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mrKnickShot
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1/3/2013  5:26 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.

Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.


I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats.

Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.

In 2010 he averaged 47.5% over 16 games in November. In 2009 he averaged 57% over 14 games in December and 48.1% over 17 games in March.

Wow good research smackeddog!

Wow! Based on that info, his other months must have been brutally brutal!

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1/3/2013  5:29 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.

Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.


I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats.

Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.

In 2010 he averaged 47.5% over 16 games in November. In 2009 he averaged 57% over 14 games in December and 48.1% over 17 games in March.

Wow good research smackeddog!

Thanks, though in all honesty I don't know why this thread has turned into a debate about a PGs shooting percentage! It's one of the least important stats for a PG- most of them average in the low 40s anyways. Only in Knicksland can a player work his backside off, play through essentially 2 broken hands, help guide us to a 21-8 record, and get rewarded with nothing but criticism for his FG%. FG% from the PG position! Sheesh!

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1/3/2013  5:35 PM
smackeddog wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.

Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.


I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats.

Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.

In 2010 he averaged 47.5% over 16 games in November. In 2009 he averaged 57% over 14 games in December and 48.1% over 17 games in March.

Wow good research smackeddog!

Thanks, though in all honesty I don't know why this thread has turned into a debate about a PGs shooting percentage! It's one of the least important stats for a PG- most of them average in the low 40s anyways. Only in Knicksland can a player work his backside off, play through essentially 2 broken hands, help guide us to a 21-8 record, and get rewarded with nothing but criticism for his FG%. FG% from the PG position! Sheesh!

Lol exactly. One of the greatest Combo guards in NBA history shot 42.5% from the field for his career. Dam a TS% and eFG%, WS and WS/48! Take a guess who.

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1/4/2013  12:10 PM
Lakers/Clips tonite, looking forward to this one. If anything for the Lakers press conference afterwards.
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1/4/2013  12:13 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Lakers/Clips tonite, looking forward to this one. If anything for the Lakers press conference afterwards.

Yea,if the fakers lose I wonder who kobe throws under the bus.

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1/4/2013  12:20 PM
cooch2584 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Lakers/Clips tonite, looking forward to this one. If anything for the Lakers press conference afterwards.

Yea,if the fakers lose I wonder who kobe throws under the bus.

There has been a lot of that going around with the Lakers this season. Its great watching them become drama central this season as opposed to the Knicks.

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1/4/2013  12:48 PM
Its better than losing and no drama.

Its the drama that go us thru the darker days.

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1/4/2013  12:57 PM
Why the Lakers passed on Phil Jackson with a win-now roster boggles the mind.

Pretty much wasted Kobe's last great year with the D'Antoni hire.

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1/4/2013  1:00 PM
Nalod wrote:Its better than losing and no drama.

Its the drama that go us thru the darker days.

Some of us.

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1/4/2013  1:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2013  1:46 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.

Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.


I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats.

Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.

In 2010 he averaged 47.5% over 16 games in November. In 2009 he averaged 57% over 14 games in December and 48.1% over 17 games in March.


OK, he may have done it once in eight years - he met the FG% requirement in 2009. What was his scoring? You haven't cited that for any of the samples actually.

Wow! Based on that info, his other months must have been brutally brutal!

Yeah that was my reaction too. Of course, we should be talking about TS% but it takes more work to get that info. for stretches of games.
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1/4/2013  2:05 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Why the Lakers passed on Phil Jackson with a win-now roster boggles the mind.

Pretty much wasted Kobe's last great year with the D'Antoni hire.

wait, is the season over already?

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1/4/2013  2:21 PM
Nalod wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Why the Lakers passed on Phil Jackson with a win-now roster boggles the mind.

Pretty much wasted Kobe's last great year with the D'Antoni hire.

wait, is the season over already?

Nearly 40% of the season is up, and the Lakers have racked up 16 losses in a stacked West. Unless they move up soon, they'll be doomed to face the Clips, OKC, San Antonio, or Memphis in the first round(if they make it in as a 6-8 seed).

Yup, season's over for them.

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1/4/2013  2:40 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Why the Lakers passed on Phil Jackson with a win-now roster boggles the mind.

Pretty much wasted Kobe's last great year with the D'Antoni hire.

The owner passed over the running of the team to his son, who seems to be very Dolan esq- plus there's some personal stuff going on as well, with them erasing any trace of Phil jackson when he left, including firing guys who were linked to him. Buss's son even hired his friend who works in a bar to be one of the chief scouts! I think the Lakers are about to enter the kind of era we went through the past 10 years (I think Dwight will walk).

I honestly believe it should be illegal for owners of any business to pass the reigns over to their sons- it ain't a monarchy and a lot of peoples jobs depend on them being run by people who are competent.

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1/4/2013  2:47 PM
smackeddog wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Why the Lakers passed on Phil Jackson with a win-now roster boggles the mind.

Pretty much wasted Kobe's last great year with the D'Antoni hire.

The owner passed over the running of the team to his son, who seems to be very Dolan esq- plus there's some personal stuff going on as well, with them erasing any trace of Phil jackson when he left, including firing guys who were linked to him. Buss's son even hired his friend who works in a bar to be one of the chief scouts! I think the Lakers are about to enter the kind of era we went through the past 10 years (I think Dwight will walk).

I honestly believe it should be illegal for owners of any business to pass the reigns over to their sons- it ain't a monarchy and a lot of peoples jobs depend on them being run by people who are competent.

Exactly. Like I've been saying the Lakers are becoming the "Old Knicks" of dysfunction, turmoil, coaching carousel changes, and wasted potential. This season they put the "Phuck" in "Starphuck" with their "Big 4".

In a year or 2, we'll look back at the D'Antoni Laker era after he's fired and say "Didn't they witness what happened with the Knicks before hiring him?"

Jim Buss = Old Jim Dolan

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1/4/2013  2:49 PM
What about mitch kupchak?

Dude is very qualified.

Lil Jim Buss is a moron for sure.

Does MDA's failure really that important to some of you? Seems to be more about him than the lakers.

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1/4/2013  2:56 PM
Nalod wrote:What about mitch kupchak?

Dude is very qualified.

Lil Jim Buss is a moron for sure.

Does MDA's failure really that important to some of you? Seems to be more about him than the lakers.

Could care less about the Lakers or D'Antoni. They rep the so called West Coast/Best coast so they're automatically our rivals due to geography, city size, NBA history wise (Lakers-Knicks, Chamberlain-Reed).

No need to defend D'Antoni, that's nixluva's job already.

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1/4/2013  3:16 PM
Nalod wrote:What about mitch kupchak?

Dude is very qualified.

Lil Jim Buss is a moron for sure.

Does MDA's failure really that important to some of you? Seems to be more about him than the lakers.

Mitch Kupchak is good, but before the Dwight trade there were reports that he was being phased out in favour of lil Jim Buss's decision making prowess and was getting frustrated by it.

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1/4/2013  3:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.

Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.


I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats.

Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.

In 2010 he averaged 47.5% over 16 games in November. In 2009 he averaged 57% over 14 games in December and 48.1% over 17 games in March.


OK, he may have done it once in eight years - he met the FG% requirement in 2009. What was his scoring? You haven't cited that for any of the samples actually.

And why can't you look that up yourself? I'm not your PA, man! Nov 2010- 18.6 points, 2009 Dec- 15.9pts (on 11 shots per game), March- 12.5pts.

He played the way you seem to want when he played for Brown- more efficient, fewer shots. In fact he seemed to average around 10 shots in Charlotte, and in Denver- it seems it's only when he plays for us that he takes more shots, probably due to the D'Antoni offense.

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1/4/2013  4:34 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Lin appears more comfortable and confident. For his last 13 games, he's at
15.1 PPG on .497 FG%, 6.8 assists, 3.0 TO, 3.4 Rbs, 1.8 Stls, and 0.7 Blks
I like his versatility. He'd lead our team in steals and actually be one of our best shot-blockers.

Speaking of small sample sizes, how about you break down Feltons best stretch with the Knicks....while ignoring his bad stretch (with injured hands) similar to ignoring Lins bad start.


I agree that it's best not to make too much of small samples - I think the improvement in the last 13 games is intriguing but doesn't settle anything. The best sample is always the career sample and should be analyzed in terms of win shares, wins produced, and any other well-validated stats.

Regarding, Felton, I'd be surprised if he ever had a 13 game stretch where he scored in the mid teens while shooting 50%. I'd be even more surprised if he did anything like that in his first 100 games as an NBA PG.

In 2010 he averaged 47.5% over 16 games in November. In 2009 he averaged 57% over 14 games in December and 48.1% over 17 games in March.


OK, he may have done it once in eight years - he met the FG% requirement in 2009. What was his scoring? You haven't cited that for any of the samples actually.

And why can't you look that up yourself? I'm not your PA, man! Nov 2010- 18.6 points, 2009 Dec- 15.9pts (on 11 shots per game), March- 12.5pts.

He played the way you seem to want when he played for Brown- more efficient, fewer shots. In fact he seemed to average around 10 shots in Charlotte, and in Denver- it seems it's only when he plays for us that he takes more shots, probably due to the D'Antoni offense.


If you had included the dates I would have looked it up. It appears then that he once in his eight years had as good a stretch as Lin's current one, and it wasn't until he was already a seasoned veteran.
Career wise, he hasn't had good shot-selection. He has a sub .500 TS%, which puts him close to the bottom of the NBA.
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1/4/2013  9:10 PM
joakim noah great offensive rebounder and averaging 4.4 assists per game. great player
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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