NYKBocker wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Uptown wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Rockets doing it again tonight. Hornets slowed it down but the Harden/Lin backcourt is just too much.

Did LIn control the pace and set up his teammates?

Lin had 9 pts and shot 30% from the field. When Felts puts up those numbers he gets killed....

How many shots?

Exactly. I can live with the occasional 3-10 but not 3-20! I didn't see the game and wonder how Lin is doing with the pace...

Lin has had a bunch of 1-8's, 2-10's, 2-8's, 1-9's etc....It has been way more than occasional.

...but he controlled the pace and should've had 20 assists but his teammates always miss dunks and layups!

You guys like to look at stats....check it out. Acting like a child on posts is really disheartening. I never complain here in the UK but once in awhile I will make it known. I like the argument and UK has been one of the classiest forums around. But these kind of posts really is childish. You want to prove me wrong? Watch the games with an open mind instead of having an agenda and just pile on the kid just to prove that what you have now is better.

Lin had 5-6 games of 1-8s, 2-10s etc. His FG% is .432 for the year. His 3PtFG% is an atrocious .272. The Rockets telecast mentioned that in the month of December his FG% in 2PT range is a ridiculous .700 while his 3ptFG% was an abysmal .012. Yeah, he needs to work on that.

Felton's FG% for the year is .396. 3PT FG% .353. Felton was playing really well in the beginning and now has tailed off. Shit happens. He just needs to know his role and the Knicks will be fine. Setup his teammates and move the damn ball when need be. Having sticky fingers is not good for a PG.

Good post NYK.

Felton's needs to learn how do deal with being open all the time. Defenses have figured out that they can just sag off him and make him beat them. They now do this all game and he is taking the bait.

So what should he do if he is open? Just keep shooting 20 shots/bricks a game? Or pass these up even if open (which is an ego killer for a guy like him)? Rondo passes up wide open shots all the time and like Lin, is a pretty weak 3 point shooter (Wade too). He is still an excellent PG. If Lin is weak from 3, he should pass these up like Rondo does.

Teams now would rather have Felton take all those shots and take the Knicks out of rhythm. Melo is the offense and the rest of the Knicks play off Melo. When you have Felton taking a lot of shots, then you have a 2 man offense. Easier to guard. Teams now when Felton is in will double Melo and stay home on the shooters in the wing and let Felton do his thing. Recipe for disaster. If he is wide open for a 3, drive and and take it to the rim or better yet stop and pop in the mid range. Felton's mid range game is very good, I don't know why he does not use it more.

Lin actually started doing this lately. He won't take wide open 3s if there is still time in the shot clock. He will dribble to get closer for a mid range shot or attack the rim. His 3 pt shots last night were when the shot clock was running down.

One more issue is that on the PNR with Tyson, the defender stays back and waits by the hoop with/Tyson leaving Felton wide open in the lane for these runners which do not fall for him.

So when people talk about how good he is with Tyson in the PnR, they need to understand that this is being taken away too now. When Felton can prove to teams that he can do something positive when this happens like drive the ball all the way in and create a high pct play, then things defense may start to respect him again.

Anji wrote:I'm still waiting for the shots to start pouring in like the first month for the knicks because stupid Felton isn't handling the rock anymore.

at least our ball movement against Portland was solid.

First we need to get open/high pct shots. Then, we can worry about them falling.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Anji wrote:I'm still waiting for the shots to start pouring in like the first month for the knicks because stupid Felton isn't handling the rock anymore.

at least our ball movement against Portland was solid.

First we need to get open/high pct shots. Then, we can worry about them falling.

Yup. Right now, defenders are playing Kidd close and daring him to drive which he can't do anymore. Pablo right now is an enigma to me. He is getting his assist numbers once in awhile but the offense does not look crisp. He just seems too slow. Knicks need a healthy Felton and to manage the game.

gunsnewing wrote:It's crazy how "Knicks fans" scrutinized David Lee for his lack of defense while playing Center. Now he is an allstar and one of the best players in the game

Yeah, never understood the scrutiny. Question: What position does he play for Action Jackson more? They have him listed as F-C but they have him starting games at PF.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Anji wrote:I'm still waiting for the shots to start pouring in like the first month for the knicks because stupid Felton isn't handling the rock anymore.

at least our ball movement against Portland was solid.

First we need to get open/high pct shots. Then, we can worry about them falling.

Our ball movement was excellent the first part of the year...

gunsnewing wrote:Who would you rather have Amare or David Lee?

Nice misdirection. I strenously object, your honor.

Let's see, Amare coming off three months of rust, or DLee having the season of his double double century... Hmmmmmmm

Defensively, which I thought was the topic at hand, they are both pretty much liabilities, no?
Here's a better question: gun to your head for a block in the lane late in the game, both at the peak of health, who do you want defending your paint?

gunsnewing wrote:It's crazy how "Knicks fans" scrutinized David Lee for his lack of defense while playing Center. Now he is an allstar and one of the best players in the game

This happens with every player we have- instead of focusing on their good points, Knick fans zero in on their weakness, then talk endlessly about it until people start believing that they are the worst loser in the world who has no positive attributes and makes us lose games. Then once they've been gone for a while we start to focus exclusively on their good points, while completely ignoring the negative, until that ex-Knick becomes a god. We then use that player to repeat the process against our current players by using them as a comparison.

At the moment people are doing it with Amar'e, Felton, Novak and Tyson. Last season it was Melo.

David Lee is a good guy and nice player, but if we'd kept him there would be no Melo or Tyson or Felton or Kidd. We needed a player who would attract other players, and unfortunately he wouldn't have.

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It's crazy how "Knicks fans" scrutinized David Lee for his lack of defense while playing Center. Now he is an allstar and one of the best players in the game

This happens with every player we have- instead of focusing on their good points, Knick fans zero in on their weakness, then talk endlessly about it until people start believing that they are the worst loser in the world who has no positive attributes and makes us lose games. Then once they've been gone for a while we start to focus exclusively on their good points, while completely ignoring the negative, until that ex-Knick becomes a god. We then use that player to repeat the process against our current players by using them as a comparison.

At the moment people are doing it with Amar'e, Felton, Novak and Tyson. Last season it was Melo.

David Lee is a good guy and nice player, but if we'd kept him there would be no Melo or Tyson or Felton or Kidd. We needed a player who would attract other players, and unfortunately he wouldn't have.

Exactly "Knicks fans" focus was on how Ewing is a bad passer.

and Lin's high turnovers and 25game "fluke" even though he was a rookie forced to have the ball in his hands with Melo and Amare out. No focus on what he did for his teammates with his ability to consistently break down the D and finish and draw the defense in with his penetrating and kick out to a wide open Novak. And Lin's efficiency from the field at 44% on fewer shot attempts also overlooked