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Kats contribution vs the Celtics will not be raw stats. It will be spreading the defense. Remember the zones teams run on us? Yea, that is a thing of the past.

This. It’s amazing how last 3 months we’ve heard non stop crying over losing Hart’s offensive ability at Center. Now we have a Center who is a legit scorer both in the paint and beyond 3 but oh wait we just lost a backup shooting guard

blkexec wrote:Where’s the TRADE RANDLE THREAD when you need it.
Thumbs down Randle is gone.
DDV will be missed. But there was no minutes for him.
It’s not about who we lost, but what opportunities did we create with existing players?
With DDV the DEUCE was buried. Now the DEUCE IS LOOSE.

JB will go but this year with the paint being wide open now.
More pros than cons with this trade.

We won’t see this until January but JB, Mikal, OG, KAT and Mitch is a solid starting 5.

When OG is inevitably injured play KAT at PF and Sims at C.

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DLeethal wrote:The signals towards this trade were pretty obvious. Stockpiling backup guards, Morris pickup, leaving C position open, no Randle extension etc.

Will be interesting to see how this team operates with a sniper at C. Also we have the defensive wing power to offset any lack of anchorship from Towns. This team can be a top 5 on D and top 5 on O kind of team IMO. Can’t underestimate two DPOY caliber wings on the same team.

Towns proved last year he can be an elite #2 next to an alpha guard. He also proved he can contribute on the #1 overall defense. He shed his “losing player” label and made a deep playoff run through a brutal West.

We seem a little thin now though. I wonder if we start Precious and bring Hart off the bench. But this settles all of the lingering lineup/rotation questions. Opens lanes for Dadiet and Kolek and also Deuce. And gives Brunson more space than he’s ever had before.

I’ve seen this likened to Celtics trading Smart for Porzingis. A gut punch trading the heart and soul of their team but a necessary move to give them a championship level offense.

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We are also built slightly better for Towns than Minny was. Combination of Brunson, Mikal, OG, Hart, Deuce, Mitch, Precious is better fit than that Conley, Ant, Mcdaniels, Rudy, Reid, Walker, Anderson. Stronger overall at the G position to feed and feed off of KAT than the overlap at the 4/5 that Minny held.

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I am by no means a news breaker, but I am hearing that Donte DiVincenzo was actually unhappy in New York and was NOT as into the Nova Boys thing as has been advertised

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technomaster wrote:I like this trade. Sure, it hurts to lose Randle and DiVincenzo, but I think it reshapes our roster in mostly positive ways.

Towns: On offense, he does everything Hartenstein did - and better almost across the board. He does a great job as a high post distributor and allows us to continue that fluid style of play. He's also a legit 3pt shooter (39.8% for his career!) and give us a 3pt shooting center for the first time in Knicks history.

On defense, while he's not an elite shot blocking threat, he's a 7 footer and gives us a LOT more length than Randle would as a fill-in center. And his team tends to play better with him on the floor. His +/- was a whopping +321 last season, with a PER of 23.8. Wow.

So now some rationalizations:
* We badly needed a proven starting center. Mitch won't be in true game shape until after the all star break, and recent whispers said that Randle wasn't going to be ready for the start of the season, so we were getting into risky territory. Coupled with the fact that both of those players were unavailable for much of the 2nd of the season and playoffs with their annual late season injuries, it's quite frankly good business to plug in this hole on an otherwise championship-quality roster
* We needed to balance the logjam at swingman. The Bridges trade, while quite excellent, set us up with a messy log jam of swingman-sized talent, with Hart and DiVincenzo likely playing reserve minutes in spite of their starter-quality talent. They certain proved their capabilities during the playoffs, showing off what they could do when given 40mpg! Then there's the emerging McBride and highly touted rookie Kolek, both of whom looked slated for borderline garbage time/change of pace roles. DiVincenzo opens up 20-25 mins of playing time. Let's just say that we had too much of a luxury of talent off the bench, and we've traded that for a starter.
* When healthy, we'll be a match up nightmare - With KAT as our starter, I anticipate a healthy starting lineup including KAT/Hart/OG/Bridges/Brunson, and Mitch moving to the bench. This gives us a mix of shooters, defenders, fundamental ball movers, cutters, and passers in our best lineup. We also have the option to play 2 7 footers at the same time.

My main thing is that Wolves teams with KAT as the starting center have been bad defensively. How bad? They mortgaged their future for Gobert. So I don't see the idea of playing KAT at center as positive. The team lost depth and Thibs has somethings to figure out defensively. Towns is a great shooter. But I feel it won't make up for the loss of Randle's inside physicality and Donte's prolific three points shooting. Time will tell and I hope I'm wrong.

This!

My main issue with KAT. He is not a dog. Does not like the lights.
JB is a dog.
Josh is a dog.
Randle is a dog.
Donte is a dog.
Minny had two Max in KATS and Rudy and with AE ( a top 3 in NBA) they were still short.
Watching KAT for years and can’t wait to see the reaction of the many soft missed threes from your Center position.
Maybe NY changes him and being at the Center position gets him back around the basket.
Do agree that before Gobert he was different.

Trust in Leon!
This is our chip team.
It’s do or die. Cuz no one is taking OGs and KATs contract if we don’t or they get hurt again.

Randle liked the lights? Sorry but dude shrunk in the playoffs more than any star I've ever seen. And not just playing poorly, but full out tantrums.

One good playoff game in 5 years here

JesseDark wrote:Landry Shamet has to fill the Divencino role as a 3 pt sniper.

Or McBride

martin wrote:Maybe this is just pr cleanup too, who knows

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I was thinking earlier that soon we will get the leaks about how NYK wanted no part of trading DDV and eventually caved

martin wrote:I’m throwing my hat into the Precious starts ring

I’m not there yet but we kind of need Hart as a supersub / finisher more than starter.

Kolek - Deuce - Shamet/Morris - Mitch/Precious is a weak bench