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1/5/2021  10:48 PM
I wasn't sold on Thibs at first. This coaching staff has me won over though.
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1/6/2021  12:46 PM
Love the steal Rivers had vs. Trae. Stepped between the screen while Trae was doing his thing and just took it away from him.
That was good coaching and execution.

Thibs needs his vets to keep the kids in line. Perhaps in MInny KAT/Wiggins were not buying into this autocratic coach and Butler could not break them. SO he left.
Thibs also needs to make sure he does not burn himself and the team to much with his cult of personality. He is manic worker.

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1/6/2021  12:49 PM
Any coach that roams the sideline like Thibs, argues with the refs, stands behind his players, once in a while gets a tech,shows emotion, is a coach ill do anything in the trenchs for that guy. Do you remember that dumb look fiz used to give the refs?? It was comical.
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1/6/2021  1:21 PM
martin wrote:
and what way is that?

Its funny because the biggest knock on the Thibs hire was our roster was not good for a "win now" coach, when in reality its a perfect roster. I thought RJ was a great fit in the Jimmy Butler/Deng type of swiss army wing. As for the other guys its wait and see but we already know Randle has earned his trust and he's got a straight up infatuation with IQ and Mitch. He made Mitch earn his spot over Noel the strides Mitch has taken early on are as big a reason for the success as anything.

How to win a locker room 101:
1) establish you play my way or you dont play
2) players come out playing your way
3) you win lots more games than the last guy
4) players get better and improve

What I really like is the FO and coaching were all clearly on the same page when they brought these guys in. Likely why Thibs didnt need Rivers to earn it in practice. He was there when they signed him, they talked BB and coach knew what to expect when he played Rivers and Rivers knew what coach wanted.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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1/6/2021  4:07 PM
martin wrote:

Here's the whole quote and its an absolute gem:

“Thibs has a respect factor,’’ Rivers said. “Some of the stuff he says – there’s no negotiation. It’s Thibs’ way or the highway. If you’re going to play, you’re going to play his way. His way just means hard. He’s not forcing us to not take shots or you can’t do this. Thibs is just about effort and knowing your role. So every day you do that, you end up buying into a team concept. Then it becomes fun when you see a little bit of success. Ok, this works.”

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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1/8/2021  2:20 AM
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1/8/2021  11:44 AM
GREAT video, thanks for sharing

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1/8/2021  12:01 PM
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1/8/2021  12:08 PM
martin wrote:GREAT video, thanks for sharing

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I tell you what, the coaching staff deserves all the credit for the changes with Mitch. It's noticeable and the later half of the video shows it well.

There is a HUGE difference just from Preseason to game #8 for Mitch and the way he plays.

It's a damn shame he doesn't yet have an offseason regiment

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1/8/2021  12:14 PM
I was skeptical of Thibs more so due to his age given the roster we had and estimated yrs away from competing. But dude looks like he’s 40. He has been such a good hire!

Mitch played 42mins the other day and had 2 fouls. He’s getting him right!

2 first round draft picks coming up, cap flexibility, Thibs having us look respectable. We’re in for a long over due ride. Maybe we don’t land a superstar, but maybe we could just be a deep team like the Pacers seem to always be and just compete.

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1/8/2021  12:19 PM
martin wrote:
martin wrote:GREAT video, thanks for sharing

BigDaddyG wrote:

I tell you what, the coaching staff deserves all the credit for the changes with Mitch. It's noticeable and the later half of the video shows it well.

There is a HUGE difference just from Preseason to game #8 for Mitch and the way he plays.

It's a damn shame he doesn't yet have an offseason regiment

Yep, I thought the video didn't go into enough detail on the improvements Mitch has made in a seemingly short period of time. We were talking about starting Noel a few weeks ago!

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1/8/2021  12:54 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:I was skeptical of Thibs more so due to his age given the roster we had and estimated yrs away from competing. But dude looks like he’s 40. He has been such a good hire!

Mitch played 42mins the other day and had 2 fouls. He’s getting him right!

2 first round draft picks coming up, cap flexibility, Thibs having us look respectable. We’re in for a long over due ride. Maybe we don’t land a superstar, but maybe we could just be a deep team like the Pacers seem to always be and just compete.

Don't ever underestimate a dream job mixed with pure passion and high level skill, it's a positively toxic mix and the Knicks should be thankful.

Thibs should thank Leon & company for forcing him to add all of the assistant coaches that they have instead of just bringing back his old crew (if that was the case)

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1/8/2021  12:55 PM
Thibs is very detailed oriented. How many time did we see the opposition drive and kick, and the second swing pass, Knick players stand still, confused and pointing at each other because they weren't sure who's responsibility it was to contest the shot? Thibs has taught them how to X-cut so that each player understands their responsibility.

It was evident from the first game that Thibs was defending inside-out...protect the paint first. We are doing a good job of scrambling and recovering to the 3 point shooters but we do give up quite a few open looks. 29% is the number the opposition is shooting from 3. I do expect those numbers to go up, just a bit.

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3/1/2021  2:05 PM
Halfway ish is always a good time to look at how things are shaping

Nothing antiquated about him or his system
Plays young guys
Plays rookies
Is a player developer
Is coaching guys up
Fits style of play to roster
Gets the most of a roster
Knows every guy and the best buttons to press
Manages people well
Plays his favorite guys too many minutes

Wayne Ellington wrote:"It starts with the work," said Pistons guard Wayne Ellington, who was with the Knicks last season when they went 21-45. "Those guys, I was in New York last year, and I was talking to Julius before the game, and he was like, ‘Man, it’s completely different.’ it’s night and day. Just our approach, our mindset coming in, how Thibs has those guys working and how he has them competing on the floor. It’s a process. They have a lot of the same guys that they did have last year. Those young guys have taken a step forward and they’re learning how to play and how to win. And it’s showing."

am I missing anything?

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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3/1/2021  2:27 PM
Crazy, if anyone had said we'd be over the .500 mark this far into the season, at the 4th playoff spot in the east and Randle would be an Allstar and we'd all be praising him, they would have been laughed off the board!
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3/1/2021  2:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2021  2:45 PM
Hands down COY if we keep close to winning record by end of season. No other coach could pull off what he has done with this team and that isn’t an exaggeration. He’s put players in positions to succeed and they are reaping the benefits. Can you imagine if we remain the 4-5 seed with 40-60+ mm in cap space and 2 draft picks in a pretty decent draft? What other team has that kind of flexibility combined with winning pedigree? No one.
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smackeddog wrote:Crazy, if anyone had said we'd be over the .500 mark this far into the season, at the 4th playoff spot in the east and Randle would be an Allstar and we'd all be praising him, they would have been laughed off the board!
those are the highlights... if you look at the big picture its just basically good management. Literally everything we have been begging for. Dont sign stupid contracts, use the draft, sell when you should be selling.

We used the draft. Not all great. We whiffed horribly on guys like Donovan and SGA, but we got some players.
We sold when we should, and Melo and Morris were good players but those picks we got turned into Mitch and Quickley. Let that sink in.
We havent signed stupid contracts. The big splash was Randle, a 2+a little year commitment for a productive guy at age 25 suddenly looks kinda smart. Other guys like Rivers, Noel, Burks, Payton, Bullock, Taj are all savvy moves that have all had positive impacts. The Rose trade shows synergy between the FO and coaching staff. Biggest position of need and they go get Thibs a healthy Derrick Rose for the NBA equiv of nothing.

Then of course it brings us back to Thibs who's been brought here and given everything he needs to do anything he wants to and just wow, look at the results. Now do people understand why this guy was given the whole head coach/president/gm thing? "Whatever you want Thibs..."

Obviously that is not case HERE. The exact opposite. Feels like Thibs has been given everything he needs to be the best coach in the league, and let me tell you, weak east bla bla bla... The guy who took Fizdale's trash and turned it into this is 100% the best coach in this league right now. Best D in the league. 4th seed in the east. Up and coming rotation players like RJ/Mitch/IQ/Obi and FRAAAAAANNNNNNNK all playing roles. Cast off Julius a legit all star and growing himself! We have extra draft capital. If we make no big deals and just have another good draft and bring a couple guys back (depending on draft I like Bullock and Noel as depth guys for cheap) we are in a great spot!

kumbaya mofos! Go Knicks!

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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3/1/2021  3:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2021  3:31 PM
fishmike wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Crazy, if anyone had said we'd be over the .500 mark this far into the season, at the 4th playoff spot in the east and Randle would be an Allstar and we'd all be praising him, they would have been laughed off the board!
those are the highlights... if you look at the big picture its just basically good management. Literally everything we have been begging for. Dont sign stupid contracts, use the draft, sell when you should be selling.

We used the draft. Not all great. We whiffed horribly on guys like Donovan and SGA, but we got some players.
We sold when we should, and Melo and Morris were good players but those picks we got turned into Mitch and Quickley. Let that sink in.
We havent signed stupid contracts. The big splash was Randle, a 2+a little year commitment for a productive guy at age 25 suddenly looks kinda smart. Other guys like Rivers, Noel, Burks, Payton, Bullock, Taj are all savvy moves that have all had positive impacts. The Rose trade shows synergy between the FO and coaching staff. Biggest position of need and they go get Thibs a healthy Derrick Rose for the NBA equiv of nothing.

Then of course it brings us back to Thibs who's been brought here and given everything he needs to do anything he wants to and just wow, look at the results. Now do people understand why this guy was given the whole head coach/president/gm thing? "Whatever you want Thibs..."

Obviously that is not case HERE. The exact opposite. Feels like Thibs has been given everything he needs to be the best coach in the league, and let me tell you, weak east bla bla bla... The guy who took Fizdale's trash and turned it into this is 100% the best coach in this league right now. Best D in the league. 4th seed in the east. Up and coming rotation players like RJ/Mitch/IQ/Obi and FRAAAAAANNNNNNNK all playing roles. Cast off Julius a legit all star and growing himself! We have extra draft capital. If we make no big deals and just have another good draft and bring a couple guys back (depending on draft I like Bullock and Noel as depth guys for cheap) we are in a great spot!

kumbaya mofos! Go Knicks!

Yeah, kumbaya mother effers!

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3/1/2021  8:42 PM
LOL........But its a “Knicks Movie”. YOu know when you watch as show and know there is more to it? Its all good, the music is fun, it just feels good. Then the clouds come in, the music gets intense, something bad happens........and the well we know the rest.

Breen said last night “this time it feels different”..........Uh oh!!!!
It does. Here is a good scenario. Let’s be real 2 games over .500 is not a 4th seed make. Let’s say we finish 7th, and Nets 2nd. We play them. Then phuch them up. Mitch makes Grumpy Deandre look bad, Randle keeps up with KD, and RJ grows up playing Harden and Frank does his part to make Kyrie frustrated.
I don’t hate on the nets like some of you but don’t get me wrong, we play them I want Knicks to own NYC!!!!!

Tom Thibodeau finalizing 5 year deal with knicks per woj (7/30: it's official)

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