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6/23/2005  11:55 AM
its on ESPN but it is reported as close to being finished, not finalized (reported by Chad Ford so take it for what it's worth).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2093093

I don't mind the deal because we get younger but we need to add a guy like granger or get a really good shotblocking center because our defense is going to be pathetic after this deal ( and we still don't have dallas or phoenix's offense to make us a winner) .
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6/23/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Not really. If Q lives up to what is expected from US, then he is worthy of 38 MPG, as is Steph. Only slot that is up for grabs is SF, and there are not plenty of minutes, but way too many players. TT, Ariza, Malik, JYDm Penny, Maybe Houston if desperately, desperately needed (If he ends up playing in the first place). There are NOT plenty of minutes to go around.

3 positions

Ariza and Q I can see at times playing the three

Marbs, Craw & Q

Marbs, Q & Ariza

Craw, Q & Ariza.

TT is gone, either traded or let go and expired

Starting line up something like

Marb
Q
Ariza

Craw spells Marb & Q & Q can swing over to the 3- its not like Ariza is bigger or stronger than Q.
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6/23/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

players can make deals once eliminated from the playoffs but an official announcement can't happen until after the finals are over (at least i think so).

here is a post by a suns fan from another board:
i was a little shocked at first... but after it has settled, this trade is awesome

first, i think everyone could read the writing on the wall... Q was the odd man out from the get go... and what was needed back was a big man who could get boards (cover up amare's slight rebounding weakenesses), could bang around on defense (see spurs playoff series), and stay out of the lane on offense (so amare can have the interior to himself)

in light of these facts, thomas is almost the best in the league for this role... he got a lot of crap in NY cuz he was their best post player, and he's just not fit for the featured post player role... next to amare, he'll have another talented big with him and he can play within his role, which is running the pick and role (we do a lot of that if you didn't notice) and hitting mid range jumpers, which will bring the defense out away from the basket, so amare can go to work inside

aside from that, i don't think we lose a whole lot with Q... he's a good player, but because of the rest of our team, we didn't use him for all of his strengths (and weren't going to for the forseeable future), he's got a good interior and penetration game, but we didn't need that from his position... jim jackson can come in for the "small ball" lineup of last year and chuck up threes pretty much just as well, so that lineup will pretty much be unchanged if we wanna go that route

oh yeah, and we got a first round pick too!!!!

i don't think New York did too horribly in this deal, Q will give them a "true" shooting guard, which they don't have any (healthy atleast) right now... ariza is more of a sf imo, crawford is somewhere in between a pg and a sg... but in the end i'm sure it will be a bad deal, because isiah made the deal... he somehow manages to make their cap situation even WORSE... i seem to remember when he took this job he said one of his goals was to take the cap figure downward, and still try and put out a competitive team... you guys have stayed competitive, but damn... that cap is UP THERE

edit: forgot one last, and maybe the most important thing... the rest of the squad is gonna stay together: marion is gonna stay because of this, obviously this is their move to adjust to a more traditional team, it wouldn't make sense to trade him even for a good center now, cuz we wouldn't have a small forward... and this HAS to send a message to any of those teams looking to go after JJ that he's NOT leaving the suns... he's the future of the backcourt now, and this definitely says it
So after tonight, this deal could be announced? really?
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6/23/2005  11:59 AM
the more I think about this trade, the more I like it. Q is at the least an athletic beast. He plays with something resembling fire and passion. He's a big two and a capable three. It's a good deal, for the most part. Hate giving up the pick though.

I think this trade definitely means Frye is the pick - the Knicks will need someone who can play on the pick and roll with Marbury with Kurt gone. I think the trade also means Allan Houston is gone.

I wonder if this trade opens the door for a Tim Thomas for Boozer deal? For some reason, Boozer and Q make sense together to me...

PG - Marbury, Craw
SG - Q, Craw
SF - Ariza, JYD, Pick?
PF - Boozer, Sweetney, Rose
C - Frye, Mo T, Pick?

I'm hoping they still chase Stephen Hunter and or Chris Andersen with the MLE.
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6/23/2005  12:01 PM
spike, jay & beyonce, make room for brandy.



[Edited by - TMS on 06/23/2005 12:01:47]
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6/23/2005  12:08 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

the more I think about this trade, the more I like it. Q is at the least an athletic beast. He plays with something resembling fire and passion. He's a big two and a capable three. It's a good deal, for the most part. Hate giving up the pick though.

I think this trade definitely means Frye is the pick - the Knicks will need someone who can play on the pick and roll with Marbury with Kurt gone. I think the trade also means Allan Houston is gone.

I wonder if this trade opens the door for a Tim Thomas for Boozer deal? For some reason, Boozer and Q make sense together to me...

PG - Marbury, Craw
SG - Q, Craw
SF - Ariza, JYD, Pick?
PF - Boozer, Sweetney, Rose
C - Frye, Mo T, Pick?

I'm hoping they still chase Stephen Hunter and or Chris Andersen with the MLE.
Q and Boozer are both extremely strong.

I'd love to have a young lineup like

Marbury/Crawford
Q-Rich/Crawford
Ariza/
Boozer/Sweetney
Frye/Butler

We'd still have the MLE (Kwame/Hunter, maybe Big Z) and Penny's expiring contract to work with and pick #30



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/23/2005 12:18:31]
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6/23/2005  12:15 PM
depending on the pick this is fair player value for KT. Q has a reasonable deal. Anything more than the Spurs 2006 is unwise IMO. There is no way we should trade the 07 pick, as that draft will be saturated. I do like guys that can play a couple spots and Q can certainly play the 2 or 3. He's not a bal handler or a play maker
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6/23/2005  12:19 PM
Posted by fishmike:

depending on the pick this is fair player value for KT. Q has a reasonable deal. Anything more than the Spurs 2006 is unwise IMO. There is no way we should trade the 07 pick, as that draft will be saturated. I do like guys that can play a couple spots and Q can certainly play the 2 or 3. He's not a bal handler or a play maker
what if it's a 2007 pick with huge conditions like the pick we gave them in the Marbury deal (top 21 protected through 2009)? That would be okay with me, although I'd prefer to give up the the Spurs '06 pick
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6/23/2005  12:24 PM
Posted by fishmike:

depending on the pick this is fair player value for KT. Q has a reasonable deal. Anything more than the Spurs 2006 is unwise IMO. There is no way we should trade the 07 pick, as that draft will be saturated. I do like guys that can play a couple spots and Q can certainly play the 2 or 3. He's not a bal handler or a play maker
unless we're giving up a lottery pick, we got the far better end of the deal. Kurt will help on offense by openning the lane for Amare, but that team could score 120PPG without Kurt anyway. And he's definitely not the answer Phoenix needed on defense. On the defensive end, I'd probably rather have Steven Hunter than Kurt playing CENTER
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6/23/2005  12:24 PM
I think Marbury would greatly improve Q's and Frye's games (if we're drafting Frye). He may be planning to use Q as the starting SF, featuring him sometimes on the perimter and sometimes in the post. I could see something like

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Whahaha. I don't know about Q-Rich's game being more improved by Marbury than it was by Nash.

But seriously folks, our team has a lot of redundant parts. Trading Kurt would be the best thing to happen to Sweetney and Butler... and whatever young big-man we acquire.

Yeah, we'll hurt even more at center in the short term... but if you're gonna stink, you might as well go all-out in terms of stinking. :)

Maybe we'll bring over Terry Porter and play Tim Thomas as our center like he did in Milwaukee.
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6/23/2005  12:27 PM
Posted by technomaster:
I think Marbury would greatly improve Q's and Frye's games (if we're drafting Frye). He may be planning to use Q as the starting SF, featuring him sometimes on the perimter and sometimes in the post. I could see something like

<snip>

Whahaha. I don't know about Q-Rich's game being more improved by Marbury than it was by Nash.
That's the wrong way to look at it. Q wasn't allowed to use his solid post skills in Pho, but he will be in NY. And Marbury can set him up nicely in the post.
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6/23/2005  12:29 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2093093

Suns would also get conditional pick

The Phoenix Suns and New York Knicks are in serious talks about a trade that would send Quentin Richardson and a conditional future first-round pick to the Knicks for Kurt Thomas two league sources said


Ehmm, am I wrong or does it says that both teams would get conditional first round picks?

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6/23/2005  12:29 PM
Stephen A. Smith: It's going to involve a conditional 1st round pick coming to NY as well. The deal is pretty much done, pending Isiah signing off on it.
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6/23/2005  12:31 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i think the logical next step is to get boozer in here ASAP.

agreed!we need to use TT, Sweetney or pick 30 if need be. Then try to sign Big Z or Kwame for the MLE or settle for Hunter @ 2.5mil.

If we can't Boozer than use those chips to bring in Illgaukus and live with a Taylor, Rose, JYD PF rotation. Those 3 guys equal 1 decent PF I believe.

Ideal lineup:
C-Illgaukus/Bynum
PF-Boozer
SF-Ariza
SG-Q
PG-Marbury
bench:Crawford,Butler

Equally as ideal lineup:
C-Illgaukus
PF-Boozer
SF-Granger or Graham
SG-Q
PG-Marbury
bench: Crawford,Ariza,Butler

More realistic perfectly fine lineup:
C-Kwame
PF-Boozer
SF-Granger
SG-Q
PG-Marbury
bench: Crawford,Ariza,Butler

Nice lineup:
C-Hunter
PF-Boozer
SF-Granger
SG-Q
PG-Marbury
bench: Crawford,Ariza,Butler

or

Trade Marbury let TT & Penny expire, H20 come of the books and go after a Lebron, Wade, Bosh

or save the expiring contracts and hope Brand & Nene or KG become available which I doubt because the Clippers can't do better than Brand unless you're talking about Duncan or KG.

The best thing would be to just trade Marbury while you can and get under the cap and have 20win seasons but land the next big thing. The next championship calibur player but since that will never happen in New York with everyone's job on the line I would be perfectly fine with one of those previous scenarios with Larry Brown coaching and pray for Detroit-like luck!





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6/23/2005  12:33 PM
http://www.realgm.com/src_fromtherafters/69/20050623/quentin_richardson_dealt_to_the_knicks_for_kurt

I'm not sure if this link (claiming the deal is confirmed) has been posted yet.

I think this is a pretty good analysis of Q's game from hoopshype for those of you who haven't followed him throughout his career:
"Scores a lot and does it from everywhere...excellent post-up game...likes to shoot from beyond the arc...explosive and energetic...outstanding leaping skills...very good rebounder despite his size...doesn't pass the ball much."
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6/23/2005  12:34 PM
Posted by Rich:

Stephen A. Smith: It's going to involve a conditional 1st round pick coming to NY as well.
that would be outstanding!
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6/23/2005  12:35 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

http://www.realgm.com/src_fromtherafters/69/20050623/quentin_richardson_dealt_to_the_knicks_for_kurt

I'm not sure if this link (claiming the deal is confirmed) has been posted yet.

I think this is a pretty good analysis of Q's game from hoopshype for those of you who haven't followed him throughout his career:
"Scores a lot and does it from everywhere...excellent post-up game...likes to shoot from beyond the arc...explosive and energetic...outstanding leaping skills...very good rebounder despite his size...doesn't pass the ball much."

Hmmm... many Knicks players have that quality. Is this our identity or something? JK
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6/23/2005  12:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

Stephen A. Smith: It's going to involve a conditional 1st round pick coming to NY as well.
that would be outstanding!
Does that really help us? Before I had hope it would be our Spurs pick being sent over there. Now I get the impression we would be swaping our own first round pick with Phoenix's.
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6/23/2005  12:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

That's the wrong way to look at it. Q wasn't allowed to use his solid post skills in Pho, but he will be in NY. And Marbury can set him up nicely in the post.

I actually agree with this. Mark Aguirre knows ALL ABOUT getting Small Forwards to use their bulk and strength on the blocks. He taught Artest how to be much more effective down there. I think Q could potentially grow his game a lot with Aguirre.
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6/23/2005  12:53 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

Stephen A. Smith: It's going to involve a conditional 1st round pick coming to NY as well.
that would be outstanding!

This would be a dream scenario... What if it involves us getting their 21 st pick this year. So now we'd have 8, 21, 30 and 54 plus Q for KT and a fut 07 1st rder... That be Awesome!!!!!!!!
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