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djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.

Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

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Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

Assert our power? In what way do you mean? Everyone already knows the U.S. is the most powerful nation on Earth. Many nations rely on this fact. Trump represents instability and not security.

Asserting the power means clearly define your position and use it.
Before we can use it we must define who we are with.
If we are supporting so called "moderate" rebels is Syria we need to clearly define who are they and then support them military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Opposing_forces
Same true about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and other countries.
If we as a nation are not sure then just get the hell out and let them dig their own grave.
Are we supporting Israel state or we want it gone?
US totally withdrew from any decisions and influence in Africa leaving it all to China.
In Asia China and Russia have upper hand in every aspect of politics.
Are we supporting India or Pakistan?
Iran and North Korea have green light to proceed with nukes an ballistic rockets.
Filipinos president can talk any smack about US and US president so why others cannot.
Russia can redefine the maps of Europe and kick around its neighbors including NATO states.
The list can go on.
Our international policy and position is weakened to state which is more embarrassing that Knicks team was for last 20 years.

Yep. Anyone who thinks that the world or America is in a better state of global affairs then when President Obama took over is delusional. Plenty of weak kneed people are respected for their dignity and decency but those commendable personal traits mean little in the rough and tumble world where self interests rule. . A naive President Obama was led around by that jackass Clinton at the start and made so many early mistakes with the Arab Spring and compounding Bush's fockups resulted in him becoming paralyzed outside using drones and pontificating. Russian reset, red lines, two state blah blah. His words rang hollow and nations including NATO knew that there would be no teeth for aggressive actions beyond sanctions. Iran, Russia, China and Assad were all empowered as well as other regimes and became dismissive. Thought it was so hypocritical for President Obama to speak about Syrian refugees given his lack of leadership that allowed that crisis to flourish

What did you want him to do? Wage war on all Arab spring countries, Egypt, Libya, etc as well as maintain war in Iraq, plus start more wars vs Iran and Syria (which side do you support in Syria by the way? Assad, Al queda or ISIS). Because the wars vs Afghanistan and Iraq were so successful!

Its a common theme from the right. No looking at the other side of the coin or considering the actual setting. You get this alot when you hear about the deficit balooning under Obama. Imagine if he sat by and let the US auto industry dry up and die? Or the entire economy destabilized and our banking system crumbled? Obama made tough ballsy calls and ultimately decided that the above points were worth the financial hit.
What is tough is GOP has created a setting for all blame to fall on the current administration. Trump is in for a tough haul.

Obama only added about 1 trillion to the debt via a stimulus to restart the economy. The bank bailout and auto industry bailout was paid back to the government with interest...The additional 8 or so trillion was already baked into the cake with Bush Wars and tax cuts...I have posted the composition of the current debt already and will do so again when I find the chart...

meloshouldgo wrote:Sun Tzu said: "All warfare is based on deception." If the current immigration ban ever gets 'modified', don't call it a victory for American principles; consider that it might have been part of the plan all along. The following is from the Facebook feed of Heather Richardson, a Boston College history professor:

I don't like to talk about politics on Facebook -- political history is my job, after all, and you are my friends -- but there is an important non-partisan point to make today.

What Steve Bannon is doing, most dramatically with the ban on immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries -- is creating what is known as a "shock event."

Such an event is unexpected and confusing and throws a society into chaos. People scramble to react to the event, usually along some fault line that those responsible for the event can widen by claiming that they alone know how to restore order.

When opponents speak out, the authors of the shock event call them enemies. As society reels and tempers run high, those responsible for the shock event perform a sleight of hand to achieve their real goal, a goal they know to be hugely unpopular, but from which everyone has been distracted as they fight over the initial event. There is no longer concerted opposition to the real goal; opposition divides along the partisan lines established by the shock event.

Donald Trump's executive order has all the hallmarks of a shock event. It was not reviewed by any governmental agencies or lawyers before it was released, and counterterrorism experts insist they did not ask for it. People charged with enforcing it got no instructions about how to do so. Courts immediately have declared parts of it unconstitutional, but border police in some airports are refusing to stop enforcing it.

Predictably, chaos has followed and tempers are hot.

My point today is this: unless you are the person setting it up, it is in no one's interest to play the shock event game. It is designed explicitly to divide people who might otherwise come together so they cannot stand against something its authors think they won't like.

I don't know what Bannon is up to (although I have some guesses) but because I know Bannon's ideas well, I am positive that there is not a single person whom I consider a friend on either side of the aisle -- and my friends range pretty widely -- who will benefit from whatever it is.

If the shock event strategy works, though, many of you will blame each other, rather than Bannon, for the fallout. And the country will have been tricked into accepting their real goal.

But because shock events destabilize a society, they can also be used positively. We do not have to respond along old fault lines. We could just as easily reorganize into a different pattern that threatens the people who sparked the event.

A successful shock event depends on speed and chaos because it requires knee-jerk reactions so that people divide along established lines. This, for example, is how Confederate leaders railroaded the initial southern states out of the Union.

If people realize they are being played, though, they can reach across old lines and reorganize to challenge the leaders who are pulling the strings. This was Lincoln's strategy when he joined together Whigs, Democrats, Free-Soilers, anti-Nebraska voters, and nativists into the new Republican Party to stand against the Slave Power.

Five years before, such a coalition would have been unimaginable. Members of those groups agreed on very little other than that they wanted all Americans to have equal economic opportunity. Once they began to work together to promote a fair economic system, though, they found much common ground. They ended up rededicating the nation to a "government of the people, by the people, and for the people."

Confederate leaders and Lincoln knew about the political potential of a shock event. As we are in the midst of one, it seems worth noting that Lincoln seemed to have the better idea about how to use it.

thanks for this.

if you agree with this being a "shock event", then maybe the shock isn't meant for americans but for the muslims in the middle east.

it's quite possible this ban could be the first in a series of political moves against "muslims" to almost goad the middle east to retaliate giving f ckwad a reason to enter war. b/c that could the plan here - to destroy as many muslims as possible in that area. and this is where russia comes in to assist with military. this could be a coup trying to take over the entire area and not only eradicate the people as much as possible but to seize the oil. sounds like something from a movie but i wouldn't be surprised.

meloshouldgo wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Sun Tzu said: "All warfare is based on deception." If the current immigration ban ever gets 'modified', don't call it a victory for American principles; consider that it might have been part of the plan all along. The following is from the Facebook feed of Heather Richardson, a Boston College history professor:

I don't like to talk about politics on Facebook -- political history is my job, after all, and you are my friends -- but there is an important non-partisan point to make today.

What Steve Bannon is doing, most dramatically with the ban on immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries -- is creating what is known as a "shock event."

Such an event is unexpected and confusing and throws a society into chaos. People scramble to react to the event, usually along some fault line that those responsible for the event can widen by claiming that they alone know how to restore order.

When opponents speak out, the authors of the shock event call them enemies. As society reels and tempers run high, those responsible for the shock event perform a sleight of hand to achieve their real goal, a goal they know to be hugely unpopular, but from which everyone has been distracted as they fight over the initial event. There is no longer concerted opposition to the real goal; opposition divides along the partisan lines established by the shock event.

Donald Trump's executive order has all the hallmarks of a shock event. It was not reviewed by any governmental agencies or lawyers before it was released, and counterterrorism experts insist they did not ask for it. People charged with enforcing it got no instructions about how to do so. Courts immediately have declared parts of it unconstitutional, but border police in some airports are refusing to stop enforcing it.

Predictably, chaos has followed and tempers are hot.

My point today is this: unless you are the person setting it up, it is in no one's interest to play the shock event game. It is designed explicitly to divide people who might otherwise come together so they cannot stand against something its authors think they won't like.

I don't know what Bannon is up to (although I have some guesses) but because I know Bannon's ideas well, I am positive that there is not a single person whom I consider a friend on either side of the aisle -- and my friends range pretty widely -- who will benefit from whatever it is.

If the shock event strategy works, though, many of you will blame each other, rather than Bannon, for the fallout. And the country will have been tricked into accepting their real goal.

But because shock events destabilize a society, they can also be used positively. We do not have to respond along old fault lines. We could just as easily reorganize into a different pattern that threatens the people who sparked the event.

A successful shock event depends on speed and chaos because it requires knee-jerk reactions so that people divide along established lines. This, for example, is how Confederate leaders railroaded the initial southern states out of the Union.

If people realize they are being played, though, they can reach across old lines and reorganize to challenge the leaders who are pulling the strings. This was Lincoln's strategy when he joined together Whigs, Democrats, Free-Soilers, anti-Nebraska voters, and nativists into the new Republican Party to stand against the Slave Power.

Five years before, such a coalition would have been unimaginable. Members of those groups agreed on very little other than that they wanted all Americans to have equal economic opportunity. Once they began to work together to promote a fair economic system, though, they found much common ground. They ended up rededicating the nation to a "government of the people, by the people, and for the people."

Confederate leaders and Lincoln knew about the political potential of a shock event. As we are in the midst of one, it seems worth noting that Lincoln seemed to have the better idea about how to use it.

thanks for this.

if you agree with this being a "shock event", then maybe the shock isn't meant for americans but for the muslims in the middle east.

it's quite possible this ban could be the first in a series of political moves against "muslims" to almost goad the middle east to retaliate giving f ckwad a reason to enter war. b/c that could the plan here - to destroy as many muslims as possible in that area. and this is where russia comes in to assist with military. this could be a coup trying to take over the entire area and not only eradicate the people as much as possible but to seize the oil. sounds like something from a movie but i wouldn't be surprised.

Interesting angle, hasn't thought of that. Not outside the realm of possibility for sure. But I think th tree west as a whole had undertakes Islam. This type of war/crusade will be super dumb. But it will serve as a great distraction for local politics inside the US

In other words, go to an extreme and the negotiate down to a position that was always the goal from the start. Crazy like a fox.

It will be interesting watching the hysteria of the hysterical fade as the needle is brought down and the positives begin to be realized

VCoug wrote:Here's our president building respect for us around the world: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-gday-mate-on-call-with-australian-pm-trump-badgers-and-brags/2017/02/01/88a3bfb0-e8bf-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.68a80de7fbdf

Comical..Trump pissed after the Australian Prime Minister didn't want to hear about his great electoral college victory..He wanted to talk business but Trump ended conversation abruptly...

A fk'n child..

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:Trump called Mexicans hombres during a conversation with the Mexican President..

And threatened to invade Mexico.

So he is actually mentally unstable..I really hope the code to the nuclear weapons they gave him was fake..

Rebuilding this great country one brick at a time. I love this man

Frederick Douglass Opens Twitter Account from Beyond the Grave to Troll President Trump
Soooo, ummm . . . President Trump just described Frederick Douglass at a Black History Month Event as follows:
"Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I notice."
In response, the famed ex-slave-turned-abolitionist, suffragist, author, editor, and diplomat--who died in 1895--opened a Twitter account from the site of his interment at the Douglass family plot at Mount Hope Cemetery in Rochester, NY.

The iconic historical figure seems to use the President's preferred medium and tone in an effort to troll him for his evident misapprehension that Mr. Douglass is currently doing "an amazing job" at anything or getting "recognized more and more," since he died 122 years ago.

@realFrederickDouglass: My autobiography, Life and Times of Frederick Douglass, is #1 best-seller on Amazon. 4x better sales than Art of the Deal! P.S. I am dead!

@realFrederickDouglass: Hope you like everything I did for women's suffrage! Even the losers, haters, and flat-chested "fives." Enjoy!

@realFrederickDouglass: Appreciate @realDonaldTrump congrats on AMAZING job I did to secretly educate myself and other slaves while still living under slavery in Maryland. My work is finally being recognized!

@realFrederickDouglass: @realDonaldTrump, your FAKE NATIONAL SECURITY immigrant BAN goes against everything I stood for (when I was alive 122 yrs ago). A horrible mess!

@realFrederickDouglass: My abolitionist paper, The North Star, has much better coverage of me than the failing New York Times has of @realDonaldTrump!

@realFrederickDouglass: @realDonaldTrump pretended to know who I was when he obviously has no ****ing idea. VERY DISHONEST!

@realFrederickDouglass: I will be asking for an investigation into the MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD that led to black ppl and women not voting for entire first half of U.S. history!

@realFrederickDouglass: My keynote speech at Emancipation Memorial was highest rated speech with biggest crowd ever! DISHONEST CNN chose not to cover it. TERRIBLE!

@realFrederickDouglass: Only thing I have in common with @realDonaldTrump is that we both had a bankruptcy and failed business! (Freedman's Savings Bank and New Era newspaper). SAD!

@realFrederickDouglass: My name is in your mouth yet you got elected by KKK whose rise I actively fought in 1868. Excuse me while I roll over in my grave. DISASTER!

It takes talent to be this dumb.

meloanyk wrote:It will be interesting watching the hysteria of the hysterical fade as the needle is brought down and the positives begin to be realized

there is hysteria now. i'm guilty of it as are alot of folks. this is a shock to the system and what we come to expect from the leader of the country. i guess that was part of his appeal to folks.

so far, the only long term positive i've seen is the coalition forming on the left.

time will tell where this all leads - but he, nor the folks around him, inspire much confidence in any aspect - not even business wise. he has no incentives to invest in long term objectives. he will do what he can within the next 4 years b/c he may not get another. repubs are all in on their agenda.