is management was never able to find a great 2nd player. we had role players or guys that were in the tail end of their careers.

^ I don't buy that.

The only reason we got to the Finals in 94 was b/c of our defense. Take out Starks and put in Houston, and we might have a more efficient outside threat, but watch what happens on the other side of the floor. Who's gonna dive for loose balls? Who's gonna guard MJ?

I can buy Horace Grant or Otis Thorpe replacing Oak b/c they were all similar players. All good rebounders, good post defenders. But Oak was better than both of them b/c of his basketball IQ. I'm taking Oak 9 times out of 10, with the last being a mistake.


Like I said, Oak and Starks were the soul of that team. Sure, maybe we didn't win a championship b/c Ewing didn't have a Robin. Maybe we didn't win b/c we didn't produce enough offense when we needed it.

But I'm sure of atleast 1 thing -- we would've never gotten to the Finals without our defense. End of story.

What does that have to do with my point? Am I a bad writer?

These guys were the heart and sole of the team because they were placed into a role where they were allowed to be the heart and sole of the team. If Starks was placed as a lead guard without Patrick and roasted in the papers and on the chat pages for not being Jason Kidd he would have been a surly malcontent that headbutts Reggie Miller for no reason. Similar to his days in Utah and Oaks days yelling at Vince Carter's mother.

So Marbs has hurt you personally and you are now angry with him?

I remember TT saying he was going to take boxing lessons and become mean. I knew he would not be a ferocious player so when he didn't become one I was not angry. He is who he is regardless of what he says. I have a 2guard on my rec league team that tells everyone how he is going to light it up that night. Then he goes 1-10 and we win the game and then joke about how he said he was going to light it up. Who cares.

If we as an organization are more focused upon building around Marbury because he said he is a franchise player instead of finding someone who is and then putting Marbs in a suitable role. Or trading him for scraps because he did not uphold his promise and we are oh so baby sad, then we are an awful organization. Oh wait...............

I'm not even sure what the arguement was about in the first place.

Call it shorterm memory.....or not caring. Either way right.

Isiah is the greatest GM of all time. And yes you all can quote me on that.

Posted by boomann:

Isiah is the greatest GM of all time. And yes you all can quote me on that.

Why would anybody want to quote an obvious mental patient?

Posted by boomann:

You just did

Ohhhh snap!


Operation STFU por favor is now underway.