Welpee wrote:

technomaster wrote:I can see a base trade of Obi/a couple of 1st rounders for Sexton/Love. Love hasn't been healthy for a few years now and he ruined my fantasy team last season, but if we can install him as a 3pt shooter and limit his minutes to keep his calves/achilles in order, he could still be a valuable perimeter shooting big man, something we didn't have last season. We can also rationalize veteran/championship experience.

If we have to take on Love's contract then the package we ship to Cleveland needs to be reduced. Love would be a cap liability and is still owed $60M+. I wouldn't be mad at having to add Love to the roster BUT only if it means we get to keep or acquire more assets in the deal. Boston had to give up a mid first round pick to move Kemba.

If you take on Love’s contract say good bye to any big time free agents next 2 years. Free agent Class of 2022 is the ultimate prize and we actually have a realistic shot this time of getting someone

Salary dumping Love on us is literally Cleveland’s only incentive in trading Sexton within the conference. Otherwise there’s plenty of teams in the West that can make similar package offers

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

technomaster wrote:I can see a base trade of Obi/a couple of 1st rounders for Sexton/Love. Love hasn't been healthy for a few years now and he ruined my fantasy team last season, but if we can install him as a 3pt shooter and limit his minutes to keep his calves/achilles in order, he could still be a valuable perimeter shooting big man, something we didn't have last season. We can also rationalize veteran/championship experience.

If we have to take on Love's contract then the package we ship to Cleveland needs to be reduced. Love would be a cap liability and is still owed $60M+. I wouldn't be mad at having to add Love to the roster BUT only if it means we get to keep or acquire more assets in the deal. Boston had to give up a mid first round pick to move Kemba.

If you take on Love’s contract say good bye to any big time free agents next 2 years. Free agent Class of 2022 is the ultimate prize and we actually have a realistic shot this time of getting someone

Salary dumping Love on us is literally Cleveland’s only incentive in trading Sexton within the conference. Otherwise there’s plenty of teams in the West that can make similar package offers

How many more years are we going to bank on future free agents? I'm not saying I would advocate adding Love, just wouldn't be mad if we had to include him in the deal IF that resulted in us retaining more of our assets.

I would imagine that the Knicks are in a better position to bring in FAs starting this year than perhaps the past 5 years. The question is if bringing in Sexton & Love puts the team in a position to overtake the Nets, Bucks, Sixers, Celtics and Hawks in a playoff series. IMO it doesn't - so no need to rush and trade assets while also significantly clogging up cap space. If Sexton was a free agent, I would try to sign him, but in this case rather than trading for him at a premium, or saddling us with Love, would prefer to try and sign someone else hold my picks and continue to add players through what looks to be a very deep draft.

MS wrote:PG - Sexton
SG - Barrett
SF - Lonzo (3D with ability to create)
PF - Randle
C - Mitch

PG - Rose
SG - Quickly
SF - Draft pick
PF - Gibson

It’s an interesting team. Lonzo shoots it identical to Bullock from three and rebounds and passes better and can still handle the ball. It actually would be helpful to have four guys that can all shoot and put the ball on the floor.

You’re going all in on Sexton and Barrett improving. His contract demands are scary. But you’re going to need a lot of fire power to bring at the Nets.

Think the Heat will land Sexton and Lonzo Ball will go to the Bulls

smackeddog wrote:Hmm, seems the Cavs leaked the NY rumour to get the Heat to increase their offer, suspect he ends up going to them

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/AmNotEvan/status/1415668154882150404

Certainly possible but I think him heading to the Knicks/Heat depends on what the Cavs want… if they prefer current nba players I’d say the Heat can field the best offer. If they want picks we got the Heat beat

SupremeCommander wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Hmm, seems the Cavs leaked the NY rumour to get the Heat to increase their offer, suspect he ends up going to them

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/AmNotEvan/status/1415668154882150404

Certainly possible but I think him heading to the Knicks/Heat depends on what the Cavs want… if they prefer current nba players I'd say the Heat can field the best offer. If they want picks we got the Heat beat

Welpee wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

technomaster wrote:I can see a base trade of Obi/a couple of 1st rounders for Sexton/Love. Love hasn't been healthy for a few years now and he ruined my fantasy team last season, but if we can install him as a 3pt shooter and limit his minutes to keep his calves/achilles in order, he could still be a valuable perimeter shooting big man, something we didn't have last season. We can also rationalize veteran/championship experience.

If we have to take on Love's contract then the package we ship to Cleveland needs to be reduced. Love would be a cap liability and is still owed $60M+. I wouldn't be mad at having to add Love to the roster BUT only if it means we get to keep or acquire more assets in the deal. Boston had to give up a mid first round pick to move Kemba.

If you take on Love’s contract say good bye to any big time free agents next 2 years. Free agent Class of 2022 is the ultimate prize and we actually have a realistic shot this time of getting someone

Salary dumping Love on us is literally Cleveland’s only incentive in trading Sexton within the conference. Otherwise there’s plenty of teams in the West that can make similar package offers

How many more years are we going to bank on future free agents? I'm not saying I would advocate adding Love, just wouldn't be mad if we had to include him in the deal IF that resulted in us retaining more of our assets.

I would imagine that the Knicks are in a better position to bring in FAs starting this year than perhaps the past 5 years. The question is if bringing in Sexton & Love puts the team in a position to overtake the Nets, Bucks, Sixers, Celtics and Hawks in a playoff series. IMO it doesn't - so no need to rush and trade assets while also significantly clogging up cap space. If Sexton was a free agent, I would try to sign him, but in this case rather than trading for him at a premium, or saddling us with Love, would prefer to try and sign someone else hold my picks and continue to add players through what looks to be a very deep draft.

I disagree. No, we're not contending for a ring but I also don't think we're contending for a #4 seed again standing pat either. The Love inclusion is dependent upon being able to keep our picks (or perhaps get a pick) as compensation for taking on his contract. Every year we talk about primetime free agents and we never land one. Even after this season you don't hear much buzz about people coming here. Like I asked earlier, how much longer do we continue banking on signing big name free agents two years from now? Of the big names you think may be available, how many we just reup and stay put?

I agree,

OBI and Knox are not blue chip assets, and the draft picks we got from DALLAS made that trade even worse seeing where the picks landed.

THIBS wants to WIN NOW, and he showed that even with marginal Talent he make guys better.

Welpee wrote:How many more years are we going to bank on future free agents? I'm not saying I would advocate adding Love, just wouldn't be mad if we had to include him in the deal IF that resulted in us retaining more of our assets.

Every year, but the word should be Plan not Bank.

Every year you plan for the draft. Every year you plan to maximize your cap space. Every year you plan out when other free agents are available.

Every year you do all of it and you strike when the chips are in your favor.

Welpee wrote:

martin wrote:

Welpee wrote:How many more years are we going to bank on future free agents? I'm not saying I would advocate adding Love, just wouldn't be mad if we had to include him in the deal IF that resulted in us retaining more of our assets.

Every year, but the word should be Plan not Bank.

Every year you plan for the draft. Every year you plan to maximize your cap space. Every year you plan out when other free agents are available.

Every year you do all of it and you strike when the chips are in your favor.

What I'm referring to is "hey Ja Morant is going to be a free agent in a couple of year, lets make moves to ensure that we have cap space in 2024 so that we can make a run at him." Not sure we can keep kicking that can down the road for forever.

Quite frankly, that's just the reader taking too much into account of what the media pushes out and then swallowing it like it's meaningful.

There are going to be free agents. Some years are better than others. Some years the Knicks will have cap space and some times they won't.

This FO has prioritized cap space and contract flexibility so free agents should be in the discussion.

SupremeCommander wrote:
Certainly possible but I think him heading to the Knicks/Heat depends on what the Cavs want… if they prefer current nba players I'd say the Heat can field the best offer. If they want picks we got the Heat beat

What Cleveland wants is less important than if the Cavs have actual leverage in this situation - which they don't

The Cavs have two goals in mind

1) Trade Sexton for more than a rental price

2) Trade Sexton to a Western Conference team if possible

Sexton controls where he's willing to sign an extension, which means he controls which teams will only actually pay a rental price. Then is the rental price significantly better than what the Cavs think they can get in an offseason sign and trade ( they wouldn't get much)

Cleveland has no leverage and what little leverage they do have disappears as time moves forward with Sexton just rotting on the trade block without traction.

If Cleveland has NO LEVERAGE, then I fail to understand folks here talking about the Knicks needing to take on Kevin Love's horrible contract as part of any Sexton deal.

Why the Knicks would need to give up anything of actual value? The Cavs no leverage situation is not that much different than the Knicks no leverage situation with Zinger. The value in any trade for Sexton at this point comes down to getting his full Bird Rights.