BlueKnickers wrote:

Chandler wrote:whoah what a brickiest/slugfest. Seems like Detroit can dish it out but can't take it.

Noticed that when A.Thompson was trying full court press on Suggs (sound familiar) he immediately passed to Banchero to bring up. That's what we should be doing, but to Hart or Briggs for example

It's what I've saying the whole playoffs whenever someone says we can't dribble against ball pressure.

Just go meet the ball handler and pass it man to man upcourt. It's faster than dribbling and breaks the press.

It's definitely a coaching item, because the Knicks sometimes fail to recognize 3/4 court pressure is underway and respond with an outlet man running back for the ball handler to pass to.

I’ve been saying it too. They should do it all the time. No need to wait for pressure. Unless you’re at the end of a quarter trying to manipulate a 2 for 1 situation I never understood the dribble up mentality. Wastes shot clock and gives the opponent a better chance to get organized and their marbles together. Put pressure on the D. Maybe you catch someone napping w a missed assignment or their back turned. We lost 2 games by a point. You exploit one more flub in each and this series is already over.

It can be both a failure to execute (Knicks) and a successful execution on behalf of the defense (ATL) at the same time.

martin wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

martin wrote:This is gonna hurt if Pablo doesn't turn it around

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At those numbers, he's a damn bust. What a disaster to pay someone that much when they haven't done squat

When you draft the # 1 and they are not great you need to trade them and cut your losses

Sunk Cost Theory says they should've moved on from him a while ago

I do not understand the role of the GM in a situation where most everyone can see a disaster in the making or a disaster situation in the making.

Giannias. Ja. JJJ traded a couple years too late. Trae. Embiid. Harden.

I really do not understand holding onto Ja, Giannis, Trae, MVP Embiid as long as their teams did. Makes zero sense. Especially in hindsight but these were readable situations.

I suppose one cannot see the future in it entirety?
Lamelo had a really good season and he was in the Trae/Jah value level to start the season.
Banchero was not a bust. He had a great Rookie year and allstaer by age 21. Then an injury season leading to this year. Busts don't produce like that. Disappointment perhaps, but not a bust.

Trading Giannis was discussed for a few years now. No doubt things went south once Dame got hurt. It was over. It was kind of a desporate move but Giannis too has some part in it by leveraging his powers to have his brothers play for bucks, and in the LEbron way of things the too made concessions to appease him and the fans. Rememaber we all saw Ewing decline and pending free agency that got Don Nelson fired and the franchise caved to his every whim. Dolan wanted a bankable star and feared the unknown which is how teams take chances and make opportunities. While we did not "Fail", we did not win chip.
Bucks have a chip with Giannis and there was a path to retool with him. They also have a new ownership structure which made any moves a bit harder until it was settled out. The structure alternates who is the governer of the team on a rotating basis.

By the time Jah was playing with guns it was time to move him. Then the injuries started. He kind of untradable and. has been.
"Sunk Cost theory" in hindsight is easy to point out. Trade him at his prime before trouble and you have fan backlash something awful. That team looked then had a bright future with JJJ, Bane with Jah, a young dynamic coach and picks! At what point do you trade Jah? At what point do you let him walk with no compensation?

Which should all remind us for all his sins, Phil JHax wanted to trade KP BEFORE he blew out his knee. Dolan fired him instead. Not saying it was not deserved but that hindsight thing is funny at times. I think we got Jaylen Brown adn a 1st round pick?
PHil always said even when we drafted him his lack of lower body mass was a concern. It was perhaps why Okafor and D'angelo Russell went ahead. After the 4th pick, there was not much to deliberate on. KP was the proper 4th pick.

And now we get to look at Orlando on the brink of an upset with Paolo!
Its not gonna be easy without Franz Wagner. Calf strain. I expect him to sit at least the next game. Orlando needs to play free in Detroit if they are to survive. These calf things turn to torn achilles. He might be done for the series? Interesting to see what happens

Nalod been harping on this Parity thing for some time and none of this **** is a suprise. I mentioned what "trechery lurks in the play in's" given how clustered together the teams were. I'd like to see Philly show up a little better and slow the celtics down.

And no, I don't feel good about tonites game! But thats the drama of it all and ATL is small and fast. They are negating our size advantage which we can't seem to execute.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Maybe Detroit failure is they don't have the speed to close off the passing lanes like ATL has. IF Brunson has no one to pass it to it gets ugly fast. Reducing the options is the key to full court press. Jalen might be a bit stubborn and wants to break it as well. Add it up, ATL is doing a good job at it. If they succeed in cutting off the options, Jalen is locked down.

It can be both a failure to execute (Knicks) and a successful execution on behalf of the defense (ATL) at the same time.

It's confusing that you are talking about Detroit failures in terms of a series being played by Atlanta and Knicks.

It seems like Detroit has a Cade TO problem and a team shooting problem and a Duran is not playing to his regular season level problem.

But not an orlando team executing a game plan better than Detroit?
I get Detroit won 60 games and orlando did not but what are the Magic doing so good at?
Or is it just Pistons are not?

Panos wrote:

Nalod wrote:Maybe Detroit failure is they don't have the speed to close off the passing lanes like ATL has. IF Brunson has no one to pass it to it gets ugly fast. Reducing the options is the key to full court press. Jalen might be a bit stubborn and wants to break it as well. Add it up, ATL is doing a good job at it. If they succeed in cutting off the options, Jalen is locked down.

It can be both a failure to execute (Knicks) and a successful execution on behalf of the defense (ATL) at the same time.

Detroit was the third best defense in the league in 2025-26 behind OKC and SAS, so I doubt ATL is better at this than they are.
Plus, Detroit destroyed NYK in two of the three regular season match with the last also being a DET victory but close, where against ATL all the games were within 5 points.
Not sure what your point is.

Orlando shot like 32%. The issue is not detroits defense. It’s their offense. Orlando has neurtralized Duran and taken away Harris and Duncan to a large degree.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Maybe Detroit failure is they don't have the speed to close off the passing lanes like ATL has. IF Brunson has no one to pass it to it gets ugly fast. Reducing the options is the key to full court press. Jalen might be a bit stubborn and wants to break it as well. Add it up, ATL is doing a good job at it. If they succeed in cutting off the options, Jalen is locked down.

It can be both a failure to execute (Knicks) and a successful execution on behalf of the defense (ATL) at the same time.

It's confusing that you are talking about Detroit failures in terms of a series being played by Atlanta and Knicks.

It seems like Detroit has a Cade TO problem and a team shooting problem and a Duran is not playing to his regular season level problem.

But not an orlando team executing a game plan better than Detroit?
I get Detroit won 60 games and orlando did not but what are the Magic doing so good at?
Or is it just Pistons are not?

I haven't watched so I am guessing.

Seems like Orlando is failing less than Detroit.

If your failing less your executing better.
I did watch the 4th quarter last night. If I were a Magic or Piston fan I'd hate the NBA.
Watching the pistons in this seris is baffling. Like how the **** did they win 60?

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Maybe Detroit failure is they don't have the speed to close off the passing lanes like ATL has. IF Brunson has no one to pass it to it gets ugly fast. Reducing the options is the key to full court press. Jalen might be a bit stubborn and wants to break it as well. Add it up, ATL is doing a good job at it. If they succeed in cutting off the options, Jalen is locked down.

It can be both a failure to execute (Knicks) and a successful execution on behalf of the defense (ATL) at the same time.

It's confusing that you are talking about Detroit failures in terms of a series being played by Atlanta and Knicks.

It seems like Detroit has a Cade TO problem and a team shooting problem and a Duran is not playing to his regular season level problem.

But not an orlando team executing a game plan better than Detroit?
I get Detroit won 60 games and orlando did not but what are the Magic doing so good at?
Or is it just Pistons are not?

I haven't watched so I am guessing.

Seems like Orlando is failing less than Detroit.

Orlando’s D is killing Detroit. Lots of turnovers. So even though Orlando is shooting poorly they’re taking more shots. Very physical, intense, moving feet and handsy too.

Yes Suggs in particular plays intense defense (can't shoot last game) and they switch very well! So it becomes a Paolo vs Cade 1 on 1 match and Cade is not playing as well as he did vs us. Not sure how we would fare against Orl in a eastern finals matchup but if Franz is hurt/out I would like our chances even better.

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