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BigDaddyG
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2/6/2020  6:39 PM
anrst wrote:Getting in good with an agency and doing favors for agents is not how you build a team.

It’s how you hamstring a coach and end up making jr smiths brother a millionaire


Also how you end up setting up the Chicago Bulls for deep playoff runs, end up with Steve Mills as POBO etc. The future looks bright.
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2/6/2020  6:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2020  6:44 PM
Uptown wrote:Like most here, I would have preferred an experienced exec at prez. With that said, as long as he surrounds himself with basketball guys whose interest is to rebuild this thing from the ground up without trying to skip steps, we should fine.

This. Baby steps.

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2/6/2020  6:54 PM

Maybe leon is a stop gap until Massi is a FA
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2/6/2020  7:03 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Maybe leon is a stop gap until Massi is a FA
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2/6/2020  7:05 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Maybe leon is a stop gap until Massi is a FA

Perry coulda done that.
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2/6/2020  7:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2020  7:09 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Uptown wrote:Like most here, I would have preferred an experienced exec at prez. With that said, as long as he surrounds himself with basketball guys whose interest is to rebuild this thing from the ground up without trying to skip steps, we should fine.

This. Baby steps.


Baby steps walking in a circle. This is all just a PR move. Nothing has changed. At least we didn't get violated at the trade deadline.
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2/6/2020  7:50 PM
Max Kellerman called all Knick fans idiots and suckers.

What else is new?

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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2/6/2020  8:00 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:One question. What the **** does Leon Rose know about basketball? God forbid we hire someone with RECENT track record of success. Like hiring some ******* from McKinsey.

Another question. What the **** did Phil Jackson know about basketball?

It's a player's league, right?
We suhuck massively huge donkey kong drafting in the very recent past. Yes or no?
Not tired of doing the tank jerk off over the draft every year while winning 30 games yet? Yes or no?

Toronto wasn't giving us Ujiri without a much worse forced shower rape then Rose is possibly going to give other teams in negotiations.


If nothing else, we have Melo locked in for a farewell tour three years from now. [Relax Nalod, see the sarcasm smilies?]

Have you heard of the way of the Triangle my brother? Here is some literature about BCT. Let his three sided wisdom set you free!

Might be kidding about Rose recycling retread clients, but its the kind of thing you would expect from an agent who knows he will likely spend more time as an agent than an exec. Hope Rose turns out to be the answer. Will believe it when I see it.
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2/6/2020  8:12 PM
PresIke wrote:Max Kellerman called all Knick fans idiots and suckers.

What else is new?

Everything that Dolan has touched over the last 2 decades has turned to ****. So of course the obvious reaction by most people is to hate the move especially when the move is outside of the box. If a respected franchise like the Spurs or and Lakers make a move like this, they are praised for being innovators. Because of Dolans past, he will have to show and prove first and I get it.

It's a players league run by superstar players for the most part. You need GMs and presidents that are good at developing relationships with the players, and know how to partner-up with them. I'm really warming up to idea of Rose running show. This really has a good chance to work...Hopefully, Rose is negotiating for full autonomy...if there is such a thing with Dolan around.
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2/6/2020  10:15 PM
Macri tweeted out a good point. Knicks coverage could change due to CAAs intimidation and clout. There's that
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2/7/2020  4:11 AM
Can't help but wonder if Rose agreed to the job when he did because he knew D-Lo was about to be traded to the Wolves, and once that got out Dolan might have lost interest/lowered the proposed pay packet
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2/7/2020  7:33 AM
Kind of weird that some of you are thinking Rose is here for his clients now. That this will be a place where CAA clents interests come first. do we really believe a blog story about Rolando Blackman and we take him to gain favor to get Lebron? Or The notion that knicks were run by CAA all the time with never any accountability? We give and give and they don’t return any favor? At some point it has to end?
OR is this the final conquest? LOL
I’m not going that deep into conspiracy. Fact is Players don’t want to be here because of management and this turn over thing has to stop.

There is still much to know. Besides sucking, what was Mills ultimate sin? Was it the humiliation from moving KP? THe Durant false narrative? Who created that line? Was it knicks? Durant steadfast denies ever having any interest. His agent never refuted the rumors? day of Free agency Mills had already had quite a list of signees. He had to overpay to get them quick. Naturally the free agent window to recruit is a joke. Funny thing is post Fiz this team is living up to some expectaton of being a 30 win team. We won’t get there given the awful start but Miller is doing a good job.
Do we clean house with assistant coaches? H20? Craig Robinson? the assistant coaches? Or do we fortify the notion we have a consistent plan, culture, and we needed a stronger lead to impliment a process that needed refinement and resolve. Will Rose bring that cred? If “Management” sucks, besides results what is it that is repelling players from coming here? Specifically?
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2/7/2020  8:52 AM
I don’t think it is a coincidence that after bringing on Blatt and Stoute as consultants, we have removed Fiz and Mills relatively quickly. I am unsure of who was ultimately responsible for decisions, but one thing is sure, the Knicks failed to execute on a plan to reach the playoffs. Let alone a championship. I think this move is more about how GS and LA have done with former agents running their organization than anything else. And a splashy move with an eye toward rebranding.
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2/7/2020  9:07 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:I don’t think it is a coincidence that after bringing on Blatt and Stoute as consultants, we have removed Fiz and Mills relatively quickly. I am unsure of who was ultimately responsible for decisions, but one thing is sure, the Knicks failed to execute on a plan to reach the playoffs. Let alone a championship. I think this move is more about how GS and LA have done with former agents running their organization than anything else. And a splashy move with an eye toward rebranding.

we are conditioned to think big changes are coming. I really have no idea if we retune and refine our process or we gonna blow it the phuch up! We going to bring in Coach Calipari and have a full Kentucky reunion? He is charismatic and will create a buzz. Or do we double down on the quiet hard working type like Interim Coach MIller is??? We can make it all glam and starphuch like but results will have to come and people are accountable.
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2/7/2020  9:24 AM
don't underestimate re-branding

as i mentioned in another post we have the ability (if executed properly) to tell players their salary will more or less be the same whereever they go. But here they can get non-cap money through endorsements and be heros even for bringing us back to relevance. We need to sell that image.

most other cities cannot offer that, and those that can (e.g., LA) you need to win a championship and even then you'll be looking up to Kareem, Magic, Kobe, SHaq, Lebron AD etc

for some reason I am optimistic about this move the more i think of it -- though deep down inside i think building a team through FA is dumb == especially when you stink

Now we need to identify the players who have the guts and fortitude (and probably stubbornness) to want to be part of this

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2/7/2020  11:22 AM
I think the legacy thing is over blown. Lebron was not concerned about the shadow of other laker greats and neither was Davis. Clippers never gained traction because it was a shyt show under sterling.
Nalod told you years ago Nets would be sneaky. When I saw the practice facility and the fact players can live in manhatten and cross the bridge is more NYC centric than 41 home dates in the garden and the rest of the time in Westchester. Knicks need to suck it up and get their facility on the island of Manhattan.
Durant is not like others. His departure from OKC told you that. He was cool about it. He wanted NY but without the bullshyt, that's Nets. A fresh brand.
Lets talk about rebranding..........Im not sure stars can make more money from endorsements being in NYC on a global basis unless they succeed. THEN its huge.
Melo did well here and he had the right personality. This will sound crazy but "Winning" is not the end all for all players. Lets just say a chip is cool, but way too many things have to happen. Players want to be "Successful". They want multigenerational money then be successful on the court. Chris Paul is this kind of dude. He is succeeding with OKC this season. HE has a choice, take the money or leave and join up with a team. HE won't get paid as those teams don't have it to give. So CP3 should be happy as they are doing well enough. Melo said things but didn't do things. Im not slaming him. Amare was this kind of dude also. These guys had great work ethic and incredible talent but were happier than the sociopath winning type.
If you read Durants statements this week in an interview I think it basically says this. He has his chips, he has his legacy, and if they are succeeding then its all good. YOu have to do this before you can win a chip so it goes hand in hand. Socio path guys like Jordan are wired differently. Kobe was at times into individual success and his ego could not allow to share the stage. Lebron LIKES to share the stage but he is wired to succeed and say what you want about him but he puts in the work and is intense about his career. Kawhi is a different cat altogether. He is Jordan, Lebron, and Rondo rolled into one. The Rondo part actually helps him tune out the other stuff. He does not have the Kobe ego thing.
Im going to say its way early but I like RJ Barrett's intensity. He is too young to demonstrate sociopath tendancies. Kobe was driven at the same age and was a bit difficult. The greatones can be, its ok. This kid kind of has his place in the world and outwardly is very cool. That he gets better as the season progresses is impressive as hell. This tells me a lot. Where KP did not get his ego fed, RJ seems more comfortable in his skin. If Leon was here he would have eased KP better. This is what agents are really good at. Leon will look at the knicks from a player perspective. Phil handled KP like a coach would. Mills from what we read lacked leaderhip skills were Rose headed CAA basketball division so there is a talent there.
I don't know how this all works out but rebranding the knicks is a multi step process. First it can't be a joke. They have to start to succeed. If you can't get players to come, then you need to build a core thru the draft, cultivate assets and make trades. Assets have to have value. Draft young players be prepared to wait longer. With pending restricted FA's Frank and Dennis are coming to their crossroad. Kevin still has time to develop. We have more picks than ever before which means we can draft solid and draft long shots/Stash/injured all a the same time. The Blairs, porter jr. Emiid, and Parkers/ginobli type can be accomplished. The rebrand won't be overnight unless we go big and bold. That's ok, but if not executed you get a star player with little support. CAA has lots of ties to the movie industry. WE have seen this movie before.
Bottom line is do you feel better with Leon then Mills?
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2/7/2020  12:06 PM
Great article on Rose from Vorkunov.
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Nalod wrote:I think the legacy thing is over blown. Lebron was not concerned about the shadow of other laker greats and neither was Davis. Clippers never gained traction because it was a shyt show under sterling.
Nalod told you years ago Nets would be sneaky. When I saw the practice facility and the fact players can live in manhatten and cross the bridge is more NYC centric than 41 home dates in the garden and the rest of the time in Westchester. Knicks need to suck it up and get their facility on the island of Manhattan.
Durant is not like others. His departure from OKC told you that. He was cool about it. He wanted NY but without the bullshyt, that's Nets. A fresh brand.
Lets talk about rebranding..........Im not sure stars can make more money from endorsements being in NYC on a global basis unless they succeed. THEN its huge.
Melo did well here and he had the right personality. This will sound crazy but "Winning" is not the end all for all players. Lets just say a chip is cool, but way too many things have to happen. Players want to be "Successful". They want multigenerational money then be successful on the court. Chris Paul is this kind of dude. He is succeeding with OKC this season. HE has a choice, take the money or leave and join up with a team. HE won't get paid as those teams don't have it to give. So CP3 should be happy as they are doing well enough. Melo said things but didn't do things. Im not slaming him. Amare was this kind of dude also. These guys had great work ethic and incredible talent but were happier than the sociopath winning type.
If you read Durants statements this week in an interview I think it basically says this. He has his chips, he has his legacy, and if they are succeeding then its all good. YOu have to do this before you can win a chip so it goes hand in hand. Socio path guys like Jordan are wired differently. Kobe was at times into individual success and his ego could not allow to share the stage. Lebron LIKES to share the stage but he is wired to succeed and say what you want about him but he puts in the work and is intense about his career. Kawhi is a different cat altogether. He is Jordan, Lebron, and Rondo rolled into one. The Rondo part actually helps him tune out the other stuff. He does not have the Kobe ego thing.
Im going to say its way early but I like RJ Barrett's intensity. He is too young to demonstrate sociopath tendancies. Kobe was driven at the same age and was a bit difficult. The greatones can be, its ok. This kid kind of has his place in the world and outwardly is very cool. That he gets better as the season progresses is impressive as hell. This tells me a lot. Where KP did not get his ego fed, RJ seems more comfortable in his skin. If Leon was here he would have eased KP better. This is what agents are really good at. Leon will look at the knicks from a player perspective. Phil handled KP like a coach would. Mills from what we read lacked leaderhip skills were Rose headed CAA basketball division so there is a talent there.
I don't know how this all works out but rebranding the knicks is a multi step process. First it can't be a joke. They have to start to succeed. If you can't get players to come, then you need to build a core thru the draft, cultivate assets and make trades. Assets have to have value. Draft young players be prepared to wait longer. With pending restricted FA's Frank and Dennis are coming to their crossroad. Kevin still has time to develop. We have more picks than ever before which means we can draft solid and draft long shots/Stash/injured all a the same time. The Blairs, porter jr. Emiid, and Parkers/ginobli type can be accomplished. The rebrand won't be overnight unless we go big and bold. That's ok, but if not executed you get a star player with little support. CAA has lots of ties to the movie industry. WE have seen this movie before.
Bottom line is do you feel better with Leon then Mills?

LOL... Anything better that nothing.
Mills represents all Knicks become after last 20 years - empty shell filled with garbage.
Time to clean and fill it with substance...

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Not that is was really out there but phew

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2/7/2020  12:45 PM
martin wrote:Not that is was really out there but phew

ha... yea I heard something similar and was like GREAT. Hopefully Miller gets a shot and he and the FO work well.

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