ramtour420 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:KAT is not Hartenstein or Joakim Noah or Brad Miller and shouldn't be used like this. Brown has 10 years worth of film to figure out where and how KAT needs to get the ball. This current way he's using KAT is going to cost us the season if it doesn't change and get better.

How should he be used? Let him shoot 10 3's per game? Or maybe let him drive from the 3 point land 10 times per game? Let him ISO 10 times per game? What is your solution?

Figure out a way to get him the ball in the crease. Even at full strength the pistons don’t have the ability to stop KAT in the paint without hacking him

That is for starters.

They always give KAT the ball in the exact same spot in three point land, maybe set a weak screen and it becomes (a) KAT drives to the basket looking like he has a washing machine tied to his waist, (b) jacks a three point, the majority of which now go clank or (c) Pass.

You almost never see KAT going from the side court in or criss-crossing the paint to find a place to stop and receive the ball already in mid-range where all he'd have to do is take a short mid-range bunnie or take one step and shoot away from defenders a la Bridges. He almost never stops and pops which at his size would be impossible to defend. It's stupid. It is either bombs away from way downtown or imitating a runaway train into triple coverage.

Just get him the ball while in stride FFS. That's what PnR's were invented for, to get people the ball close to the rim with less resistance.

This is all coaching fukkery at this point because Brunson is not really a PG at all and he'll go whole games without executing a single PnR. Have you ever seen a top PG go a whole game without executing a single PnR? No, you have not. Brunson is not a PG so this crap falls on Brown's shoulders and he has to be held accountable for not requiring Brunson to run such basic play action.

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If the cost of the Greek Freak were Brunson I wouldn’t be upset.

I can't call them soft and give up on the team to protect further the emotion of disappiontment.
Do I believe? LOL, Don't have to.

NO doubt after a bad loss and disappointment media fuels the seeds of doubt and calls for change.
I do agree there is a grit missing with this team that it had under Thibs. KAT is not soft. Rebounding as he does speaks to that alone.
His finess with being a strong dude is all good until he barrels into a crowd, does not get the call, the ball is stripped, and he protests. It gets old. This is who he is. When he is passing, its pretty. That is the finesse born from teams having to respect his game. The shooting? Its off this year but that can rally any time.

Off season? Change is good but it has to equate. I'd think Leon to be schrewd enough to recognize the objective and do things needed. Maybe one of the Villanova guys has to go. Mikal was about picks and eventual cap space. His value? The one pick was to take Bojan's salary. The rest? Sujective, not all picks are equal. As a trade asset? I think he'd still ahve good value. Depends on what we want in return and WHAT IS AVAILABLE. Maybe Josh is the one to go? Giannis? Who knows. Mitch? I'll wait to see how the playoffs go. We don't know what other teams will pay for him. Thus we don't know what it takes to retain him. And should we?

I'll watch the game tonite or perhaps just DVR it, and off to the United Center with my family to catch the game.
Its entertainment. Disappointment is part of the drama.

Rookie wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:KAT is not Hartenstein or Joakim Noah or Brad Miller and shouldn't be used like this. Brown has 10 years worth of film to figure out where and how KAT needs to get the ball. This current way he's using KAT is going to cost us the season if it doesn't change and get better.

How should he be used? Let him shoot 10 3's per game? Or maybe let him drive from the 3 point land 10 times per game? Let him ISO 10 times per game? What is your solution?

Figure out a way to get him the ball in the crease. Even at full strength the pistons don’t have the ability to stop KAT in the paint without hacking him

That is for starters.

They always give KAT the ball in the exact same spot in three point land, maybe set a weak screen and it becomes (a) KAT drives to the basket looking like he has a washing machine tied to his waist, (b) jacks a three point, the majority of which now go clank or (c) Pass.

You almost never see KAT going from the side court in or criss-crossing the paint to find a place to stop and receive the ball already in mid-range where all he'd have to do is take a short mid-range bunnie or take one step and shoot away from defenders a la Bridges. He almost never stops and pops which at his size would be impossible to defend. It's stupid. It is either bombs away from way downtown or imitating a runaway train into triple coverage.

Just get him the ball while in stride FFS. That's what PnR's were invented for, to get people the ball close to the rim with less resistance.

This is all coaching fukkery at this point because Brunson is not really a PG at all and he'll go whole games without executing a single PnR. Have you ever seen a top PG go a whole game without executing a single PnR? No, you have not. Brunson is not a PG so this crap falls on Brown's shoulders and he has to be held accountable for not requiring Brunson to run such basic play action.

I. love.this.post.

If the cost of the Greek Freak were Brunson I wouldn’t be upset.

It would be a new direction for sure, but no one should be untouchable if you're going to reboot with Giannis.

At one point Brunson was looking like a Top 10 player with the way he closed out so many wins with clutch baskets.

But now that we're seeing how everything fits together, the cracks are widening and it is pretty obvious he is only an elite gunner and elite at nothing else.

Brunson has brief interludes where he focuses on getting the whole team involved, but his mental wiring is so BINARY it is like an Off/On switch he has to consciously flip in order to focus on facilitation. Most of the time, his approach is to take the shot and beat the coverage himself.

It doesn't have to be that way for a key reason: A player with his immense ISO skills has so much gravity he does get defenses to collapse on him. The problem is he doesn't exploit that very much.

Again, this falls on the coach to rectify. Brunson is probably coachable to make these adjustments, but it is getting late in the season for Brown to demonstrate his authority and force these corrections to happen.

In a nutshell, Giannis is an MVP. Brunson will never be one. It is not just that Giannis is very impactful on both ends of the floor. The Pistons game shows what a budding MVP looks like with Cade who effortlessly finds his teammates WHILE lighting it up himself. Different player, 6'8", of course, but MVPs make everyone around them better. Even when you hated Lebron you couldn't argue against the fact he lifted his teams up with his court awareness and facilitation.

I've already stated why I was not a Melo fan. It is always a gigantic mistake to build a whole team around an ISO scorer. IT NEVER WORKS.

I'm still holding on to a sliver of hope Brunson can evolve, but if he still needs a coach breathing down his neck to run PnRs then the window may be closing on Brunson's continued upside as well. You cannot contend by relying on one guy to always take the last shot. Classic closers around whom championship teams were built in the past also contributed other skills. Right now Brunson is starting to look like a one-trick pony.

Would pairing Brunson with Giannis work? Probably, simply because Giannis is a basketball genius compared to KAT and he would impose his will on Brunson when the coach is AWOL. Brunson would have to defer more to a better player and sometimes that is what a top high-usage ISO player needs to happen.

But if you got Giannis and had another PG instead that's also a possibility.

All of this will be on the table if this team continues to show zero toughness and forget how to play team basketball against teams that have their number.

BlueKnickers wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:KAT is not Hartenstein or Joakim Noah or Brad Miller and shouldn't be used like this. Brown has 10 years worth of film to figure out where and how KAT needs to get the ball. This current way he's using KAT is going to cost us the season if it doesn't change and get better.

How should he be used? Let him shoot 10 3's per game? Or maybe let him drive from the 3 point land 10 times per game? Let him ISO 10 times per game? What is your solution?

Figure out a way to get him the ball in the crease. Even at full strength the pistons don’t have the ability to stop KAT in the paint without hacking him

That is for starters.

They always give KAT the ball in the exact same spot in three point land, maybe set a weak screen and it becomes (a) KAT drives to the basket looking like he has a washing machine tied to his waist, (b) jacks a three point, the majority of which now go clank or (c) Pass.

You almost never see KAT going from the side court in or criss-crossing the paint to find a place to stop and receive the ball already in mid-range where all he'd have to do is take a short mid-range bunnie or take one step and shoot away from defenders a la Bridges. He almost never stops and pops which at his size would be impossible to defend. It's stupid. It is either bombs away from way downtown or imitating a runaway train into triple coverage.

Just get him the ball while in stride FFS. That's what PnR's were invented for, to get people the ball close to the rim with less resistance.

This is all coaching fukkery at this point because Brunson is not really a PG at all and he'll go whole games without executing a single PnR. Have you ever seen a top PG go a whole game without executing a single PnR? No, you have not. Brunson is not a PG so this crap falls on Brown's shoulders and he has to be held accountable for not requiring Brunson to run such basic play action.

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Thanks

It's even better when you read it with this as the soundtrack

I love the track. Good song

BlueKnickers wrote:............ which leads me to the question:

Is the only to build a team around Brunson is to give the primary ball handling duties to a PG and slot Brunson as the off guard?

This may become Brunson's legacy if the Knicks don't figure out the answer to this question.

I cannot in good conscience say Brunson is a PG any longer. It's a fiction.

Either he has to change his game or they need to change the roster.

That’s Brunson’s game he is primary ball handler with great footwork and a great scorer. He’s not an off ball guy who can moonlight as a 2 guard