LivingLegend wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Kinda like having the early version of DRose and IQ. Should be perfect.

Maybe thats the plan. Clarkson and Deuce share the PG duties off the bench. They will also take most of the shots. Not sure how affective Josh Hart will look next to these guys. Will be interesting.

This is my issue with Hart because I find myself saying the same thing you just said.

In almost every line-up there is a question but how will Josh fit with this group?

He sticks out like a sore thumb in a game that continues to value perimeter shooting and D. Mention D because I don't think he plays it.

So let me try to understand your position. Last season while playing with a shoot first lead guard and no real backup at PG and being one of the best defensive rebounding wings in the NBA and breaking the Knicks single season Triple Double record...... Josh Hart this season while playing with a shoot first lead guard and no true backup PG
... will convert to a no defense completely lost on offense player? Apologies in advance for the use of the R word.....but wondering if this board is going full blown retard?

SupremeCommander wrote:I feel like Kolek could very easily become TJ McConnell pt 2

foosballnick wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Kinda like having the early version of DRose and IQ. Should be perfect.

Maybe thats the plan. Clarkson and Deuce share the PG duties off the bench. They will also take most of the shots. Not sure how affective Josh Hart will look next to these guys. Will be interesting.

This is my issue with Hart because I find myself saying the same thing you just said.

In almost every line-up there is a question but how will Josh fit with this group?

He sticks out like a sore thumb in a game that continues to value perimeter shooting and D. Mention D because I don't think he plays it.

So let me try to understand your position. Last season while playing with a shoot first lead guard and no real backup at PG and being one of the best defensive rebounding wings in the NBA and breaking the Knicks single season Triple Double record...... Josh Hart this season while playing with a shoot first lead guard and no true backup PG
... will convert to a no defense completely lost on offense player? Apologies in advance for the use of the R word.....but wondering if this board is going full blown retard?

Either everyone is retarded but u or you’re retarded and everybody else is normal. Guess we have to wait and see.

And the R word was definitely a bad choice of words. Doesn’t affect me personally, but can’t speak for the rest.

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Kinda like having the early version of DRose and IQ. Should be perfect.

Maybe thats the plan. Clarkson and Deuce share the PG duties off the bench. They will also take most of the shots. Not sure how affective Josh Hart will look next to these guys. Will be interesting.

This is my issue with Hart because I find myself saying the same thing you just said.

In almost every line-up there is a question but how will Josh fit with this group?

He sticks out like a sore thumb in a game that continues to value perimeter shooting and D. Mention D because I don't think he plays it.

So let me try to understand your position. Last season while playing with a shoot first lead guard and no real backup at PG and being one of the best defensive rebounding wings in the NBA and breaking the Knicks single season Triple Double record...... Josh Hart this season while playing with a shoot first lead guard and no true backup PG
... will convert to a no defense completely lost on offense player? Apologies in advance for the use of the R word.....but wondering if this board is going full blown retard?

Either everyone is retarded but u or you’re retarded and everybody else is normal. Guess we have to wait and see.

And the R word was definitely a bad choice of words. Doesn’t affect me personally, but can’t speak for the rest.

Yeah, probably Dementia was the more accurate description. And not, not everyone on the board, just those high volume posters who crowd the forum up with definitive statements like "Leon fired Thibs because he didn't play the Yootz" or "Hart doesn't play Defense"

Brown will lean on Hart for the 2nd unit. Brown loves to push the pace and that's what Hart does within his 10 rebounds per game. Since Hart grabs so many rebounds he will have the ball in his hands. Which he will do what he does, either pushing all the way to the rack to attack himself. Or push and attempt to find Deuce and others lined up for 3 etc. As well has the 2 head scratching passes a game. Maybe 1 now since his mins will probably be cut to the 20s instead of 30s now.

Clarkson, Deuce, Hart, Yabu, Towns works fine. Optimal space for Hart to attack off a rebound with effective shooters that opponents have to account for.

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:

He's got a bag... it's a discount bag

I just wish Thibs gave him more minutes last year so he could get in rhythm

fishmike wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:I think Clarkson is the backup PG - with Deuce as a de facto 2nd.

Kinda like having the early version of DRose and IQ. Should be perfect.

Maybe thats the plan. Clarkson and Deuce share the PG duties off the bench. They will also take most of the shots. Not sure how affective Josh Hart will look next to these guys. Will be interesting.

This is my issue with Hart because I find myself saying the same thing you just said.

In almost every line-up there is a question but how will Josh fit with this group?

He sticks out like a sore thumb in a game that continues to value perimeter shooting and D. Mention D because I don't think he plays it.

So let me try to understand your position. Last season while playing with a shoot first lead guard and no real backup at PG and being one of the best defensive rebounding wings in the NBA and breaking the Knicks single season Triple Double record...... Josh Hart this season while playing with a shoot first lead guard and no true backup PG
... will convert to a no defense completely lost on offense player? Apologies in advance for the use of the R word.....but wondering if this board is going full blown retard?

Either everyone is retarded but u or you’re retarded and everybody else is normal. Guess we have to wait and see.

And the R word was definitely a bad choice of words. Doesn’t affect me personally, but can’t speak for the rest.

Yeah, probably Dementia was the more accurate description. And not, not everyone on the board, just those high volume posters who crowd the forum up with definitive statements like "Leon fired Thibs because he didn't play the Yootz" or "Hart doesn't play Defense"

yeah I dont get the Josh slander. Mike Brown already knows what the last coach knew. The Knicks are better when Josh plays. I cant wait until Mike Brown plays Josh Hart 37mpg

Sorry, maybe I missed the argument. You guys are saying Josh plays good defense? OK But he doesn't shoot the ball and needs the ball in his hands to play make. My point is Clarkson and Deuce will shoot the ball and run the point, which leaves less touches for Josh, who can also push the ball up the court. Might be a good thing to have 3 guys on the floor, who can push the rock. Will be interesting to see how Josh Hart looks next to these ball hogs. I figured moving Josh to the bench makes him the main playmaker, but JC will share those duties.

What drives me crazy about Josh is he doesn't box out. I don't know how he gets so many rebounds without boxing out. But when you don't box out, your man has an open lane to get offensive rebounds. At 6'4 it's easy for PFs to reach over Josh. But I'm assuming under Mike Brown, Josh will slide back to his normal position at SF.

Last season, the entire teams defense suck (guarding the 3pt line), and players were driving by Josh Hart and others. Hopefully that changes under Mike Brown. Because as soon as I see more open 3s, I'm going to break the TV.

jaydh wrote:

fishmike wrote:
yeah I dont get the Josh slander. Mike Brown already knows what the last coach knew. The Knicks are better when Josh plays. I cant wait until Mike Brown plays Josh Hart 37mpg

i love having a non-shooter on the wing as well