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1/4/2024  8:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2024  8:48 PM
Knixkik wrote:I’ve been thinking about how although Washington doesn’t have the perfect players, they might be the perfect trade partner. The Washington first is our least valuable. It has no chance to convey into a first because Washington will be bad and have no pressure to be good anytime soon. And Poole sucks and they are stuck with him, so they are sort of locked into being bad for awhile. Knicks can send Fournier and their pick back for some combination of players to help the depth. Gafford or Tyus Jones, along with either Wright, Gallinari, or Johnny Davis. Something along those lines. Again not sexy at all but useful pieces to have. Some salary to carry over into next year since I doubt we pick up Fournier’s option. This is just a way to get some of what we need without giving up anything real. The Washington pick is as fake a first as they come and everyone knows it at this point.

The Detroit and Wizards will be bad and they may not convey simply by their records. However as an other fine poster reminded me can still convey as firsts anyway due to the lottery. Teams move up in the lottery and teams fall backwards as well. The protections for the picks give the chance that a team can fall back and into our hands based on the protected order. So they really are lottery tickets. Plus if they are so bad that the pick doesn't convey the picks become second rounders at the very top of the second round. Thus pseudo firsts with better salary cap freedom for the team who owns it.So the picks aren't worthless as I thought myself. They really are lotto tickets that some team might want to bank for the future a good team might just keep those picks in the drawer and see if they hit
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1/4/2024  9:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2024  9:05 PM
If we don't make a trade better play Fornier he can shoot and do some playmaking. If nothing else he can help off the bench. Hope that scared you make a trade to bring in a playmaker like Brogdon and get a big for the bench
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1/5/2024  8:56 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:I’ve been thinking about how although Washington doesn’t have the perfect players, they might be the perfect trade partner. The Washington first is our least valuable. It has no chance to convey into a first because Washington will be bad and have no pressure to be good anytime soon. And Poole sucks and they are stuck with him, so they are sort of locked into being bad for awhile. Knicks can send Fournier and their pick back for some combination of players to help the depth. Gafford or Tyus Jones, along with either Wright, Gallinari, or Johnny Davis. Something along those lines. Again not sexy at all but useful pieces to have. Some salary to carry over into next year since I doubt we pick up Fournier’s option. This is just a way to get some of what we need without giving up anything real. The Washington pick is as fake a first as they come and everyone knows it at this point.

The Detroit and Wizards will be bad and they may not convey simply by their records. However as an other fine poster reminded me can still convey as firsts anyway due to the lottery. Teams move up in the lottery and teams fall backwards as well. The protections for the picks give the chance that a team can fall back and into our hands based on the protected order. So they really are lottery tickets. Plus if they are so bad that the pick doesn't convey the picks become second rounders at the very top of the second round. Thus pseudo firsts with better salary cap freedom for the team who owns it.So the picks aren't worthless as I thought myself. They really are lotto tickets that some team might want to bank for the future a good team might just keep those picks in the drawer and see if they hit

I have much more confidence in Detroits pick because it defers for longer and Detroit is trying to win. They will sign players. Monty Williams is not a coach who is going to keep them at the very bottom. It’s protected thru 13 in 2025 so it’s not happened. It’s protected top 11 in 2026 so it’s got a chance. But in 2027 it’s only top 9. So pick 10 on would be ours. I fully believe we could end up with a 10-13 range pick because Detroit is going to keep trying to add pieces to win.
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1/5/2024  9:27 AM
Murray would be the perfect 6th man but I have a feeling he will not like coming off the bench. I think DVo has earned that starting spot with his play and his skillset just fits perfect with the SL. Brogdan might be a more realistic option anyway. We did business with Portland last trade deadline for Hart so there is some history there between both teams.
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1/5/2024  9:28 AM
Anyone for Tyus?

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1/5/2024  11:07 AM
How about this one?

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1/5/2024  11:09 AM
martin wrote:Anyone for Tyus?

solid player but probably a rental and we'd lose Evan's contract. Too risky for what he brings.
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1/5/2024  11:11 AM
Burks LMAO
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1/5/2024  11:15 AM
nycericanguy wrote:
martin wrote:Anyone for Tyus?

solid player but probably a rental and we'd lose Evan's contract. Too risky for what he brings.

Bird Rights do matter for certain players, keep that in mind.

Obviously you never know what a player would do, but there are also ways to find out. And the Knicks seem to do that pretty well.

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1/5/2024  11:17 AM
martin wrote:
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martin wrote:Anyone for Tyus?

solid player but probably a rental and we'd lose Evan's contract. Too risky for what he brings.

Bird Rights do matter for certain players, keep that in mind.

Obviously you never know what a player would do, but there are also ways to find out. And the Knicks seem to do that pretty well.

yes but are we going to pay a backup that is older and worse than IQ $15m per year? and does he want to stay here to be a limited backup?

And even if you resign him at $15m thats not enough salary to go out for a star trade, and how much value does a 28 year old solid backup PG making $15m even have in a trade?

Just too risky, he's not a game changer that is worth all that risk.
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1/5/2024  11:17 AM
martin wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
martin wrote:Anyone for Tyus?

solid player but probably a rental and we'd lose Evan's contract. Too risky for what he brings.

Bird Rights do matter for certain players, keep that in mind.

Obviously you never know what a player would do, but there are also ways to find out. And the Knicks seem to do that pretty well.


What is the market for Jones? Mid-level? Slightly lower? Slightly higher?
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1/5/2024  11:18 AM
Now maybe there's another deal that works for Tyus.

Something like Mitch, and a 1st for Tyus and Gafford could be interesting.
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1/5/2024  11:19 AM
nycericanguy wrote:
martin wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
martin wrote:Anyone for Tyus?

solid player but probably a rental and we'd lose Evan's contract. Too risky for what he brings.

Bird Rights do matter for certain players, keep that in mind.

Obviously you never know what a player would do, but there are also ways to find out. And the Knicks seem to do that pretty well.

yes but are we going to pay a backup that is older and worse than IQ $15m per year? and does he want to stay here to be a limited backup?

And even if you resign him at $15m thats not enough salary to go out for a star trade, and how much value does a 28 year old solid backup PG making $15m even have in a trade?

Just too risky, he's not a game changer that is worth all that risk.

You are constantly only thinking in terms of one move or the next move and having it equate out or have the floor lifted. You don't always need to frame it that way.

Tyus definitely a secondary option type.

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1/5/2024  1:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2024  1:02 PM
We not loving on the recently extended Deuce anymore?
Isn't this were we root for him to succeed and earn his minutes?

I get we all miss and will miss IQ, but we a middle of the pack parity team with him and he could not take Brunsons place.
Brogden is a very good player. For now, Im cool with Deuce and Grimes getting some room to grow.
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1/5/2024  1:18 PM
Does GS need Fournier LOL

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I would investigate Davion Mitchell if he is available. He's shooting horribly now, but his minutes have taken a beating. Thibs would love him.
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1/5/2024  2:08 PM
Been wondering where that guy went to.

Is it his shooting that's holding him back? Why is he out of rotation?


BigDaddyG wrote:I would investigate Davion Mitchell if he is available. He's shooting horribly now, but his minutes have taken a beating. Thibs would love him.
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BigDaddyG wrote:I would investigate Davion Mitchell if he is available. He's shooting horribly now, but his minutes have taken a beating. Thibs would love him.

We call him "Duece" here in NYC!
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Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I would investigate Davion Mitchell if he is available. He's shooting horribly now, but his minutes have taken a beating. Thibs would love him.

We call him "Duece" here in NYC!

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