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It's great to see them shine and at the same time infuriating pondering what could have been- that endless losing stretch where Thibs just kept doing exactly the same thing with the starters, refusing to play the young guys, getting exactly the same outcome every game, will haunt us for a while

Clean wrote:OK, after watching the game I have to give Thibs props. Nearing the end of the 4th he subbed in RJ and Obi. I thought for sure Obi would come in for Sims. Instead he subbed out Taj. I know how hard of a decision that must have been for him so I have to give him props for it. As a thank you to Thibs Sims got us a huge offensive rebound that helped clinch the game at around the 1 minute mark. I also thought RJ for Grimes was the right decision.

That's the infuriating thing- last couple of games he's shown he's perfectly capable of coaching like this, but he seems to have a default setting that he always wants to revert to even if it's clearly not working

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Clean wrote:OK, after watching the game I have to give Thibs props. Nearing the end of the 4th he subbed in RJ and Obi. I thought for sure Obi would come in for Sims. Instead he subbed out Taj. I know how hard of a decision that must have been for him so I have to give him props for it. As a thank you to Thibs Sims got us a huge offensive rebound that helped clinch the game at around the 1 minute mark. I also thought RJ for Grimes was the right decision.

That's the infuriating thing- last couple of games he's shown he's perfectly capable of coaching like this, but he seems to have a default setting that he always wants to revert to even if it's clearly not working

Thibs is a good coach when the FO gives him no choice but to play certain players. When u over pay for EF and bring in Kemba….two non defensive players. I’m sure thibs was not driving that decision, but the good thing about his stubbornness is it brings stability. It’s up to the FO to give thibs the players he should play and remove the players that don’t fit his defensive culture. Offense isn’t everything and clearly without defense, we are trash. But that Kemba and EF experiment should’ve been shut down. That Burks experiment should’ve been shut down. But I understand thibs didn’t have confidence in IQ like he does now.

What i didn’t calculate is how hungry these young guys are, sitting on the bench watching the vets lose big leads every game while saving the starters by turning the game around then sit on the bench and watch the starters lose. That’s the part im not thinking about as a fan. But that hunger can be used as fuel for this end of the year run we are seeing and beginning of next season.

So as much as I killed thibs, im now giving him his flowers for how he coached lately and his substitute strategy looks better. Was Randle his problem all along? Can thibs hold Randle accountable like he does the rooks? I don’t think so. That’s why I believe Randle should be traded, even though I think he’s still the best player on the team. But at this rate, RJ and IQ are stepping up as the driving force for this team as well. Grimes is lurking and deuce / sims are solid role players.

Nice run by the yoots. Something fans been waiting for. Who knows how they would’ve played earlier. Grimes looked shaky in his first start. So did IQ and Obi. Now everybody looks better. Could also be no expectations to win right now so that’s less pressure on them. Either way I just wanted them to get PT and build up confidence. And they are doing that now. Nice run

But this was the best and most enjoyable win of the season. Mainly cause it was against that team and the kids played such a big role. Game ball goes to IQ. He was just tremendous in that 4th quarter! To bring your team down 17 on the road against that team and that defense while scoring 20 points is just huge! Good to see Grimes get the touch back too! He's been rusty since coming back from that injury but he hit big threes in the fourth! Not the best game from RJ at both ends (Butler is a tough cover) but I'm happy he again hit those 2 clutch FTs.

Liked what I saw from Deuce and Sims. Deuce gave us great defense on Lowry and playmaking (found Grimes twice for a three) in the fourth and Sims battled Bam all game. Obi picked up in the second half after an awful first half. You just cannot get beat by that dinosaur Tucker off the dribble!

What was up with Thibs in the post game? I'm confused. I was actually shocked he kept the kids late in the game. If he brought back Burks and Fournier like he normally does, you know we'd lose that game. So kudos to him for staying with what brought you back but what was up after the game? Was he defending Randle? Burks? I know I don't need to watch a game 2 or 3 times to realize Randle quits on multiple plays a game and IQ continuously outplays Burks.

8 more to go.

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Jimbo5 wrote:I hope with this game, the FO saw a reason why going forward they should now double down on the young knicks.i dont think Thibs will do the shift on his own. The FO should negotiate and lobby for the young knicks to start playing regular minutes going forward.

I'll take a step back to last summer for one minutes.

I think the Knicks organization had a very strange decision to make, one in which they did not anticipate at the begging of the season 20-21. They overachieved big time. Randle did some super human things and from top to bottom, everyone was all in, blew way past where anyone would have thought they could land and it paid off until they met Atlanta in the first round.

After going 41-31 do you scrap what is going on or give those guys another shot? They decided to go in on it, not ALL in but they made the decision and set a path for themselves. Randle was given a contract and the other guys were given 2 year deals with 3rd year team options; enough security for the players without a massive overpay but the FO also gave themselves an out too. Brought in Kemba and Fournier too. FO to Knicks: "We believe in you and we are rolling with it again."

IMHO it's an incredibly hard needle to thread when a team is in the space of both trying to win (get to playoffs) and dev on the young guys. One of those 2 has to dominate the other to some degree and you set your direction from there.

At the all-star break, the team made a different decision and pulled the plug on the direction that was set at the begging of the year. It failed and now part 2 is in place.

And to respond to you directly, the shift did happen, it happened at the all star break.

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