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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30190 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. There are people literally dying in the streets Briggs. You could make a case that we won't reach the point of a Holocaust or Slavery because people will fight and protest and riot and loot before that could ever even be imagined happening again. It was war that ended Slavery here in America and every single piece of progress that we have achieved here branding America the way it has been branded has been due to the effects of protest, riots, looting and war. Sure I wish that we reached a point in society that we moved past these things but clearly we haven't. People are fed up from everything between racism, wage gap, wage stagnation in comparison to cost of living etc etc... If you haven't seen it yet, which i'm pretty sure you haven't. Watch the documentary on Kalief Browder on Netlix. In 2010 a 16 yr old kid who was accused of and arrested for stealing a backpack he never stole. He spent 3 years in prison without ever getting a trial before killing himself. Was in solitary confinement for 2 yrs. How would you say his American experience was? But hey, at least it wasn't the Holocaust or Slavery. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. This is a good progressive nation newyork. Go take this arguement up in China. We have come a long way in a short period. No people are not dying in the streets ny— that’s sensationalism. This is a great great country— you are free to become all u can be. Dam we’re sitting here talking about the Knicks while people in India have no toilets. Be great full we live here! Take advantage of it! RIP Crushalot😞
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Nalod
Posts: 71539 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. Not its not Nazi Germany. Many things still have to happen. This is Trumps America. If you could not see his bull**** then I hope you can see it now. You argued things 4 years ago that basically were in agreement with “Why not give trump a chance, what do black Americans have to lose?” Anti Semitism and racism is more permissible in this administration. Racism and Anti Semitisim is not Trumps fault but he sure as hell inflamed it. You talk freedom of speech but Trump berates the press every day. If your looking for a savior, look in the mirror. Not Mark Cuban. Take your head out of your ass and look around. ITs going up in flames. Soon you get to point of no return. |
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smackeddog
Posts: 38391 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
TripleThreat wrote:smackeddog wrote:I’m genuinely not interested And don’t care- these people should just stop complaining about their jobs or livelihoods You're being such a disingenuous poster on this subject (as indicated by your deliberate editing out of the rest of my post). You just have a hostility against BLM, and are pretending to either yourself or other people, it's out of concern for business. Yet you also were against players peacefully protesting on the court in Orlando. You'd endlessly pivot against it no matter what the form of protest. So how exactly do you think people should be 'allowed' to racist police murders? Why do you have more empathy for stores and windows than you do for actual people being killed? |
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 27649 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
https://www.upworthy.com/amp/penzeys-spices-looting-its-own-store-for-racial-justice
Honestly, people are focusing on the micro-issues instead of the macro-issues. Penzey’s owner’s response in Kenosha is a counter-point to the looting as well. He is donating the contents of his store to charity to contest the point that he’d care more about looting than social justice if he was looted. Stop distracting the issue with individual behavior. It is distracting, for sure. But I believe that emotionally intelligent people can see past the ugly portions of this to see what it really is. It’s all outrage against the systemic issue. And the outrage is warranted regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the way that outrage is exhibited. They say don’t kneel. Don’t wear shirts. Don’t boycott. Don’t protest peacibly. Don’t riot. Don’t loot. At some point you have to ask yourself what method of demonstrating this outrage is acceptable to you? My answer to you is - I don’t really give a f—— what you want people to do. Or what is economically sensible. All I want is for people like you to decide that it is time to listen and understand the issues. So far, these emotional barriers to admitting racism exists makes you blind to all forms of protest and demonstration. Shooting is worse than looting. Kneeling during the anthem is better than kneeling on someone’s neck. How are people still blind to this? When you stop arguing against, it is cathartic. You can take a step back and think - holy crap, how did I miss that entire systemic racism thing.... You know I gonna spin wit it
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30190 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. And what has formed America into a "good progressive nation" has been war, protest, riots & looting creating pressure for progressive legislation. Aubrey, Floyd, & Blake all died in the street. So not sure what you are alluding to when you say "No people are dying in the streets". Not to mention https://insp.ngo/there-are-literally-thousands-of-people-dying-homeless-on-the-streets-of-america/ Yes Briggs compared to other nations we are privileged. Privileged due to the 400 yrs of free labor on the backs of black slaves that died before us to make the country extremely wealthy. When your ancestors escaped their hell which gave you the opportunity to have a new life and the success you have had here. They came to the utopia in comparison forged off the backs of slaves and the oppressed. Which POC would also go out and fight in wars to protect these freedoms, opportunities, and privileges that you and your family who fled here were able to participate in growing up. While being treated like 2nd class citizens when they got back home. Having prosperous flourishing communities burned to the ground. Being redlined and prevented access to funds to build up communities and create long term wealth that their future generations could enjoy. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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Uptown
Posts: 31348 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. Great post!! |
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smackeddog
Posts: 38391 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. I honestly really struggle to understand why some people think America is a great and good nation when you read it's history at home and abroad (I'm not attacking them, I'm being genuine, I genuinely don't understand where they're coming from) |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. I’m sorry newyork -/ what country do you want the US to be? China? India? Cuba? Spain? In the Us a black persons can become President— the ultimate position of power in the WORLD. You can work hard in school and become anything u want to be. Yiu can work in a trade and make a great living for you and your family. Yiu can live in any state any city go to school for free and have access to a quality education. Yiu can vacation anywhere freely. Yiu can speak your voice freely. You should move your arse out to China and make the same complaints! Right. Here you can have a voice— if you said this in China. They’d come look for u! You’re not realizing what u have cuz you’re busy whining about what’s not perfect — guess what. Life Will never be perfect but it WILL and HAS progressively improved. Stop crying newyork— if you feel that bad go offer your services in a minority community. I offer help to churches each year despite being Jewish. Help your community— all I see with these protests are criminalistics people trying to break things down. Like I said people in India don’t have acces to toilets. There’s a tremendous amount of inequality throughout the world — we have it good here— you’re just blinded You are trying to tell me what’s wrong with the US but you’re forgetting a big issue— what’s right with the US. You’re over dramatizing the current situation and the way you come across no one is gonna listen— we don’t live in a **** bowl country like u r intimating. You’re going overboard. RIP Crushalot😞
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. If the us sucks so bad I’m sure you are free to move to a country that makes u happy. RIP Crushalot😞
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 40016 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. Briggs, we don't live in sh!t bowl country, but there are people here that are living in the conditions you just described in other countries. Yes, there are owners like Dan Snyder who are worse than James Dolan. Does that mean we ignore Dolan's mistakes and don't try to push for improvement? Or maybe we should say eff it and find another team to root for? Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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smackeddog
Posts: 38391 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
BRIGGS wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. Ah, so its a country where you just have to praise it all the time because insecure people can't handle you criticizing anything about it, while pretending one of the things you love about it is freedom of speech and it's tolerance - got it! Let's expand that logic to everything: you criticize the Knicks? why don't you go be a fan of a different team! Brilliant logic- wouldn't this board be fun! |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. The United States is a good country. I never said it was without issue— in fact I did. We live in an imperfect world inequality is abound. The Us for the most part is a much better country than most. If someone hates it that much— why would they stay? RIP Crushalot😞
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smackeddog
Posts: 38391 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
BRIGGS wrote:smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The point I was trying to make yesterday is that our country is a good country. Hate it so much? I said I didn't get why people think it's so great and good when you take into account it's history at home and abroad. I'm indifferent, I like the people I connect with, a lot of people I've met, I think the politics largely suck and it has a bad historical record with some good in it. Foreign policy has done a lot of bad (mainly due to corrupt and amoral politicians and state officials in secret). But then most other countries do likewise. Politics tends to attract psychopaths, corrupt people and liars with little empathy for others. This isn't a particularly controversial take, and I have no idea why you take it so personally. It's like you criticizing the last 20 years of the Knicks management and me responding with "why don't you go root for another team?", it's an odd response. |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
LeBron James what a f hypocrite
He talks about oppression while he is financed by Chinese slave labor. He sits in a 50 mm dollar house telling us what’s wrong while people who earn .14 an hour put his sneakers together all day every day. When the Gm of Houston said something negative about China that was true. LeBron didn’t back him. In fact he went the other way and criticized Morey only because it would effect his pocket book F u LeBron quit all u want.Watch what happens to fans RIP Crushalot😞
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 40016 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
BRIGGS wrote:LeBron James what a f hypocrite LeBron is a hypocrite, I agree. Just like you, he refused to acknowledge and see an issue that didn't affect him directly. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:LeBron James what a f hypocrite Big— Actually I’m hardcore against “Made in China”. I’m all for “Made in the USA” and I’m all in on rising American wages and higher minimum wages. I’m for anyone in the US to live a decent life and for those who are sick and can’t — I’m for taking care of that population the right way. Nope big—I’m totally against oppression. LeBron is a hypocrite of worst kind RIP Crushalot😞
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jskinny35
Posts: 21594 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/27/2005 Member: #928 USA |
Like most things in the world (eg opinions) - it's not often black or white in terms of thinking. The US has achieved many great things that other countries have not. The US has also done an incredible amount of shady/corrupt things, often during the process of achieving these great things we applaud. The US is not the only country that has done shady things, but they seem to stand alone with this entitled and oblivious acknowledgement of their history and role in both achievements and corrupt actions.
If you have a problem seeing this viewpoint, it sounds a lot like Trump and his supporters doesn't it? "He's achieved so much and is wealthy - it doesn't matter so much if he stepped on the little people or committed financial crimes because you have to do these things to become wealthy and successful like him..." I think it really does matter. America really is like Trump and that's why our country is probably so divided! Can we acknowledge our injustices while we also pat ourselves on the back for accomplishing so much? Guess it depends if can be real about "how" we accomplished these things? When we can't be real and honest with ourselves - only option left is to justify or rationalize our actions/behaviors. The capacity to see things from a different viewpoint is essential to growth. Making mistakes and learning from them makes growth possible - we just can't seem to own ours so we can recognize the errors that need to be corrected. The ability to see the world as slightly grey instead of black or white is also pretty important to enacting change. |
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blkexec
Posts: 28368 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
EwingsGlass wrote:https://www.upworthy.com/amp/penzeys-spices-looting-its-own-store-for-racial-justice +1 Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
The future is bright, I'm a Knicks fan for life!
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