fwk00 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I have been thinking about this for a bit now, and I think the best offseason of my lifetime was the 1996 offseason. When We signed Houston (first time), Childs, and traded for LJ. We boldly went after two young, talented guys right out of the gate. I remember being worried because, for example, we could've went after Reggie Miller or Gary Payton instead.

This offseason, I would feel a little uneasy if we went after Devontae Graham and Kelly Oubre, for example, but I really do like the idea of adding young guys with room to grow to this group and am warming to it more and more

This is where my head is as well.

I can't get excited by drafting 18 year olds who aren't iron-clad locks to be great.

The Knicks are not in that kiddie-corp stage of development anymore. Sure, draft a kid you like. But use the assets to bulk up. If the team intends to contend, bring in some young, seasoned players who will compete for starting minutes.

Ironically enough this might be the best position the franchise has been in since 1996. I am pessimistic about a lot with the Knicks but I think they will be better next year and have a plan on how to become a contender for once.

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I have been thinking about this for a bit now, and I think the best offseason of my lifetime was the 1996 offseason. When We signed Houston (first time), Childs, and traded for LJ. We boldly went after two young, talented guys right out of the gate. I remember being worried because, for example, we could've went after Reggie Miller or Gary Payton instead.

This offseason, I would feel a little uneasy if we went after Devontae Graham and Kelly Oubre, for example, but I really do like the idea of adding young guys with room to grow to this group and am warming to it more and more

This is where my head is as well.

I can't get excited by drafting 18 year olds who aren't iron-clad locks to be great.

The Knicks are not in that kiddie-corp stage of development anymore. Sure, draft a kid you like. But use the assets to bulk up. If the team intends to contend, bring in some young, seasoned players who will compete for starting minutes.

Ironically enough this might be the best position the franchise has been in since 1996. I am pessimistic about a lot with the Knicks but I think they will be better next year and have a plan on how to become a contender for once.

Oh, yes. Cap space, picks, tradeable assets is a nice hand to be playing. I just hope they don't get too cute and sentimental about this year's roster. I'm not seeing any untouchables.

fwk00 wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I have been thinking about this for a bit now, and I think the best offseason of my lifetime was the 1996 offseason. When We signed Houston (first time), Childs, and traded for LJ. We boldly went after two young, talented guys right out of the gate. I remember being worried because, for example, we could've went after Reggie Miller or Gary Payton instead.

This offseason, I would feel a little uneasy if we went after Devontae Graham and Kelly Oubre, for example, but I really do like the idea of adding young guys with room to grow to this group and am warming to it more and more

This is where my head is as well.

I can't get excited by drafting 18 year olds who aren't iron-clad locks to be great.

The Knicks are not in that kiddie-corp stage of development anymore. Sure, draft a kid you like. But use the assets to bulk up. If the team intends to contend, bring in some young, seasoned players who will compete for starting minutes.

Ironically enough this might be the best position the franchise has been in since 1996. I am pessimistic about a lot with the Knicks but I think they will be better next year and have a plan on how to become a contender for once.

Oh, yes. Cap space, picks, tradeable assets is a nice hand to be playing. I just hope they don't get too cute and sentimental about this year's roster. I'm not seeing any untouchables.

I think the FO knows that too. This has been 5 years in the making, and was a struggle but the franchise is in a good place.

It’s a great draft to be in too. Next year I think we’re a playoff team again.

I think they are willing to let most the guys go if they want to much. Next year is big game hunting and they need cap space.

djsunyc wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I have been thinking about this for a bit now, and I think the best offseason of my lifetime was the 1996 offseason. When We signed Houston (first time), Childs, and traded for LJ. We boldly went after two young, talented guys right out of the gate. I remember being worried because, for example, we could've went after Reggie Miller or Gary Payton instead.

This offseason, I would feel a little uneasy if we went after Devontae Graham and Kelly Oubre, for example, but I really do like the idea of adding young guys with room to grow to this group and am warming to it more and more

in hindsight - not getting reggie instead was an awful decision. ewing was ready to win right then and there. reggie was a playoff killer. paring them both up to try and win a chip was the right move - not half ass it a bit. they should've went all in. reggie could still go - he made the finals 4 seasons later.

in fairness, it wasn't a 'choice'. Reggie would have taken his time and likely resigned with the Pacers because the league and player movement was different back then. By then, Houston and Childs likely would've signed elsewhere. So this is a 'false dilemma'

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I have been thinking about this for a bit now, and I think the best offseason of my lifetime was the 1996 offseason. When We signed Houston (first time), Childs, and traded for LJ. We boldly went after two young, talented guys right out of the gate. I remember being worried because, for example, we could've went after Reggie Miller or Gary Payton instead.

This offseason, I would feel a little uneasy if we went after Devontae Graham and Kelly Oubre, for example, but I really do like the idea of adding young guys with room to grow to this group and am warming to it more and more

This is where my head is as well.

I can't get excited by drafting 18 year olds who aren't iron-clad locks to be great.

The Knicks are not in that kiddie-corp stage of development anymore. Sure, draft a kid you like. But use the assets to bulk up. If the team intends to contend, bring in some young, seasoned players who will compete for starting minutes.

Ironically enough this might be the best position the franchise has been in since 1996. I am pessimistic about a lot with the Knicks but I think they will be better next year and have a plan on how to become a contender for once.

From your lips to God’s ears

gradyandrew wrote:And We went to the Finals with Houston too. Barring injury, it was the right move.

Looking back on it the first Houston contract actually worked out really well for us. The second contract Layden gave him was God awful and the first of many, many crappy contracts this franchise gave out like nothing to over the hill players for 20 years

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I have been thinking about this for a bit now, and I think the best offseason of my lifetime was the 1996 offseason. When We signed Houston (first time), Childs, and traded for LJ. We boldly went after two young, talented guys right out of the gate. I remember being worried because, for example, we could've went after Reggie Miller or Gary Payton instead.

This offseason, I would feel a little uneasy if we went after Devontae Graham and Kelly Oubre, for example, but I really do like the idea of adding young guys with room to grow to this group and am warming to it more and more

in hindsight - not getting reggie instead was an awful decision. ewing was ready to win right then and there. reggie was a playoff killer. paring them both up to try and win a chip was the right move - not half ass it a bit. they should've went all in. reggie could still go - he made the finals 4 seasons later.

Reggie was never leaving Indiana to come here.

I read years ago if Allan did not sign the plane was going to Reggie and he would have signed. Sorry, I can’t reference this.
Allan was in Detroit with Grant Hill, was young 24 turning 25, and on the rise. His games missed we not as bad as perhaps we sometimes recall. On 50 game season in his prime and his last two were not good.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/houstal01.html
The opt out. It was likely a hand shake deal when he signed. Looked bad.
Reggie:
He was two time allstar by age 30. He proved remarkably durable playing to age 39. That is not the norm. THink about it at that moment. Knicks actually went for the younger player and took a risk that he would exceed Reggie with his youth, still potential and was a hell of a kid! Knicks did not miss the mark by much. Allans knees were the issue. Nobody knows Reggie still has 5 prime years still left.
Reggie was a SF were Larry Johnsome came to play. Not sure we can truly envision and recreate the chemistry with Reggie and the domino effect in hindsight.

Reggie with that perspective was the “Win now call”. Remember, this was the season AFTER Nellie was fired and Jeff became the coach. Mason was exiled with an older less aero LJ now in NYC. and this was to be the reboot with an aging Ewing.

There are a lot of “What ifs”. Perhaps Shaq for Ewing trade gives Orlando something in return. Cap rules were much different then. Maybe Shaq resigns with knicks if this happens? In hindsight Knicks should ave traded Ewing and keep Nelson and rebuild. Jimmy was very early in his tenure as owner and the golden goose was Ewing. That was the reality of the moment. Ewing was a free agent in ‘95.

Let’s not forget, Knicks in H20’s first season win 57 games. The champ for the next three years would be teh Bulls. Next team to make finals out of the east was not Riley’s Heat, it was the Knicks in ‘99!!!

I live in Indianapolis. Reggie was/is a god here. There’s no way the pacers were letting him ever leave and he actually liked being here. In fact I’m pretty sure the pacers were paying Reggie more off the books same way the Patriots did with Tom Brady

That was a crazy time. Dolan had yet to own full control of MSG assets.

fwk00 wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I have been thinking about this for a bit now, and I think the best offseason of my lifetime was the 1996 offseason. When We signed Houston (first time), Childs, and traded for LJ. We boldly went after two young, talented guys right out of the gate. I remember being worried because, for example, we could've went after Reggie Miller or Gary Payton instead.

This offseason, I would feel a little uneasy if we went after Devontae Graham and Kelly Oubre, for example, but I really do like the idea of adding young guys with room to grow to this group and am warming to it more and more

This is where my head is as well.

I can't get excited by drafting 18 year olds who aren't iron-clad locks to be great.

The Knicks are not in that kiddie-corp stage of development anymore. Sure, draft a kid you like. But use the assets to bulk up. If the team intends to contend, bring in some young, seasoned players who will compete for starting minutes.

Ironically enough this might be the best position the franchise has been in since 1996. I am pessimistic about a lot with the Knicks but I think they will be better next year and have a plan on how to become a contender for once.

Oh, yes. Cap space, picks, tradeable assets is a nice hand to be playing. I just hope they don't get too cute and sentimental about this year's roster. I'm not seeing any untouchables.

I think the FO knows that too. This has been 5 years in the making, and was a struggle but the franchise is in a good place.

It’s a great draft to be in too. Next year I think we’re a playoff team again.

I think they are willing to let most the guys go if they want to much. Next year is big game hunting and they need cap space.

Well with so many juveniles in the top 15, some older players (20 -22) will be ripe for picking downwind.

I believe that's why certain playoff teams continue to be relevant. The NBA draft lottery is filled with young potential stars. Later in the draft, where the playoff team select, you are left with proven college vets who can come in and impact right away. Great position to be in.

gradyandrew wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:The Knicks busy offseason will kick off and will be dependent on the moves made and the rookies that will be selected in the upcoming draft. Looking at the players available in free agency, ideally i think the draft can fill the whole of the team's wing/shooter needs. There are more options available in free agency and via trade to address the starting point guard problem.

It feels like the knicks have a ton of options this year to address all the team's issue. Going after cp3 or Lowrey this summer is only appealing to me if they have properly evaluated Luca and feels like the long term answer at the point guard. Give luca time to be mentored by either of the 2 Vets for 2-3 years before taking over the starting job.

If Luca is a better fit as a back up then zeroing in an a promising young point guard will be my choice. Lonzo, Graham, Nunn or trade for Bronson.

As tempting to get a superstar like Dame, i think getting him will just put the Knicks in the same level as last year with a depleted line up. Trading for Dame will require a Melo type package or more to get it done.

Good points all. The biggest question for me is how much Thibs will be pushing the front office for vet Players. Thibs has had a lot of career success featuring young and upcoming guys on a team of vets, when it was mostly younger guys, not so much. With Quickley, Knox, Obi, and Robinson already on the roster for next season and 3 picks in the draft, it seems like there is already enough youth for Thibs. Lonzo, Graham, Nunn, Brunson are good but I am not sure that they have the veteran savvy Thibs wants. I think he would be more likely to push for guys like Conley, Jackson, and Dragic.

Im sure Thibs would like a true veteran manning the point the only reason im not a fan of that approach is because its just a stop gap solution, guys like lowrey, dragic, Conley will only have around 3 prime years left on their legs and that might even be s generous estimate. By the time their games drop downhill, its only then the games of RJ, IQ, Obi will begin to enter a more veteran status in the league. After 3 years the FO will face the same PG problems again. Im hoping the FO can duplicate the Hornets approach and sign the next Terry Rozier. I think one of Lonzo, Graham or Nunn can possibly be it.