franco12 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:I legit don't get the minutes police thing. Pacers are all about minutes and their whole team is injured.

So? What's the deal.

4 of our 5 starters are now leading the league in minutes. Its another mad dash to win the regular season.

This is what my older brother said about the Riley Knicks and it has stuck with me, and it applied to Van Gundy.

These coaches get their guys to go all out during the regular season, and then they get to the playoffs and the other team steps up their game, but we don’t have another gear cause we’ve been redlining the whole season.

I’m glad our guys are healthy and fit enough to go play long minutes, but we risk it. I don’t want OG to sit, but the dude is going to get tired (he already seems tired) and break down.

And I was all about getting Sims into the starting line up, moving Mikal to the bench. I’m not saying to play bench guys a lot more minutes- just a few - every other team somehow manages to find kids in the first round that can play, but we have to develop them by benching them for 10 games after one mistake that the regular starters make game, game out.

Clean wrote:

franco12 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:I legit don't get the minutes police thing. Pacers are all about minutes and their whole team is injured.

So? What's the deal.

4 of our 5 starters are now leading the league in minutes. Its another mad dash to win the regular season.

This is what my older brother said about the Riley Knicks and it has stuck with me, and it applied to Van Gundy.

These coaches get their guys to go all out during the regular season, and then they get to the playoffs and the other team steps up their game, but we don’t have another gear cause we’ve been redlining the whole season.

I’m glad our guys are healthy and fit enough to go play long minutes, but we risk it. I don’t want OG to sit, but the dude is going to get tired (he already seems tired) and break down.

And I was all about getting Sims into the starting line up, moving Mikal to the bench. I’m not saying to play bench guys a lot more minutes- just a few - every other team somehow manages to find kids in the first round that can play, but we have to develop them by benching them for 10 games after one mistake that the regular starters make game, game out.

The bold has happened to Thibs to. I am used to having people deny the obvious. It was the same way with Randle. I got into so many debates about him. Now he is on another team people are free to say the same stuff I been saying for years. The same stuff Minn fans are saying now.

Let us know when you think this has happened here with the Knicks. Feel free to not hold back.

As a reference point, the Knicks team last year rocked it during the playoffs.

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

franco12 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:I legit don't get the minutes police thing. Pacers are all about minutes and their whole team is injured.

So? What's the deal.

4 of our 5 starters are now leading the league in minutes. Its another mad dash to win the regular season.

This is what my older brother said about the Riley Knicks and it has stuck with me, and it applied to Van Gundy.

These coaches get their guys to go all out during the regular season, and then they get to the playoffs and the other team steps up their game, but we don’t have another gear cause we’ve been redlining the whole season.

I’m glad our guys are healthy and fit enough to go play long minutes, but we risk it. I don’t want OG to sit, but the dude is going to get tired (he already seems tired) and break down.

And I was all about getting Sims into the starting line up, moving Mikal to the bench. I’m not saying to play bench guys a lot more minutes- just a few - every other team somehow manages to find kids in the first round that can play, but we have to develop them by benching them for 10 games after one mistake that the regular starters make game, game out.

The bold has happened to Thibs to. I am used to having people deny the obvious. It was the same way with Randle. I got into so many debates about him. Now he is on another team people are free to say the same stuff I been saying for years. The same stuff Minn fans are saying now.

Let us know when you think this has happened here with the Knicks. Feel free to not hold back.

As a reference point, the Knicks team last year rocked it during the playoffs.

The wonderful thing about the NBA is that it's history goes back further than last season. Lets take a look at Thibs reg season vs playoff performances.

Reg Season: [2010-2011] - won 62 games - 75.6% of games
Playoffs: Lost 4 - 1 in ECF

Reg Season: [2011-2012] - won 50 Games(Short Season) - 75.8% of Games
Playoffs: Lost 4 - 2 in 1st Round

Reg Season: [2012-2013] - won 45 games - 54.9% of games
Playoffs: Lost 4 - 1 in the 2nd Round

Reg Season: [2013-2014] - won 48 games - 58.5% of games
Playoffs:Lost 4 - 1 in the 1st Round

Reg Season: [2014-2015] - won 50 games - 61% of games
Playoffs: Lost 4 - 2 in the 2nd Round

Reg Season: [2017-2018] - won 47 games - 57.3% of games
Playoffs: Lost 4 - 1 in the 1st Round

Reg Season: [2020-2021] - won 41 games(Short Season) - 56.9% of games
Playoffs: Lost 4 - 1 in the 1st Round

Reg Season: [2022-2023] - won 47 games - 57.3% of games
Playoffs: Lost 4 - 2 in the 2nd Round

Reg Season: [2023-2024] - won 50 games - 61% of games
Playoffs: Lost 4 - 3 in the 2nd Round

Looking at the data I now know why you wanted to limit it to the Knicks. I am sorry but last season was the exception to the rule when you look at all the playoffs he been in. Looking at the other years I am having a hard time finding a season where he over performed from his regular season. The funny thing is last year maybe if he would have played Alec Burks more during the 76ers and early Pacers series Hart and OG would have lasted long enough to actually beat the Pacers. We kept having players go down with injuries and he just kept piling up the minutes on the main guys. When we got so injured he was force to play Burks then Burks started killing the Pacers showing he could have helped the whole time if he was given a chance.

I don’t get it. Your regular season win % has nothing to do with what you are talking about really. That’s not how it works?

And I’m asking about the Knicks cause that’s all that is relevant to this discussion and assumption of yours.

martin wrote:Clean, in 2017 the Wolves went from a 31 win team to a 47 win team and made it to playoff for first time in like 14 years.

They met a 65 win Houston team in first round and predictably lost 1-4.

That’s the context.

Do you think they lost cause Houston was just better or because Thibs was redlining his own team during the regular season?

Don’t make it something’s it’s not? Seems like a much better team beat a very inexperienced team.

Facts are yucky.