ESOMKnicks wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:both techs were BS

for the record both Jackson and JVG said Mavs "robbed" the Knicks on that trade -- Jackson's words; JVG said it was one of Donnie Nelson's best trades ever and he has had tons (words to that effect) and probably with reference to Luka. I doubt Donnie ws in the fold when Mavs traded for Dirk's draft rights, but they've had a few

Yeah. That stung when JVG and Mark said that. I could feel Breens pain. However, that fooker didn't want to be here. So good riddance.

They are just bitter they are not coaching in the NBA any more, and taunting the Knicks' fans to cover up for their own feelings of inferiority.

Before Van Goofy judges the refs again for Teeing up a player, he should remind himself how he used to hang by Alonzo Mourning's shorts.

Fact of the matter is that the KP trade was a bad trade and set us back years. Many saw it as yet another mismanaged situation and another panic move by an inept franchise.

Find it interesting that Knick fans, who have seen this movie so many times before, are the first to defend every bad move made by the franchise. Yet easily admit how bad the organization has been, if asked.
Think the narrative regarding the disappointment with the trade, for me, has always been on how the Knicks managed to screw up a relationship with our only good draft pick in 20 plus years. Which btw takes more than ONE disagreement with a players brother or an injury. It takes a couple of years of seeing and dealing with what the Knicks front office truly represents. Some fans can make it about KP, his brother, the injury but we all really know and probably expected nothing else from Dolan and his flunkies once KP showed the potential to be a star.

But I get it, Knick fans would rather put a wall of denial around themselves to cope. And anyone that dares to escape or complains about us will quickly be deemed an enemy. Hey I am right there with you guys. I mean, what else are we to do? Admit that this team/organization is a joke, we just lost a player that would have possibly been an integral part of a championship team or that we are once again in the early years of an uncertain rebuild? Nah!

HofstraBBall wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:both techs were BS

for the record both Jackson and JVG said Mavs "robbed" the Knicks on that trade -- Jackson's words; JVG said it was one of Donnie Nelson's best trades ever and he has had tons (words to that effect) and probably with reference to Luka. I doubt Donnie ws in the fold when Mavs traded for Dirk's draft rights, but they've had a few

Yeah. That stung when JVG and Mark said that. I could feel Breens pain. However, that fooker didn't want to be here. So good riddance.

They are just bitter they are not coaching in the NBA any more, and taunting the Knicks' fans to cover up for their own feelings of inferiority.

Before Van Goofy judges the refs again for Teeing up a player, he should remind himself how he used to hang by Alonzo Mourning's shorts.

Fact of the matter is that the KP trade was a bad trade and set us back years. Many saw it as yet another mismanaged situation and another panic move by an inept franchise.

Find it interesting that Knick fans, who have seen this movie so many times before, are the first to defend every bad move made by the franchise. Yet easily admit how bad the organization has been, if asked.
Think the narrative regarding the disappointment with the trade, for me, has always been on how the Knicks managed to screw up a relationship with our only good draft pick in 20 plus years. Which btw took more than ONE disagreement with a players brother or an injury. It's tool a couple of years of seeing and dealing what the Knicks front office truly represents. Some fans can make it about KP, his brother, the injury but we all really know and probably expected nothing else from Dolan and his flunkies once KP showed the potential to be a star.

But I get it, Knick fans would rather put a wall of denial around themselves to cope. And anyone that dares to escape or complains about us will quickly be deemed an enemy. Hey I am right there with you guys. I mean, what else are we to do? Admit that this team/organization is a joke, we just lost a player that would have possibly been an integral part of a championship team or that we are once again in the early years of an uncertain rebuild? Nah!

It will be Mills and/or Perry's epitaph: "I traded KP"

houston20 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:both techs were BS

for the record both Jackson and JVG said Mavs "robbed" the Knicks on that trade -- Jackson's words; JVG said it was one of Donnie Nelson's best trades ever and he has had tons (words to that effect) and probably with reference to Luka. I doubt Donnie ws in the fold when Mavs traded for Dirk's draft rights, but they've had a few

Yeah. That stung when JVG and Mark said that. I could feel Breens pain. However, that fooker didn't want to be here. So good riddance.

They are just bitter they are not coaching in the NBA any more, and taunting the Knicks' fans to cover up for their own feelings of inferiority.

Before Van Goofy judges the refs again for Teeing up a player, he should remind himself how he used to hang by Alonzo Mourning's shorts.

Fact of the matter is that the KP trade was a bad trade and set us back years. Many saw it as yet another mismanaged situation and another panic move by an inept franchise.

Find it interesting that Knick fans, who have seen this movie so many times before, are the first to defend every bad move made by the franchise. Yet easily admit how bad the organization has been, if asked.
Think the narrative regarding the disappointment with the trade, for me, has always been on how the Knicks managed to screw up a relationship with our only good draft pick in 20 plus years. Which btw took more than ONE disagreement with a players brother or an injury. It's tool a couple of years of seeing and dealing what the Knicks front office truly represents. Some fans can make it about KP, his brother, the injury but we all really know and probably expected nothing else from Dolan and his flunkies once KP showed the potential to be a star.

But I get it, Knick fans would rather put a wall of denial around themselves to cope. And anyone that dares to escape or complains about us will quickly be deemed an enemy. Hey I am right there with you guys. I mean, what else are we to do? Admit that this team/organization is a joke, we just lost a player that would have possibly been an integral part of a championship team or that we are once again in the early years of an uncertain rebuild? Nah!

The only thing kp is right about and i agree on this that tanking doesn't solve anything everything else i don't agree with him. It amazes on tv today if he was in knick jersey and got ejected last night the media would say it kp fault for getting ejected but its opposite today with all these espn and media people. The problem with kp he didn't make the playoffs with the knicks and wasn't even close never wanted to be number 1 guy like last night game he is number 2 to donic and he is cool with that role. If kp was such franchise player he would have taken the knicks to the playoffs at least once.

I don't know if I would have expected a 20 year old, in his first or second year, to take us to the playoffs. Specially with the roster we had. In terms of comparison, Giannis took the Bucks to the playoffs in his 4th year.
An obvious franchise player. Yet to be seen if KP will be one. But easy to say he started to show he would be one in his first 2 and a half years here.

Do agree that getting kicked out of his first playoff game due to stupid techs is all on KP. No matter how weak the T's were. Believe Van Gundy was just talking from the prospective of how the refs should not be able to change the outcome of a game by kicking someone out on such minor infractions.

HofstraBBall wrote:For what its worth, the Mavs were outscored 52-39 once KP was ejected.

The Knicks need that MVP level player first
Mavs already have that

Trading him made sense but I liked the way Phil Jackson was doing it.
The way Perry and Mills did it. Knicks got fleeced.

He’s an all star. 23 years old. Unique talent. Elite talent. You can’t trade that for two low picks.

There was no rush. You could have done it in the offseason. The same way you could have waited to buy out Noah. Because if you can’t get the free agents everything is moot. Noah should have just expired, but Knicks stupidity now counts against there cap at $6MM for 2 more years.

Phil getting two lottery picks for KP made sense, not these *******s trading when half the league had no idea he was available.

Burke, THJR and KP all looked good last night, there is always someone willing to take a chance on a player in this league. Remember when Zach Randolph was unmovable? We got a second rounder then he made two all star teams. We couldn’t move Crawford then he won the 6th man of the year three times.

NYK is a trash organization. Has been for decades. We devalue all our assets, usually publically.

Phil did it with Chandler, Melo, Smith, Shumpert. Then KP. We always get 10 cents on the dollar. Never execute a competent trade.

There is a reason we hire an image consultant and then that guy goes on TV and ****s up the situation even more, it’s what we do here.

KP may not be a superstar, but we were in most games with him when he was healthy. He needed a closer. Guys like Jimmy Butler are out there all the time. Doncic is an all time great already, but KP can get you 30 in his sleep when you need him.

Everything is salvageable. We hired half of Marburys family, gave JR Smiths brother a contract, hired Fizdale because he was an assistant coach that Lebron liked, so KPs brother wants to be important? Play the game. All the fans are quick to say **** him, but **** us. Everyone enjoying DSJR? Julius Randle? Bobby Portis? No playoffs again next season. We are out here hoping RJ gets a jump shot, Knox remembers how to run, Frank remembers that there is a basket in front of him.

You don’t give up on hard workers and you don’t give up on talent

Nalod wrote:My my, how soon we forget. The morning after like a slut told to clean up and no breakfast.
Phil wanted to trade a healthy KP to a team that could control his contract all the way thru.
18 months later KP, already out a year with his ACL comes to the Gardena week before the deadline and announces he is going home and wont resign with knicks. In fact, he had a list of teams he would resign with. DO you think a team not on that list will pay for the kid and then have him walk?
Do you think all the teams on the list wanted him? The damaged diva? No. If so, it would be cheap.
KP was not a willing partner either.
The teams that would be interested would have leverage. Mav’s had already been making an inquiry and while not on the list had confidence as they had a great player in Luca. He is now a top 5 player.

does this absolve the knicks from a regrettable situation? Of course not. But at least if you going go off have your facts straight. Facts are you don’t know if there was a better deal. You only can measure because KP is on TV after 4 month layoff looking fresh. Not seen is 82 game season which is a grind and then a playoff.
Knicks look bad this week. Knicks had moved Hornacek, and he never played for Fiz. Still he wanted out. I don’t care about the off court stuff. On the court he was a max kid who wanted his money and did not want to step on the court. Knicks also did not demand it. They simply said wait until summer and we have 10mm more cap to build with. KP could sign the qualifying offer and then leave unrestricted. Was that plausible?
What did we have to trade to get the 2nd pick where Sac should have taken him? Did a team even want to trade the pick or we just assume it?
Does it suck? Yes. Am I defending the outcome? Hell no. But I’m not blasting them on hindsight. DSjr has been awful. It hurts.

As I posted earlier, the KP outcome has more to do about what Knick fans already know. This organization is a joke. Has been for over 20 years. Don't think is about what could have been done once the relationship was ruined. That's hind site 101. As stated, relationships don't get ****ed up because of just one altercation, brother, injury. It takes many **** ups/****ty management and the Dolan is the the king. KP represents yet another of the many reminders.

Feel there are two options in Knick fandom. Be happy by wallowing in denial and continue to make excuses and blame everyone else (players, players brothers, coaches, FA signings etc). (The hater) Or be the miserable loyal Knick fan and come to grips that until Dolan is gone, we will have to put up with the many more KP like stories that they will continue to **** up. (The Grump)