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NYKBocker
Posts: 38308 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
8/10/2024 10:16 AM
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Alpha1971
Posts: 23156 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 1/17/2022 Member: #9006 |
8/10/2024 6:00 PM
Nalod wrote:NYKBocker wrote: Fear mongering is really all he may need. His supporters want to be afraid it justified their world view. His base sees sin and death abounding. They see their Christian beliefs under threat as if they are the ones oppressed, sadly I'm a Christian too but don't share that view. They see aliens coming to take their lives, they see brown people replacing them, they see everything happening as benign as diversity on TV as indicative of their end. Fox News business model is not based on positively viewing the world. Trump promises to take away their fears and cut their taxes as a bonus. Whether he delivered or not in his time in office doesn't matter. Fear is a popular selling point for voters. |
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Nalod
Posts: 70712 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
8/10/2024 7:31 PM
its an hour long podcast but worth the investment.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/02/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-tim-walz.html?smid=url-share |
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martin
Posts: 74860 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
8/17/2024 6:43 PM
Here you go. This is the level of stupidity from this candidate. This is embarrassing, for everyone.
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gradyandrew
Posts: 22353 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/19/2021 Member: #8959 |
8/17/2024 8:11 PM
martin wrote:Here you go. This is the level of stupidity from this candidate. This is embarrassing, for everyone.Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/03/05/we-know-what-bad-trade-policy-looks-like-but-what-about-good-trade-policy/ Dean Baker has some good points as a progressive economist regarding tariffs. While tariff elimination has benefitted all consumers, their elimination has had a negative effect on domestic manufacturing jobs. Professionals, whether doctors, lawyers, or barbers, and copyright holders operate with considerable government protection, so they enjoy low priced manufactured goods while getting high salaries in protected fields. Baker has a lot of interesting ideas for mitigating those problems and just a more level economy overall, but his main point is simply saying tariffs are bad isn't nuanced enough. |
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ESOMKnicks
Posts: 21420 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/14/2015 Member: #6064 |
8/18/2024 4:20 AM LAST EDITED: 8/18/2024 4:20 AM
I have decided to cut through the leftist media propaganda and see Trump for myself in his recent "we are all intellectuals today" NC speech. My impression: a rambling, vile and increasingly incoherent orator for dimwits. So, the "leftist mainstream media" is not exaggerating.
Can anyone recommend something from Kamala to form an opinion on her as a potential future leader of the country? From newsclips here and there I get a sense that she is kinda ditzy, but I want to see for myself if this impression is fair. |
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martin
Posts: 74860 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
8/18/2024 11:35 AM LAST EDITED: 8/18/2024 12:02 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:I have decided to cut through the leftist media propaganda and see Trump for myself in his recent "we are all intellectuals today" NC speech. My impression: a rambling, vile and increasingly incoherent orator for dimwits. So, the "leftist mainstream media" is not exaggerating. Trump has been prominent in the media since 2016. He has a long, ugly personal history building up to his presidency (lots of mob related stuff with a side of being tight with Jeffery Epstein and that assortment of folks, along with the fairly well establish money laundering ties through his businesses), for which he spent 4 years spewing idiot level understanding of well established facts and thought processes. Trump had quite a prominent role during the pandemic that captured lots of his stupidity, all on the world stage for lots of people to witness. It apparently took you until today to realize this. It is 2024. Kamala has been the VP of the United States and senator and AG of the state with the 5th biggest economy in the world. I don’t know if you are American or not but this speaks volumes. Your ditzy comment is the icing on the cake for this abyss sized gap in your base understanding of fairly prominent things. Why are you relying on Knicks fan website to get you even this far? Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Nalod
Posts: 70712 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
8/18/2024 1:29 PM LAST EDITED: 8/18/2024 1:31 PM
martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:I have decided to cut through the leftist media propaganda and see Trump for myself in his recent "we are all intellectuals today" NC speech. My impression: a rambling, vile and increasingly incoherent orator for dimwits. So, the "leftist mainstream media" is not exaggerating.
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ToddTT
Posts: 29919 Alba Posts: 53 Joined: 8/30/2001 Member: #105 |
8/18/2024 1:35 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:I have decided to cut through the leftist media propaganda and see Trump for myself in his recent "we are all intellectuals today" NC speech. My impression: a rambling, vile and increasingly incoherent orator for dimwits. So, the "leftist mainstream media" is not exaggerating.
Here's hoping that more and more people see things for what/who they really are. Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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foosballnick
Posts: 21516 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/17/2010 Member: #3148 |
8/18/2024 3:43 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:I have decided to cut through the leftist media propaganda and see Trump for myself in his recent "we are all intellectuals today" NC speech. My impression: a rambling, vile and increasingly incoherent orator for dimwits. So, the "leftist mainstream media" is not exaggerating. Not sure this is serious or not. In case it is, Trump has been making stump speeches for 9 years and during that time was President for 4. Have you never actually listened to him directly? Not much has changed regarding his vileness and rambling....however he has become increasingly incoherent over time. "Ditzy" was a term used over 50 years ago that originated during the woman's lib movement that started in the late 60's. Generally used to label/paint women as having lesser intelligence. Sounds like what they are trying to do to Kamala. |
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ESOMKnicks
Posts: 21420 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/14/2015 Member: #6064 |
8/19/2024 3:30 AM LAST EDITED: 8/19/2024 4:26 AM
I can certainly find a speech by Kamala to form an unbiased opinion about her as a potential future president on my own. But I was sincerely asking for recommendations from knowledgeable people, whose opinions I have grown to trust over 10 years of reading their basketball discussions, and was sincerely expressing my current thoughts, while admitting that they may be based on insufficient and superficial info.
The fact that I asked people who are actively involved in a political discussion topic for advice as to what to watch to get better informed, and instead got loads of feedback about everything that may be wrong with me is very telling. Political discourse is fraught with too much mistrust, paranoia and hostility, and there is too much tendency to carp on the other interlocutor's alleged intentions and choice of words rather than substantive things. And such attitude is, regrettably, coming not only from the Trumpist camp. "Oh, he said "ditzy", he must be trying to pull off a right-wing provocation here!" Social phenomena like Trumpism exist precisely because of such "us vs them" mentality. And, Martin, yes, I am an American and an FL-registered voter to boot. The fact that I am an immigrant and have been living outside of the US for 20 years does not make me any less American than you. Especially as far as the IRS is concerned. And I do not think my English is any worse than yours, frankly. |
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Alpha1971
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8/19/2024 6:03 AM LAST EDITED: 8/19/2024 6:04 AM
An observation on the term ditzy. I have never heard of a black woman referred to as ditzy. In itself that is an improvement in a sense. Black woman often face the accusation of being angry, unfeminine, combative, disagreeable. Recall recently Trump got angry, for show, at a gathering of and organization of Black journalists terms like ditzy usually are reserved for attractive woman who people try make them seem less intelligent due to their looks and often youth. The fact the term ditzy was used means that she is being afforded a grace of being considered youthful feminine, and attractive terms not often extended to black women in power. So I guess that gives Harris a few fewer obstacles to overcome in the way she is perceived outside of her qualifications. The right wing will just imply she got where she is solely on racial and gender affirmative action and having a Jewish husband you know normal Republican stuff
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ESOMKnicks
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8/19/2024 6:37 AM LAST EDITED: 8/19/2024 6:53 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:An observation on the term ditzy. I have never heard of a black woman referred to as ditzy. In itself that is an improvement in a sense. Black woman often face the accusation of being angry, unfeminine, combative, disagreeable. Recall recently Trump got angry, for show, at a gathering of and organization of Black journalists terms like ditzy usually are reserved for attractive woman who people try make them seem less intelligent due to their looks and often youth. The fact the term ditzy was used means that she is being afforded a grace of being considered youthful feminine, and attractive terms not often extended to black women in power. So I guess that gives Harris a few fewer obstacles to overcome in the way she is perceived outside of her qualifications. The right wing will just imply she got where she is solely on racial and gender affirmative action and having a Jewish husband you know normal Republican stuff A female politician can be youthful, feminine, attractive and fun-loving without coming across as ditzy at all. This is how it looks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnQUQHhhO5I&t=239s |
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Alpha1971
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8/19/2024 6:56 AM LAST EDITED: 8/19/2024 6:59 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:An observation on the term ditzy. I have never heard of a black woman referred to as ditzy. In itself that is an improvement in a sense. Black woman often face the accusation of being angry, unfeminine, combative, disagreeable. Recall recently Trump got angry, for show, at a gathering of and organization of Black journalists terms like ditzy usually are reserved for attractive woman who people try make them seem less intelligent due to their looks and often youth. The fact the term ditzy was used means that she is being afforded a grace of being considered youthful feminine, and attractive terms not often extended to black women in power. So I guess that gives Harris a few fewer obstacles to overcome in the way she is perceived outside of her qualifications. The right wing will just imply she got where she is solely on racial and gender affirmative action and having a Jewish husband you know normal Republican stuff Nice job however, the dynamics at play in Finland pale in comparison to the issues that affect a black woman in the US. Finland is a largely heterogenous population by comparison to the US with a much more progressive political culture. It's not apples to apples in this context. However I hope your use of ditzy means that to a general segment of the voters she is ditzy which is more benign than the normal perceptions of black woman I'm the US. Hopefully Harris can do what Hilary Clinton didn't do against Trump. Namely, when he talks sht to her she puts him in his place hard to his face and with style. 2 use her youth and campaign hard and visit town after town unlike Clinton who mailed it in. 3 Not wear those ugly suits Hilary wore, man she needed a stylist. 4) Connect with the people and have a good sense of humor. She is the new candidate she has to sell herself as a woman people want to have a glass of wine with and entrust with their kids over the weekend to pull this off and make Trump out to be your crazy uncle who you want to have his car keys hidden from |
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ESOMKnicks
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8/19/2024 7:00 AM LAST EDITED: 8/19/2024 8:59 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:An observation on the term ditzy. I have never heard of a black woman referred to as ditzy. In itself that is an improvement in a sense. Black woman often face the accusation of being angry, unfeminine, combative, disagreeable. Recall recently Trump got angry, for show, at a gathering of and organization of Black journalists terms like ditzy usually are reserved for attractive woman who people try make them seem less intelligent due to their looks and often youth. The fact the term ditzy was used means that she is being afforded a grace of being considered youthful feminine, and attractive terms not often extended to black women in power. So I guess that gives Harris a few fewer obstacles to overcome in the way she is perceived outside of her qualifications. The right wing will just imply she got where she is solely on racial and gender affirmative action and having a Jewish husband you know normal Republican stuff I have added a link to Benazir Bhutto as well. She faced immensely complex issues which literally cost her her life. All I wanted was "Check out Kamala's speech / interview at [insert reference], and then ask yourself whether it was fair of you to consider her ditzy". A link would have been even nicer. Finland is a small country with a small, but highly important Swedish minority (so no, not at all heterogenous), plus a huge and dangerous neighbor that tried to overrun it in the past and by the looks of it, has not given up of trying it again in the future. Estonia is an even smaller country with a highly complex issue of dealing with a Russian minority, where resentment about the country becoming independent still resonates. So, no, not at all heterogenous either. And the same huge and dangerous neighbor. Not that it really matters to this particular debate. But since Kamala represents a progressive approach to political culture, comparisons to Marin, Kallas and Bhutto, if we are talking about female politicians, are more than apt. My problem with Hilary was that, much like Trump, she was making the presidential campaign about herself, rather than what she believed was best for the country. Plus, the history of infighting on her behalf within the Democratic party against people like Obama and Sanders, with whose views I may have often disagreed, but towards whom I have always had tremendous amounts of respect. But as a public speaker, Hillary was pretty good. |
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ESOMKnicks
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8/19/2024 8:34 AM LAST EDITED: 8/19/2024 8:36 AM
And then I see this. Where is the conviction? Where is the determination? Am I the only one reading her tone and body language as if she is feeling almost abashed about what she is saying and offering excuses for supporting Ukraine against Putin? Is this supposed to convince Putin that the US is not going to kid around with him? Or is this going to inspire American voters to feel greater support for Ukraine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81SKYhbfY1s The interview is more than a year old, I really hope she has stepped it up since then, and really hope to see some direct evidence of that. |
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Nalod
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8/19/2024 9:14 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:And then I see this. Where is the conviction? Where is the determination? Am I the only one reading her tone and body language as if she is feeling almost abashed about what she is saying and offering excuses for supporting Ukraine against Putin? Is this supposed to convince Putin that the US is not going to kid around with him? Or is this going to inspire American voters to feel greater support for Ukraine? Or you can choose to cast your vote for a man whose adulation of Putin would not stand up to him, but stand next to him. What are you looking for? Jobs? Tax credits? More bull **** from both? Inflation is done. Bottom line is they will both tell you want you want to hear. What you have to decide is how you want to digest their messages. think for yourself. |
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ESOMKnicks
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8/19/2024 9:43 AM LAST EDITED: 8/19/2024 9:52 AM
Nalod wrote:Or you can choose to cast your vote for a man whose adulation of Putin would not stand up to him, but stand next to him. Sorry, but I am getting tired of this "vote for anyone just to keep Trump out of office" narrative. Kamala is an experienced politician with her own convictions, her own qualities and her own voice. She should be recognized as existing in her own right, not just as an antithesis to Trump. Perceiving her only in relation to Trump is disrespectful to her as a politician and as a person. So, I prefer to frame it as: "Does she make me feel inspired enough to spend 4 hours on Nov 5 to get to the voting booth for her?" And to spend time to understand her character and platform prior to that. Or is there no need to bother? Nalod wrote:What are you looking for? Jobs? Tax credits? More bull **** from both? Inflation is done. These are the issues that are most important to me personally as a voter right now: 1) Determined and capable opposition to Putin and other world dictators Now, I recognize that (3) (along with sensible economic policy) is a hopeless pipe dream from the Land of Pink Ponies, so I try not to think about it anymore. On (2) Kamala has finally come around to expressing the right sentiments for political expediency, but Trump, while no friend of ongoing drug policy reforms, is not really doing much to reverse the gains achieved to date either. And on (1), it looks now that Trump could very well sell Ukraine down the river to Putin, unless the latter pisses him off personally somehow (unlikely, but possible), in which case Putin will face the most dangerous and capable enemy he's ever dealt with. Can Kamala become such an enemy regardless? I surely hope to see some evidence that she will. Nalod wrote:Bottom line is they will both tell you want you want to hear. What you have to decide is how you want to digest their messages. think for yourself. Which is why I want to hear first-hand what they are saying, and have been asking for suggestions on things to watch. P.S. I have been thinking about child care and healthcare in general quite a lot, immigration too, and have some views on those things, but this is a whole new massive volume of discussion we should probably not be getting into here. |