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Westbrook + two first round picks for Randle and DSJ I would have to seriously consider that

Can't stand Westbrook's D or his mentality, but sign me up for this.

Although I doubt this passes ANY kind of mirror test for Houston. Unless of course, someone sends them DSJ's 10th grade mix tape...

There is ZERO way Houston makes that trade. Lol

Exactly, but it would be a great turn of events if we could somehow land Westbrook AND CP3. Lol. Now there's a short-term, starphucque deluxe backcourt!
Why settle for only one undesirable contract, when you could get TWO UNDESIRABLE CONTRACTS!!!

Then we'd also have the guy they traded to get WB!!!

And of course Melo is always linked with CP3 because they said it so 10 years ago! It also brings “Jake, From State Farm””
“We need shooters” fans will cry! WE can make that looong rumored trade for Luke Kennard and perhaps if we throw in DSJ they will give us Griffith. We must give them Randle though!!!

CP3
Westbrook
Griffith
Mitch
Frank

Bench?

Melo
Knox
ObiHaliHayes
Dotson

why frank? To piss off 1248 of course.
Melo off the bench? Makes Jrod both a happy and pissed off at the same time. Happy he is a knick, mad cuz he off the bench. Melo and CP3 doing State Farm commercials. Its gonna be great!!

The only thing that pisses me off is losing, if we are winning, who the fck cares who's on the roster, I care about results.

I don't care if the entire roster is gone, or if they stay, I care about results.

Would you trade in one winning year we finish 4th seed, then lose in the 2nd round if you knew the next 6 years would not succeed?

Oh look. Where is that one familiar?

Phil jackson decided to blow it up because he didn't have triangle players.

Who the hell would trade expiring contacts of valuable role players for 2nd round picks and lance thomas.

And Melo started becoming injury prone and JR Smith started being an idiot. The Knicks could not wait to get rid of Shumpert and Smith.

And 5 players retired...KMart, Kidd, Kurt, Rasheed and was it camby? Yeah, Phil blew up a good thing. Get real.

Phil got a ton of flak for trying to do an actual rebuild. He got the Celtics to offer Jaylon Brown and multiple first round picks for Porzingis and people were screaming about how stupid he was

Not all people I wanted to do it

So did I. I remember hearing the idiot talking head shows on ESPN roast Phil for simply listening to trade offers. He was about to pull off a heist on the Celtics but Dolan stopped him

And this is the frustrating part -- Phil had a good opportunity and yet was lambasted for even considering it. You need to have really thick skin to not cave in to the mob. As discussed elsewhere we are at a crossroads where we can build from a firm foundation or trade our future for a Westbrook, a Harden, even a CP3. To appease the mob so they can continue to rip and clown when it fails again.

Slow down a bit. The conversation surrounding acquiring any of these and other players is qualified by the following considerations:

Its going to be a shortened season.

There aren't that many obvious ways to invest cap space in the next two years that are better (at the moment) options.

A winning veteran player, in a shortened season, are less likely to get hurt AND may add enough game stability to actually qualify for post-season play.

Thibs will want to have a roster that *can* win games.

Mobs form when:

We acquire any asset that is risky (such as those we're talking about) AND we give up way too many assets to justify that risk.

The player(s) arrive and decide to float downstream.

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I think what some of us are advocating quite independent of each other is that (for the first time in a long time) we leverage our unique cap space position to, in fact, take a risk with the EXPLICIT qualification that we are compensated for taking the risk.

I think a consensus fear is that the Knicks (and there's a sad history) will assume a risky transaction, pay double for it, and, upon arrival, find out that its damaged or compromised goods. We're all too familiar with the Trifecta.

That said, fingers crossed, it is time to assume some risk.

Not exactly sure in what regard I need to "Slow down." In fact I'm advocating a steady course in the face of those who are inclined to go off the handle. And I stick with my use of "mob," not sure I understand yours. Anyway, we disagree, and that's what we do here.

The East is terrible, losing in the first round isn’t worth his contract. The cap could also shrink with revenue losses. An aging point guard without a jumper making $45MM?!

Let’s grab Halliburton, begin a real culture shift, let Frank, DSJR, Knox get time. It’s a short season, maybe someone turns the corner. If they don’t, we have another pick to go with RJ, Mitch and this years selection.

Maybe we flip some talent for KAT or Booker, which could entice a free agent to sign.

We can’t do what we have always done. It’s the height of idiocy. The players were there Mitchell, SGA, Porter, BAM, Hero etc. We just need to nail our pick.

Had we wanted Paul last season was the time to make that move when picks were coming with him. No more panic stupidity.

MS wrote:Who wants to play with Westbrook? Honestly. That’s the only question you should be asking.

The East is terrible, losing in the first round isn’t worth his contract. The cap could also shrink with revenue losses. An aging point guard without a jumper making $45MM?!

Let’s grab Halliburton, begin a real culture shift, let Frank, DSJR, Knox get time. It’s a short season, maybe someone turns the corner. If they don’t, we have another pick to go with RJ, Mitch and this years selection.

Maybe we flip some talent for KAT or Booker, which could entice a free agent to sign.

We can’t do what we have always done. It’s the height of idiocy. The players were there Mitchell, SGA, Porter, BAM, Hero etc. We just need to nail our pick.

Had we wanted Paul last season was the time to make that move when picks were coming with him. No more panic stupidity.

Losing in the first round is a better option than tanking..You sound like it's championship or #1 lottery pick, no in between?

I really don't care for WB, but the notion of losing in the 1st round is a bad thing makes absolutely no damn sense, you have to crawl before you walk.

Veterans win, young players just play and learn until there veterans

If a Westbrook trade to the knicks will be more of a salary dump that features a protected 1st round pick going to the knicks with Westbrook for all the players with just team options. Is something can get on board with.

I know Westbrook hasn't been a sure thing when it comes to a player that helps the team win but maybe being under a coach that brings out the best in his point guards might just be a good fit.

smackeddog wrote:I'll be so deflated if we pul this s***, it's been nice not having "one of the worst contracts in the nba" for a while, can't believe we'd consider going back to our old bad ways.

I'd think about if it was a salary dump as long as we get back decent assets. But what assets does Houston have left? Also, the cap hit would wreck the team for years. Could Rose fight the temptation to maximize Russ's remaining years by trading picks and young players?

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smackeddog wrote:I'll be so deflated if we pul this s***, it's been nice not having "one of the worst contracts in the nba" for a while, can't believe we'd consider going back to our old bad ways.

I'd think about if it was a salary dump as long as we get back decent assets. But what assets does Houston have left? Also, the cap hit would wreck the team for years. Could Rose fight the temptation to maximize Russ's remaining years by trading picks and young players?

Houston is not GIVING up additional assents for Westbrook, they just aren't, no matter his contract.

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martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'll be so deflated if we pul this s***, it's been nice not having "one of the worst contracts in the nba" for a while, can't believe we'd consider going back to our old bad ways.

I'd think about if it was a salary dump as long as we get back decent assets. But what assets does Houston have left? Also, the cap hit would wreck the team for years. Could Rose fight the temptation to maximize Russ's remaining years by trading picks and young players?

Houston is not GIVING up additional assents for Westbrook, they just aren't, no matter his contract.

I don't think so either. I'm not sure they even have them to give, but I'm not really sure how "leveraged" Fertita is. Also, what could the Clips give outside of pandemic P to make a deal work? A deal like this would require too many teams and pieces to make sense. I doubt he Rus even gets moved before the season. Anyway, we need deals that give us more picks.

Well I came up with something that might or might not make sense but here goes.

Westbrook to Clippers.

House to NY.

Randle, Gibson, Payton, Smith and Knox to Houston

Clips S&T Morris, Harrell, Jackson To NY

Beverly to NY

Just throwing it out there to kick around.

Depends on how much we're signing Harrell and Jackson for. Those might become a hard contracts to flip at deadline. I think Beverly would be doable at the deadline. I'd be OK with something like this, depending on how the salaries worked out. I'm don't have a feel for Houston's level of desperation.

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This is my nightmare, unravelling slowly before my eyes!

I’m really don’t want to spend brain power thinking we dump our our yoot for a 32 year old declining asset. Thing is he really want to come here an be the epicenter of a rebuild now retarded because we gave rockets a nice haul?
I always worry Dolan’s directive is to start with a name then keep moving. This is what he did with Amare and Melo, and to Phill given Melo. 2.0 as a mandate. If this is how it played out.
He could have given Rose a directive conditional to his hiring.
I’d reserve my final opinion once the picture is painted.
Would I give up no. 8, Dallas protected in three years, the obligatory Dennis and some expiring salary Fodder for him?
I would hope there would be more pieces of this puzzle. That alone does not float my boat.

Portis, ellington, Payton and the 27th pick.

The owner is cheap and will want players that have no contract obligations at all.

He gets below the cap, they get expiring contracts that don't need to be guaranteed, maybe they keep Portis and get a cheap prospect with the 27th pick.

With this trade, we still have Randle whom I hope to flip for a shooter--starting material