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meloshouldgo
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1/31/2017  6:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2017  6:54 PM
I think a lot of the chaos we are seeing may be intentional. This is pure conjecture on my part, I don't claim to have any evidence of this. But I do think they are testing the waters by intentionally making outlandish rulings. Part of the process is to see what sticks and how different institutions may react or pushback. Each of these than serve as data points for formulation of future strategy.

- Recently (last two days) the DHS refused to follow court rulings when it contradicted the EO. -- - Various decision making bodies are being dismantled and replaced by Tdump'S inner core group
- Kellyanne Conwoman recently said that Trump should start hiring his own security and intelligence teams (police and spies accountable only to him - sound familiar?)
- All Govt agencies are being banned from communication directly with the public
It's possible that all these things are purely coincidental and not part of some grand design. It's also possible that I will win the PowerBall and Megamallions on the same day.

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1/31/2017  6:53 PM
Trump's education secretary copied testimonies and repeated exact answers from Obama's secretary of education nominee...
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1/31/2017  7:50 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
djsunyc wrote:btw, and this may not be a popular stance but imho, the main reason why LGBT community received as many rights as they have already is b/c white men are gay too. if being gay was regulated to women only or to a particular non-white race, then they will still be suppressed.

Of course, gotta rework the narrative and come up with a new spin on Trump being anti-semitic, anti-gay, anti- everything. Otherwise the marches and whines will quickly fade. As far as suppression, some here may want to check on Islamic attitudes towards women, lgbt and blacks. Our historians may also want to check on where slavery began and who was still practicing it through world war 1

Yup democrats not republicans
http://totallyhistory.com/us-history/us-presidents/

Dems have become very adept at masking their ulterior motives by creating distractions to brainwash the masses. Republicans won for 30yrs at a time. Desperation leads to desperate measures. We are seeing a lot of desperation and scrambling from the left in 2017

This is my favorite right wing talking point. Yes, 150 years ago the Democratic party was the party of slavery since it was the party of the south. For another 100 years, the Democrats continued to be the party of segregation and the south. Then, 1960 happened and JFK ran on a platform that included Civil Rights and, all of a sudden, the South stopped being so Democratic; Alabama and Mississippi both vote for Harry F Bird and Strom Thrumond. Both are Democrats but obviously weren't the Democratic nominees; they ran on a platform against school desegregation.

Then, in 1964, LBJ is elected in a wave election over segregationist Republican Barry Goldwater who won 6 states: SC, GA, MS, AL, LA, and AZ. Excluding Arizona, this is the first time in nearly 100 years that a Republican wins any of those states and, as far as I can tell, the first time ever a Republican wins Georgia. You have to go back all the way to 1868 and Ulysses S. Grant to find a President who wins any of those 5 states. After that it's basically 100 years for a Republican to win any of those states until they nominate segregationist Barry Goldwater.

And, I already know what you're going to say next because you people have a script that you're unable to deviate from. "VCoug, more Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than Democrats! Obviously, Democrats are the real racists!" First of all, that's not true. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats but it was passed with pretty much overwhelming support from both parties but with more Democratic votes. In the House, Democrats vote in favor 153-96 and Republicans 138-34. In the Senate, Democrats vote in favor 46-21 and Republicans 27-6. But, if you dig just a little deeper you'll notice that Southerners vote aginsts in pretty overwhelming numbers. In the House, Southern Democrats vote against 87-8 and Southern Republicans 0-10. In the Senate; Southern Democrats vote against 20-1 and Southern Republicans 0-1. Southern here is defined as the old Confederacy. In addition, if you look through the actual votes in the House and the Senate, you can look up the individual histories of the Nay votes and see that at least a decent amount of the Democratic nays switch parties by the time Nixon is running for his 2nd term.

It's almost as if political parties aren't sentient beings but are made up of other people and reflect those people's views. So if those people are racist, or at least more racist than their counterparts, then the party reflects that racism. And it seems as if the white Southerners are generally more racist than the rest of the country. Which party is the party of white Southerners again?

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1/31/2017  10:24 PM
Dems should not allow this SCOTUS pick to be confirmed just on principle...Make them change the rules to get their pick in...
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2/1/2017  12:38 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

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2/1/2017  2:07 AM
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

arkrud
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2/1/2017  8:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2017  8:37 AM
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
nixluva
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2/1/2017  9:48 AM
arkrud wrote:
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

Assert our power? In what way do you mean? Everyone already knows the U.S. is the most powerful nation on Earth. Many nations rely on this fact. Trump represents instability and not security.

arkrud
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2/1/2017  10:58 AM
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

Assert our power? In what way do you mean? Everyone already knows the U.S. is the most powerful nation on Earth. Many nations rely on this fact. Trump represents instability and not security.

Asserting the power means clearly define your position and use it.
Before we can use it we must define who we are with.
If we are supporting so called "moderate" rebels is Syria we need to clearly define who are they and then support them military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Opposing_forces
Same true about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and other countries.
If we as a nation are not sure then just get the hell out and let them dig their own grave.
Are we supporting Israel state or we want it gone?
US totally withdrew from any decisions and influence in Africa leaving it all to China.
In Asia China and Russia have upper hand in every aspect of politics.
Are we supporting India or Pakistan?
Iran and North Korea have green light to proceed with nukes an ballistic rockets.
Filipinos president can talk any smack about US and US president so why others cannot.
Russia can redefine the maps of Europe and kick around its neighbors including NATO states.
The list can go on.
Our international policy and position is weakened to state which is more embarrassing that Knicks team was for last 20 years.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
holfresh
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2/1/2017  11:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2017  11:52 AM
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

Assert our power? In what way do you mean? Everyone already knows the U.S. is the most powerful nation on Earth. Many nations rely on this fact. Trump represents instability and not security.

Asserting the power means clearly define your position and use it.
Before we can use it we must define who we are with.
If we are supporting so called "moderate" rebels is Syria we need to clearly define who are they and then support them military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Opposing_forces
Same true about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and other countries.
If we as a nation are not sure then just get the hell out and let them dig their own grave.
Are we supporting Israel state or we want it gone?
US totally withdrew from any decisions and influence in Africa leaving it all to China.
In Asia China and Russia have upper hand in every aspect of politics.
Are we supporting India or Pakistan?
Iran and North Korea have green light to proceed with nukes an ballistic rockets.
Filipinos president can talk any smack about US and US president so why others cannot.
Russia can redefine the maps of Europe and kick around its neighbors including NATO states.
The list can go on.
Our international policy and position is weakened to state which is more embarrassing that Knicks team was for last 20 years.

The blind Republican view of things who only see black and white in the world and no greys...
We support Israel but we also support Palestine...You can't take their land and build settlements against all UN charters and have our support to do as you wish...
TPP would have given us the upper hand economically and more important politically in Asia but Trump is against it..
We support both India and Pakistan...We support peace not war...
Iran no longer is barrelling towards a nuclear weapon..Israel wanted us to go to war against Iran, That is not what a friend and ally does..
North Korea had a nuclear weapon under Bush..They dropped out of non-proliferation Treaty in 2003
Russia will redefine Europe because of Trump who threatens the existence of NATO and his Secretary of State...
The Republican Party has never shown any respect to Obama which is why Netanyahu and other leaders feel they can speak disrespectfully to our President...I will carry that forward tho...

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2/1/2017  12:11 PM
Canada and Mexico are now talking about opening facilities for the American companies that will have immigration problems getting their engineers into the US because of the immigration ban...
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2/1/2017  1:38 PM
arkrud wrote:
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

You fear leaders you fear, you respect leaders your respect- fearing someone is not respecting them. Leaders fear Trump not because they think he's strong but because they wonder what blunder that oaf will end up doing- much like the latter years of Boris Yeltzin When he was a drunk with his finger on the nuclear button.

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2/1/2017  2:46 PM
smackeddog wrote:
arkrud wrote:
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

You fear leaders you fear, you respect leaders your respect- fearing someone is not respecting them. Leaders fear Trump not because they think he's strong but because they wonder what blunder that oaf will end up doing- much like the latter years of Boris Yeltzin When he was a drunk with his finger on the nuclear button.

See how jacked up his thinking is? For a guy who supposedly escaped from Russia, he still worships totalitarianism and fear tactics. You can take people or of Russia, but you can't take Russia out of those people. The propaganda runs deep.

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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2/1/2017  3:24 PM
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

Assert our power? In what way do you mean? Everyone already knows the U.S. is the most powerful nation on Earth. Many nations rely on this fact. Trump represents instability and not security.

Asserting the power means clearly define your position and use it.
Before we can use it we must define who we are with.
If we are supporting so called "moderate" rebels is Syria we need to clearly define who are they and then support them military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Opposing_forces
Same true about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and other countries.
If we as a nation are not sure then just get the hell out and let them dig their own grave.
Are we supporting Israel state or we want it gone?
US totally withdrew from any decisions and influence in Africa leaving it all to China.
In Asia China and Russia have upper hand in every aspect of politics.
Are we supporting India or Pakistan?
Iran and North Korea have green light to proceed with nukes an ballistic rockets.
Filipinos president can talk any smack about US and US president so why others cannot.
Russia can redefine the maps of Europe and kick around its neighbors including NATO states.
The list can go on.
Our international policy and position is weakened to state which is more embarrassing that Knicks team was for last 20 years.

Yep. Anyone who thinks that the world or America is in a better state of global affairs then when President Obama took over is delusional. Plenty of weak kneed people are respected for their dignity and decency but those commendable personal traits mean little in the rough and tumble world where self interests rule. . A naive President Obama was led around by that jackass Clinton at the start and made so many early mistakes with the Arab Spring and compounding Bush's fockups resulted in him becoming paralyzed outside using drones and pontificating. Russian reset, red lines, two state blah blah. His words rang hollow and nations including NATO knew that there would be no teeth for aggressive actions beyond sanctions. Iran, Russia, China and Assad were all empowered as well as other regimes and became dismissive. Thought it was so hypocritical for President Obama to speak about Syrian refugees given his lack of leadership that allowed that crisis to flourish

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2/1/2017  3:42 PM
meloanyk wrote:
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

Assert our power? In what way do you mean? Everyone already knows the U.S. is the most powerful nation on Earth. Many nations rely on this fact. Trump represents instability and not security.

Asserting the power means clearly define your position and use it.
Before we can use it we must define who we are with.
If we are supporting so called "moderate" rebels is Syria we need to clearly define who are they and then support them military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Opposing_forces
Same true about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and other countries.
If we as a nation are not sure then just get the hell out and let them dig their own grave.
Are we supporting Israel state or we want it gone?
US totally withdrew from any decisions and influence in Africa leaving it all to China.
In Asia China and Russia have upper hand in every aspect of politics.
Are we supporting India or Pakistan?
Iran and North Korea have green light to proceed with nukes an ballistic rockets.
Filipinos president can talk any smack about US and US president so why others cannot.
Russia can redefine the maps of Europe and kick around its neighbors including NATO states.
The list can go on.
Our international policy and position is weakened to state which is more embarrassing that Knicks team was for last 20 years.

Yep. Anyone who thinks that the world or America is in a better state of global affairs then when President Obama took over is delusional. Plenty of weak kneed people are respected for their dignity and decency but those commendable personal traits mean little in the rough and tumble world where self interests rule. . A naive President Obama was led around by that jackass Clinton at the start and made so many early mistakes with the Arab Spring and compounding Bush's fockups resulted in him becoming paralyzed outside using drones and pontificating. Russian reset, red lines, two state blah blah. His words rang hollow and nations including NATO knew that there would be no teeth for aggressive actions beyond sanctions. Iran, Russia, China and Assad were all empowered as well as other regimes and became dismissive. Thought it was so hypocritical for President Obama to speak about Syrian refugees given his lack of leadership that allowed that crisis to flourish

What did you want him to do? Wage war on all Arab spring countries, Egypt, Libya, etc as well as maintain war in Iraq, plus start more wars vs Iran and Syria (which side do you support in Syria by the way? Assad, Al queda or ISIS). Because the wars vs Afghanistan and Iraq were so successful!

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2/1/2017  4:18 PM
VCoug wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
djsunyc wrote:btw, and this may not be a popular stance but imho, the main reason why LGBT community received as many rights as they have already is b/c white men are gay too. if being gay was regulated to women only or to a particular non-white race, then they will still be suppressed.

Of course, gotta rework the narrative and come up with a new spin on Trump being anti-semitic, anti-gay, anti- everything. Otherwise the marches and whines will quickly fade. As far as suppression, some here may want to check on Islamic attitudes towards women, lgbt and blacks. Our historians may also want to check on where slavery began and who was still practicing it through world war 1

Yup democrats not republicans
http://totallyhistory.com/us-history/us-presidents/

Dems have become very adept at masking their ulterior motives by creating distractions to brainwash the masses. Republicans won for 30yrs at a time. Desperation leads to desperate measures. We are seeing a lot of desperation and scrambling from the left in 2017

This is my favorite right wing talking point. Yes, 150 years ago the Democratic party was the party of slavery since it was the party of the south. For another 100 years, the Democrats continued to be the party of segregation and the south. Then, 1960 happened and JFK ran on a platform that included Civil Rights and, all of a sudden, the South stopped being so Democratic; Alabama and Mississippi both vote for Harry F Bird and Strom Thrumond. Both are Democrats but obviously weren't the Democratic nominees; they ran on a platform against school desegregation.

Then, in 1964, LBJ is elected in a wave election over segregationist Republican Barry Goldwater who won 6 states: SC, GA, MS, AL, LA, and AZ. Excluding Arizona, this is the first time in nearly 100 years that a Republican wins any of those states and, as far as I can tell, the first time ever a Republican wins Georgia. You have to go back all the way to 1868 and Ulysses S. Grant to find a President who wins any of those 5 states. After that it's basically 100 years for a Republican to win any of those states until they nominate segregationist Barry Goldwater.

And, I already know what you're going to say next because you people have a script that you're unable to deviate from. "VCoug, more Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than Democrats! Obviously, Democrats are the real racists!" First of all, that's not true. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats but it was passed with pretty much overwhelming support from both parties but with more Democratic votes. In the House, Democrats vote in favor 153-96 and Republicans 138-34. In the Senate, Democrats vote in favor 46-21 and Republicans 27-6. But, if you dig just a little deeper you'll notice that Southerners vote aginsts in pretty overwhelming numbers. In the House, Southern Democrats vote against 87-8 and Southern Republicans 0-10. In the Senate; Southern Democrats vote against 20-1 and Southern Republicans 0-1. Southern here is defined as the old Confederacy. In addition, if you look through the actual votes in the House and the Senate, you can look up the individual histories of the Nay votes and see that at least a decent amount of the Democratic nays switch parties by the time Nixon is running for his 2nd term.

It's almost as if political parties aren't sentient beings but are made up of other people and reflect those people's views. So if those people are racist, or at least more racist than their counterparts, then the party reflects that racism. And it seems as if the white Southerners are generally more racist than the rest of the country. Which party is the party of white Southerners again?

I really enjoy when ignorance is tackled with information. Amazing post. At some point this will degrade into an attack on how smart democrats think they are. Turns out its not the silent majority, its the stupid majority.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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2/1/2017  4:24 PM
smackeddog wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

Assert our power? In what way do you mean? Everyone already knows the U.S. is the most powerful nation on Earth. Many nations rely on this fact. Trump represents instability and not security.

Asserting the power means clearly define your position and use it.
Before we can use it we must define who we are with.
If we are supporting so called "moderate" rebels is Syria we need to clearly define who are they and then support them military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Opposing_forces
Same true about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and other countries.
If we as a nation are not sure then just get the hell out and let them dig their own grave.
Are we supporting Israel state or we want it gone?
US totally withdrew from any decisions and influence in Africa leaving it all to China.
In Asia China and Russia have upper hand in every aspect of politics.
Are we supporting India or Pakistan?
Iran and North Korea have green light to proceed with nukes an ballistic rockets.
Filipinos president can talk any smack about US and US president so why others cannot.
Russia can redefine the maps of Europe and kick around its neighbors including NATO states.
The list can go on.
Our international policy and position is weakened to state which is more embarrassing that Knicks team was for last 20 years.

Yep. Anyone who thinks that the world or America is in a better state of global affairs then when President Obama took over is delusional. Plenty of weak kneed people are respected for their dignity and decency but those commendable personal traits mean little in the rough and tumble world where self interests rule. . A naive President Obama was led around by that jackass Clinton at the start and made so many early mistakes with the Arab Spring and compounding Bush's fockups resulted in him becoming paralyzed outside using drones and pontificating. Russian reset, red lines, two state blah blah. His words rang hollow and nations including NATO knew that there would be no teeth for aggressive actions beyond sanctions. Iran, Russia, China and Assad were all empowered as well as other regimes and became dismissive. Thought it was so hypocritical for President Obama to speak about Syrian refugees given his lack of leadership that allowed that crisis to flourish

What did you want him to do? Wage war on all Arab spring countries, Egypt, Libya, etc as well as maintain war in Iraq, plus start more wars vs Iran and Syria (which side do you support in Syria by the way? Assad, Al queda or ISIS). Because the wars vs Afghanistan and Iraq were so successful!

Its a common theme from the right. No looking at the other side of the coin or considering the actual setting. You get this alot when you hear about the deficit balooning under Obama. Imagine if he sat by and let the US auto industry dry up and die? Or the entire economy destabilized and our banking system crumbled? Obama made tough ballsy calls and ultimately decided that the above points were worth the financial hit.
What is tough is GOP has created a setting for all blame to fall on the current administration. Trump is in for a tough haul.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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2/1/2017  4:43 PM
He is out and Steve Bannon in:
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2/1/2017  5:28 PM
meloanyk wrote:
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
dodger78 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
djsunyc wrote:bannon - make amerikkka white again
now it's pence's turn to make amerikkka straight again




i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

Assert our power? In what way do you mean? Everyone already knows the U.S. is the most powerful nation on Earth. Many nations rely on this fact. Trump represents instability and not security.

Asserting the power means clearly define your position and use it.
Before we can use it we must define who we are with.
If we are supporting so called "moderate" rebels is Syria we need to clearly define who are they and then support them military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Opposing_forces
Same true about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and other countries.
If we as a nation are not sure then just get the hell out and let them dig their own grave.
Are we supporting Israel state or we want it gone?
US totally withdrew from any decisions and influence in Africa leaving it all to China.
In Asia China and Russia have upper hand in every aspect of politics.
Are we supporting India or Pakistan?
Iran and North Korea have green light to proceed with nukes an ballistic rockets.
Filipinos president can talk any smack about US and US president so why others cannot.
Russia can redefine the maps of Europe and kick around its neighbors including NATO states.
The list can go on.
Our international policy and position is weakened to state which is more embarrassing that Knicks team was for last 20 years.

Yep. Anyone who thinks that the world or America is in a better state of global affairs then when President Obama took over is delusional. Plenty of weak kneed people are respected for their dignity and decency but those commendable personal traits mean little in the rough and tumble world where self interests rule. . A naive President Obama was led around by that jackass Clinton at the start and made so many early mistakes with the Arab Spring and compounding Bush's fockups resulted in him becoming paralyzed outside using drones and pontificating. Russian reset, red lines, two state blah blah. His words rang hollow and nations including NATO knew that there would be no teeth for aggressive actions beyond sanctions. Iran, Russia, China and Assad were all empowered as well as other regimes and became dismissive. Thought it was so hypocritical for President Obama to speak about Syrian refugees given his lack of leadership that allowed that crisis to flourish

Right, our NATO allies had no respect for Obama but love Trump who has said that NATO countries don't pay their fare share and that https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-15/trump-calls-nato-obsolete-and-dismisses-eu-in-german-interview

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i know you're not going to post it, so i will.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-will-continue-enforcing-2014-obama-lgbtq-workplace-order-1485866406

By DAMIAN PALETTA
Jan. 31, 2017 7:40 a.m. ET
7 COMMENTS
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump will continue to enforce a 2014 executive order that offers protections for the employees of federal contractors from discrimination based on their sexual orientation, the White House said early Tuesday.

Mr. Trump “is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community,” the White House said. It said the 2014 executive order signed by former President Barack Obama that protects LGBTQ rights for people working at federal contractors “will remain intact at the direction” of the new president.

The executive order signed by Mr. Obama barred federal contractors from hiring or firing employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

The 2014 order left in place exemptions that religious contractors currently enjoy but didn’t offer any new ones. To that end, religious contractors may continue to choose anybody they like for ministerial positions—discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or anything else if they so choose. For nonreligious posts, these contractors can continue to consider religion in hiring—but not sexual orientation or gender identity.

At the time, the Obama administration said the executive order affected 24,000 companies that collectively employed 28 million people, or one-fifth of the nation’s workforce.


Expect Trump next to coordinate with Russia, Turkey and Syria to establish safe zones. The Syrian refugee travesty falls squarely on the shoulders of President Obama due to his indecisiveness and inaction. An embarrassing U.S. failure there. Inappropriate for him to chime in given his paralysis and indifference to their crisis but celebrities need public attention even when it displays rank hypocrisy. If anything, President Obama should be apologizing for allowing their plight to unfold

Boy am I glad the days of being subjected to obama's inaction and "moral" speeches are long gone. Nothing more infuriating than watching your leader mince words time and time again after these attacks and doing nothing. For 2yrs I've been saying I wanted a President who is proactive not reactive.

Right so no more thinking, you just want a president who does something, but what he does doesn't matter? What a bizarre stance.

What would you have done in Syria? Helped assad and Al queda or helped isis?

I week and Trump is garnering respect from other world leaders. Obama was losing respect one by one

Go travelling, you'll find Obama was very widely respected, more so than most presidents, and Trump is internationally despised and a joke among people and country leaders (apart from the far right politicians). But yes Trump is more respected than Obama among fascists - what an achievement. Anti Obama feeling was entirely a right wing construction in America.

+1
Trump garnering respect internationally is one of the most ridiculous comments written on this thread yet!!!
What do you base this on?!
Orban? Facist leader of Hungary?
LePen facist presidential candidate in France?
Thats the ppl you want respect from?!

Political leader is respected when he/she is feared.
No politics anywhere is the world had any fear of Obama and by proxy to America.
Obviously country no matter how powerful it is can achieve and influence nothing if it is not respected.
This country can obviously can do some damage but cannot achieve any progress anywhere.
WE lost the grip of the world and it slipped into anarchy, war, and despair.
Trump-no-Trump it is time to assert our power again for the sake of the crumbling world.

Assert our power? In what way do you mean? Everyone already knows the U.S. is the most powerful nation on Earth. Many nations rely on this fact. Trump represents instability and not security.

Asserting the power means clearly define your position and use it.
Before we can use it we must define who we are with.
If we are supporting so called "moderate" rebels is Syria we need to clearly define who are they and then support them military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Opposing_forces
Same true about Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and other countries.
If we as a nation are not sure then just get the hell out and let them dig their own grave.
Are we supporting Israel state or we want it gone?
US totally withdrew from any decisions and influence in Africa leaving it all to China.
In Asia China and Russia have upper hand in every aspect of politics.
Are we supporting India or Pakistan?
Iran and North Korea have green light to proceed with nukes an ballistic rockets.
Filipinos president can talk any smack about US and US president so why others cannot.
Russia can redefine the maps of Europe and kick around its neighbors including NATO states.
The list can go on.
Our international policy and position is weakened to state which is more embarrassing that Knicks team was for last 20 years.

Yep. Anyone who thinks that the world or America is in a better state of global affairs then when President Obama took over is delusional. Plenty of weak kneed people are respected for their dignity and decency but those commendable personal traits mean little in the rough and tumble world where self interests rule. . A naive President Obama was led around by that jackass Clinton at the start and made so many early mistakes with the Arab Spring and compounding Bush's fockups resulted in him becoming paralyzed outside using drones and pontificating. Russian reset, red lines, two state blah blah. His words rang hollow and nations including NATO knew that there would be no teeth for aggressive actions beyond sanctions. Iran, Russia, China and Assad were all empowered as well as other regimes and became dismissive. Thought it was so hypocritical for President Obama to speak about Syrian refugees given his lack of leadership that allowed that crisis to flourish

What did you want him to do? Wage war on all Arab spring countries, Egypt, Libya, etc as well as maintain war in Iraq, plus start more wars vs Iran and Syria (which side do you support in Syria by the way? Assad, Al queda or ISIS). Because the wars vs Afghanistan and Iraq were so successful!

Its a common theme from the right. No looking at the other side of the coin or considering the actual setting. You get this alot when you hear about the deficit balooning under Obama. Imagine if he sat by and let the US auto industry dry up and die? Or the entire economy destabilized and our banking system crumbled? Obama made tough ballsy calls and ultimately decided that the above points were worth the financial hit.
What is tough is GOP has created a setting for all blame to fall on the current administration. Trump is in for a tough haul.

Obama only added about 1 trillion to the debt via a stimulus to restart the economy. The bank bailout and auto industry bailout was paid back to the government with interest...The additional 8 or so trillion was already baked into the cake with Bush Wars and tax cuts...I have posted the composition of the current debt already and will do so again when I find the chart...

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