Vmart wrote:Trumps cons or business dealings never affected me as a citizen of the US. But Hiliary's cons are on a national level and affected a lot of people. Now before you guys get your panties in a bunch. I have decided to protest this election by not voting. If these are the best candidates that this country can come up with then we are are all F'ed and hoodwinked by a few who supported these clowns. Deep down I know in everyone's heart voting for one of these two is like voting for the sake of voting.

If you have a second to engage, please explain the basis for your conclusion, so I too can be informed. My conclusion is that Hillary is not a sexy candidate, no pun intended. She is following the very charismatic Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. She doesn't have the simple message of a Bernie Sanders, so what gives? In every governmental job she has had, she has garnered high praise from both sides..She was one of the most proactive first ladies ever in the white house when it came to policy...She was an excellent Senator from New York and a very good secretary of state who worked tirelessly. So where does the conclusion come from that she is a clown?..She is a policy wonk who knows policy with the best of them in Washington. How did you draw your conclusion?

Vmart wrote:Trumps cons or business dealings never affected me as a citizen of the US. But Hiliary's cons are on a national level and affected a lot of people. Now before you guys get your panties in a bunch. I have decided to protest this election by not voting. If these are the best candidates that this country can come up with then we are are all F'ed and hoodwinked by a few who supported these clowns. Deep down I know in everyone's heart voting for one of these two is like voting for the sake of voting.

Vmart wrote:Trumps cons or business dealings never affected me as a citizen of the US. But Hiliary's cons are on a national level and affected a lot of people.

So are you saying you don't care about all of the people Trump scammed, as long as it doesn't affect you personally? Really?

holfresh wrote:Fared Zachariah was talking about this book today called the rightoues mind..Basically saying that our political preferences are not a product of careful analytic reasoning but is a product from moral intuition, instinct and tribal affiliation with people who we believe share those instincts..We then try to find one idea that the csndidate have in common with what we are thinking..So in essence you could completely disagree with most of what he is saying but it doesn't matter...

Sounds about right. I know it's not pleasant, but another way of saying that is we have a ton of uninformed, borderline idiots (politically speaking) running around.

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Fared Zachariah was talking about this book today called the rightoues mind..Basically saying that our political preferences are not a product of careful analytic reasoning but is a product from moral intuition, instinct and tribal affiliation with people who we believe share those instincts..We then try to find one idea that the csndidate have in common with what we are thinking..So in essence you could completely disagree with most of what he is saying but it doesn't matter...

Sounds about right. I know it's not pleasant, but another way of saying that is we have a ton of uninformed, borderline idiots (politically speaking) running around.

Pretty amazing stuff..

So maybe I do need to shade my response just a bit. The media has played a large roll in skewing the type and amount and balance of information in a way that has kept a broad landscape of our population very under-informed, or even poorly informed.

I think this Option column from a Texas newspaper states this by weighing in on Hilary:

http://www.caller.com/opinion/editorials/our-support-for-hillary-clinton-is-enthusiastic-3da79118-75be-1951-e053-0100007f9177-395461761.html

Our support for Hillary Clinton is enthusiastic

That we endorse Hillary Clinton for president should come as no surprise. There really is no other choice. And that's unfortunate — not because, as many Americans have allowed themselves to be led to believe, the country desperately needs a viable alternative to her. It's unfortunate because of the shadow it casts upon the former secretary of state/senator/first lady's genuine worthiness to be our first female president.

She is not, as has been sold, a mere lesser of two evils. Her experience and intellect would make her a standout in any group of candidates. Like President Obama said and didn't need to be fact-checked, she's more qualified than him or her husband.

We have reservations about the next presidency that have nothing to do with Clinton's abilities, personality or transgressions. Our concern is about the enormity of the task of leading a nation so polarized that angry factions are likely to dispute the election's outcome no matter who wins.

Muslims, to name just a few, and as deplorable as was his declaration that the election is rigged unless he wins — gives him too much credit. He is only the intersection for fears and hatreds that already existed and that bring out the worst in the people privileged to live in the world's greatest nation. Using hatred and fear isn't what makes Trump smart. It's what makes him an insult to voters' intelligence.

Being the only serious alternative is both Clinton's fortune and misfortune. It increases the likelihood of victory, but also of presiding over a nation with large groups of dissidents. While voting against her can be a statement of differing principle, voting for Trump would not rise to that level. It's not a vote for Republicanism. The Republican Party's principles and standards are beyond Trump's reach.

Voting for Trump is a form of nihilism that the next president, no matter whom, will need to explore, understand and seek to remedy. The new president and we as a nation would benefit from understanding why, for example, distressed taxpayers who live paycheck-to-paycheck and whose American Dream has been dashed would vote for someone who gained his American Dream through inheritance, exploitation, tax evasion, bankruptcy and the misfortunes of people like themselves — and why they would reject someone who gained her American Dream on merit, married once, hasn't divorced, and knows how to change a diaper.

We perceive in Clinton the capability to bridge the divide — to define rather than exploit our problems and pursue intelligent solutions. Her "basket of deplorables" comment made the task more difficult but it was a rare lapse by an otherwise level-headed servant leader with a history of self-correcting resilience. The former senator's Republican colleagues remember her fondly as a middle-ground-seeking master of the art of deal-making. If there is to be a return to bipartisanship, she is the one to lead it.

The woman who memorably declared that women's rights are human rights and that it takes a village to raise a child is the candidate who has the right priorities and the perceptiveness to make this divided but great country greater.

holfresh wrote:Fared Zachariah was talking about this book today called the rightoues mind..Basically saying that our political preferences are not a product of careful analytic reasoning but is a product from moral intuition, instinct and tribal affiliation with people who we believe share those instincts..We then try to find one idea that the csndidate have in common with what we are thinking..So in essence you could completely disagree with most of what he is saying but it doesn't matter...

Oh I see, I say essentially this pages ago and everyone ignores it, but now some dude writes a book about and it's lapped up!

Like I said, the main problem with Trump is he resonates emotionally with people and he shares their views that have been considered shameful until now. If something resonates emotionally you are less likely to think objectively and will instead distort and deny any info that doesn't fit with it. We've seen it on this thread - Trump wasn't lying when he said he could shoot someone and it wouldn't dent his ratings.

Welpee wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Fared Zachariah was talking about this book today called the rightoues mind..Basically saying that our political preferences are not a product of careful analytic reasoning but is a product from moral intuition, instinct and tribal affiliation with people who we believe share those instincts..We then try to find one idea that the csndidate have in common with what we are thinking..So in essence you could completely disagree with most of what he is saying but it doesn't matter...

Oh I see, I say essentially this pages ago and everyone ignores it, but now some dude writes a book about and it's lapped up!

Like I said, the main problem with Trump is he resonates emotionally with people and he shares their views that have been considered shameful until now. If something resonates emotionally you are less likely to think objectively and will instead distort and deny any info that doesn't fit with it. We've seen it on this thread - Trump wasn't lying when he said he could shoot someone and it wouldn't dent his ratings.

But here's what gets me, when people pointed out that racism still exists in this country they're shouted down by folks who want to deny it and point to the fact that we have a black president as proof racism is dead. Then Trump comes along and unleashes all of the closet racists and bigots that folks have been saying always existed who now feel more freedom to openly express their views. The one good thing I will say about Trump is I believe he always knew these folks were out there and played to them like a drum.

Trump is synonym of American Society.
We want entertainment, we are bored...
We want shooting, riots, war, crime, drama, outrageous lairs in power, conspiracies, sex scandals, and see big a..ss on TV.
Trump is so modern-American its not funny.
What America really needs is major economic downturn, international policy collapse, and as a result people stop watching reality shows and being forced to work to get food on the table. Then we will have a chance to have America great again.

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Fared Zachariah was talking about this book today called the rightoues mind..Basically saying that our political preferences are not a product of careful analytic reasoning but is a product from moral intuition, instinct and tribal affiliation with people who we believe share those instincts..We then try to find one idea that the csndidate have in common with what we are thinking..So in essence you could completely disagree with most of what he is saying but it doesn't matter...

Oh I see, I say essentially this pages ago and everyone ignores it, but now some dude writes a book about and it's lapped up!

Like I said, the main problem with Trump is he resonates emotionally with people and he shares their views that have been considered shameful until now. If something resonates emotionally you are less likely to think objectively and will instead distort and deny any info that doesn't fit with it. We've seen it on this thread - Trump wasn't lying when he said he could shoot someone and it wouldn't dent his ratings.

But here's what gets me, when people pointed out that racism still exists in this country they're shouted down by folks who want to deny it and point to the fact that we have a black president as proof racism is dead. Then Trump comes along and unleashes all of the closet racists and bigots that folks have been saying always existed who now feel more freedom to openly express their views. The one good thing I will say about Trump is I believe he always knew these folks were out there and played to them like a drum.

Trump is synonym of American Society.
We want entertainment, we are bored...
We want shooting, riots, war, crime, drama, outrageous lairs in power, conspiracies, sex scandals, and see big a..ss on TV.
Trump is so modern-American its not funny.
What America really needs is major economic downturn, international policy collapse, and as a result people stop watching reality shows and being forced to work to get food on the table. Then we will have a chance to have America great again.

Yeah, because America was really great in the late 20s/30s during the depression. Fun times.

It became great after it...
People need to learn again that there is no free lunch.
Plain and simple.
And it is inevitable.
To rebuild you need to crash.
With this kind of "Presidents" we inevitably will crash.
Just get prepared for tough ride.
And do not worry - if one is a person or real skills, personal integrity, hard work, and timeless values he/she will survive and thrive. The rest... well.. everyone getting what he/she deserve... at the end.

Welpee wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Fared Zachariah was talking about this book today called the rightoues mind..Basically saying that our political preferences are not a product of careful analytic reasoning but is a product from moral intuition, instinct and tribal affiliation with people who we believe share those instincts..We then try to find one idea that the csndidate have in common with what we are thinking..So in essence you could completely disagree with most of what he is saying but it doesn't matter...

Oh I see, I say essentially this pages ago and everyone ignores it, but now some dude writes a book about and it's lapped up!

Like I said, the main problem with Trump is he resonates emotionally with people and he shares their views that have been considered shameful until now. If something resonates emotionally you are less likely to think objectively and will instead distort and deny any info that doesn't fit with it. We've seen it on this thread - Trump wasn't lying when he said he could shoot someone and it wouldn't dent his ratings.

But here's what gets me, when people pointed out that racism still exists in this country they're shouted down by folks who want to deny it and point to the fact that we have a black president as proof racism is dead. Then Trump comes along and unleashes all of the closet racists and bigots that folks have been saying always existed who now feel more freedom to openly express their views. The one good thing I will say about Trump is I believe he always knew these folks were out there and played to them like a drum.

This is for those who think people just need to have skills and be hardworking to get a job and blacks are disproportionately less employed because they are lazy bums.

This is a real scientific experiment, with real employers and real job postings. The same resume got a callback in one out of 10 submissions with a white sounding name and 1 out of 15 submissions with an AA sounding name. Nothing but racism can explain why employers think whites are 50% more employable than blacks.

http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-foundation-ordered-to-stop-fundraising-by-ny-attorney-generals-office/2016/10/03/1d4d295a-8987-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews

The New York attorney general has notified Donald Trump that his charitable foundation is violating state law — by soliciting donations without proper certification — and ordered Trump’s charity to stop its fundraising immediately, the attorney general’s office said Monday.

Looks like his house of cards is starting to tumble down. Why would a guy with so many shady dealings run for president?

Welpee wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Trumps's foundation ordered to stop soliciting funds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-foundation-ordered-to-stop-fundraising-by-ny-attorney-generals-office/2016/10/03/1d4d295a-8987-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews

The New York attorney general has notified Donald Trump that his charitable foundation is violating state law — by soliciting donations without proper certification — and ordered Trump’s charity to stop its fundraising immediately, the attorney general’s office said Monday.

Looks like his house of cards is starting to tumble down. Why would a guy with so many shady dealings run for president?

Because whatever he invested in this campaign he will get 3x back next season when he hawks his presidential reality show to all the networks. He is recording every second of this campaign and will flip this campaign like a real estate deal and get paid. And the beauty his the Trump supporters will not even think they've been suckered.