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knicks1248
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12/6/2019  2:48 PM
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Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.

I don’t think even knicks1248 thought it would be THIS bad. Pretty sure even he thought we would be competitive in every game but still kinda suck. I know I was way off with my predictions. I am with you though. I shut it off at halftime.

I saw this coming, the 18 game losing streak last season told me everything I needed to know about the coach..every single game had the YMCA look, pick up basketball.

What kind of a DOPEY coach instructs his team to stand 15 feet away from 3 point shooters, then talk about we were a step slow, we were playing in MUD...

No you didn't, you predicted like a 44 win season for the Knicks

I said the roster has the potential to win 37-44 games..IMO

Damn near the entire roster is have career worst yrs, and the 95% of the roster is not playing hard or smart for their coach..

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12/6/2019  3:00 PM
arkrud wrote:
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Nalod wrote:ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.

I don’t think even knicks1248 thought it would be THIS bad. Pretty sure even he thought we would be competitive in every game but still kinda suck. I know I was way off with my predictions. I am with you though. I shut it off at halftime.

This team is really that bad.
Organization have to pay for decades of stupidity and scam.
Firing everyone and anyone will do nothing about it.
We need to get and grow some NBA players.
This trees take years to grow after planting.

They got there but handed by a team with one lottery pick. The Knicks players are not bad players they are being jerked around and taught BS all day and everyday. Get better coaching and the players will execute and play better.

Better coaching will do wonders for the players.

The biggest telling fact that FIzdale is a terrible coach, most of the players on the roster are having career worse yrs statistically. Mitch numbers are almost flat line, Morris is the one player who is actually having a Career yr. Even frank who is playing 7 more minutes than last yr, has barely shown any improvement, from FGA, Ast, shooting percentage, FTA.

This is no different from last yr when Mudiay was the only player to show improvement.

How long will Dolan allow his players to endure this toxic environment?

We do not have any good players.
On contender team only Morris may be a starter considering no all star players are starting at his position.
Most of our roster will not even come from the bench except of junk time and injury/situational need.
Youngster we have will be developing in GL or at practice time. No one is ready for show time.

Last season

Randle avg 18, 9, and 4ast..that's not garbage

Morris is not garbage

DSJ posted 3 triple doubles before he came to the knicks, and avg 15 points..he's avg 10 point less

portis is avg 7 point less then he did last season, and shooting way worse

Taj 7 point less than last season, and he's have his worst season of his NBA career

I could go go all the way down the roster if you like, but i think you get my drift, the coach you don't want fired has turned solid role players into complete garbage..


Wake up dude, your embarrassing yourself

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12/6/2019  3:05 PM
arkrud wrote:
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HofstraBBall wrote: Don Chaney 2001–2004 72 112
20 Herb Williams* 2004 1 1 0
21 Lenny Wilkens 2004–2005 40 41 One of the top 10 coaches in NBA history[4]
— Herb Williams* 2005 43 16 27
22 Larry Brown 2005–2006 23 59
23 Isiah Thomas 2006–2008 56 108
24 Mike D'Antoni 2008–2012 121 167
25 Mike Woodson 2012–2014 109 79
26 Derek Fisher* 2014–2016 40 96
27 Kurt Rambis 2016 9 19
28 Jeff Hornacek 2016–2018 60 104
29 David Fizdale 2018-2019 21 83

This **** show has been more than just THE Coach. If that is the case then bring back the only winning coach we have had since 2001.

With that said, Fiz is gone. Will be the scapegoat and quite frankly, players not responding anymore. But that is because they clearly heard the narrative that Fiz was the problem from the media and the FO. Problem is that as seen by list above, is a long way from being the solution to turning this franchise around. I do hope they get some assets back from the $70 million spent and we go back to playing the kids. The big change will be if we get someone like Ujiri to come in here and clean up the mess. The bad news, is once again, fans will be waiting for years.

Exactly true and very likely except of FO change.
Its not like they are great but Dolan will not get anybody better on-board.
We can find some development-only coach from NBA assistants pule or college with motivation to seize the opportunity and get NBA head-coaching job..
But this will not improve the record as some fans hope.


Are you suggesting that there's nobody in the basketball world that's better than MILLs, Perry and Fizdale.

As soon as you can come to grips with these FACTS

1)MILLS IS HERE BECAUSE HE IS DOLANS BFF

2)Perry is here because he is black, and a PUPPET yes man

3)FIZdale is also here because he's black and a cool guy.

NONE OF THEM are here because they are very good at their jobs....

they INTERVIEWED 11 coaches and look at the choice they made.

I am not suggesting there are no better coaches, GMs, Press..
Most of then in NBA are better.
I stated Dolan will get non of them to get on-board.
Especially after firing current group after 1,5 seasons.
He will get some gold diggers or no-names with opportunity to get into position.


Did you even know who grunwald was before he convince JR smith to play here, Jason Kidd, novak, rasheed, camby, kmart, and put together a 54 win team with zero cap space..

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12/6/2019  3:34 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote: Don Chaney 2001–2004 72 112
20 Herb Williams* 2004 1 1 0
21 Lenny Wilkens 2004–2005 40 41 One of the top 10 coaches in NBA history[4]
— Herb Williams* 2005 43 16 27
22 Larry Brown 2005–2006 23 59
23 Isiah Thomas 2006–2008 56 108
24 Mike D'Antoni 2008–2012 121 167
25 Mike Woodson 2012–2014 109 79
26 Derek Fisher* 2014–2016 40 96
27 Kurt Rambis 2016 9 19
28 Jeff Hornacek 2016–2018 60 104
29 David Fizdale 2018-2019 21 83

This **** show has been more than just THE Coach. If that is the case then bring back the only winning coach we have had since 2001.

With that said, Fiz is gone. Will be the scapegoat and quite frankly, players not responding anymore. But that is because they clearly heard the narrative that Fiz was the problem from the media and the FO. Problem is that as seen by list above, is a long way from being the solution to turning this franchise around. I do hope they get some assets back from the $70 million spent and we go back to playing the kids. The big change will be if we get someone like Ujiri to come in here and clean up the mess. The bad news, is once again, fans will be waiting for years.

Exactly true and very likely except of FO change.
Its not like they are great but Dolan will not get anybody better on-board.
We can find some development-only coach from NBA assistants pule or college with motivation to seize the opportunity and get NBA head-coaching job..
But this will not improve the record as some fans hope.


Are you suggesting that there's nobody in the basketball world that's better than MILLs, Perry and Fizdale.

As soon as you can come to grips with these FACTS

1)MILLS IS HERE BECAUSE HE IS DOLANS BFF

2)Perry is here because he is black, and a PUPPET yes man

3)FIZdale is also here because he's black and a cool guy.

NONE OF THEM are here because they are very good at their jobs....

they INTERVIEWED 11 coaches and look at the choice they made.

I am not suggesting there are no better coaches, GMs, Press..
Most of then in NBA are better.
I stated Dolan will get non of them to get on-board.
Especially after firing current group after 1,5 seasons.
He will get some gold diggers or no-names with opportunity to get into position.


Did you even know who grunwald was before he convince JR smith to play here, Jason Kidd, novak, rasheed, camby, kmart, and put together a 54 win team with zero cap space..

If anything this was monumental mistake to set the club for downward spiral we still cannot recover from.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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12/6/2019  3:38 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.

I don’t think even knicks1248 thought it would be THIS bad. Pretty sure even he thought we would be competitive in every game but still kinda suck. I know I was way off with my predictions. I am with you though. I shut it off at halftime.

This team is really that bad.
Organization have to pay for decades of stupidity and scam.
Firing everyone and anyone will do nothing about it.
We need to get and grow some NBA players.
This trees take years to grow after planting.

They got there but handed by a team with one lottery pick. The Knicks players are not bad players they are being jerked around and taught BS all day and everyday. Get better coaching and the players will execute and play better.

Better coaching will do wonders for the players.

The biggest telling fact that FIzdale is a terrible coach, most of the players on the roster are having career worse yrs statistically. Mitch numbers are almost flat line, Morris is the one player who is actually having a Career yr. Even frank who is playing 7 more minutes than last yr, has barely shown any improvement, from FGA, Ast, shooting percentage, FTA.

This is no different from last yr when Mudiay was the only player to show improvement.

How long will Dolan allow his players to endure this toxic environment?

We do not have any good players.
On contender team only Morris may be a starter considering no all star players are starting at his position.
Most of our roster will not even come from the bench except of junk time and injury/situational need.
Youngster we have will be developing in GL or at practice time. No one is ready for show time.

Last season

Randle avg 18, 9, and 4ast..that's not garbage

Morris is not garbage

DSJ posted 3 triple doubles before he came to the knicks, and avg 15 points..he's avg 10 point less

portis is avg 7 point less then he did last season, and shooting way worse

Taj 7 point less than last season, and he's have his worst season of his NBA career

I could go go all the way down the roster if you like, but i think you get my drift, the coach you don't want fired has turned solid role players into complete garbage..


Wake up dude, your embarrassing yourself

DSJ had bad last year and he is most likely a bust.
Portis bbal IQ is close to 0.
Randle is third option who played on good team backing up superstar.
So he get the numbers.
Taj is solid but old and is declining.
As I said Morris is good and his numbers are better here.
So what's you point?

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12/6/2019  3:43 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.

I don’t think even knicks1248 thought it would be THIS bad. Pretty sure even he thought we would be competitive in every game but still kinda suck. I know I was way off with my predictions. I am with you though. I shut it off at halftime.

I saw this coming, the 18 game losing streak last season told me everything I needed to know about the coach..every single game had the YMCA look, pick up basketball.

What kind of a DOPEY coach instructs his team to stand 15 feet away from 3 point shooters, then talk about we were a step slow, we were playing in MUD...

No you didn't, you predicted like a 44 win season for the Knicks

I said the roster has the potential to win 37-44 games..IMO

Damn near the entire roster is have career worst yrs, and the 95% of the roster is not playing hard or smart for their coach..

Correct. You did not see that coming, otherwise you would have predicted differently.

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12/6/2019  5:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2019  5:08 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.

I don’t think even knicks1248 thought it would be THIS bad. Pretty sure even he thought we would be competitive in every game but still kinda suck. I know I was way off with my predictions. I am with you though. I shut it off at halftime.

This team is really that bad.
Organization have to pay for decades of stupidity and scam.
Firing everyone and anyone will do nothing about it.
We need to get and grow some NBA players.
This trees take years to grow after planting.

They got there but handed by a team with one lottery pick. The Knicks players are not bad players they are being jerked around and taught BS all day and everyday. Get better coaching and the players will execute and play better.

Better coaching will do wonders for the players.

The biggest telling fact that FIzdale is a terrible coach, most of the players on the roster are having career worse yrs statistically. Mitch numbers are almost flat line, Morris is the one player who is actually having a Career yr. Even frank who is playing 7 more minutes than last yr, has barely shown any improvement, from FGA, Ast, shooting percentage, FTA.

This is no different from last yr when Mudiay was the only player to show improvement.

How long will Dolan allow his players to endure this toxic environment?

We do not have any good players.
On contender team only Morris may be a starter considering no all star players are starting at his position.
Most of our roster will not even come from the bench except of junk time and injury/situational need.
Youngster we have will be developing in GL or at practice time. No one is ready for show time.

Last season

Randle avg 18, 9, and 4ast..that's not garbage

Morris is not garbage

DSJ posted 3 triple doubles before he came to the knicks, and avg 15 points..he's avg 10 point less

portis is avg 7 point less then he did last season, and shooting way worse

Taj 7 point less than last season, and he's have his worst season of his NBA career

I could go go all the way down the roster if you like, but i think you get my drift, the coach you don't want fired has turned solid role players into complete garbage..


Wake up dude, your embarrassing yourself


I agree, this roster is better than 17 wins. But even if we had a good coach, alllloooottt of things would have needed to go right for us to win in near 40 games.
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12/6/2019  6:59 PM
Purpose? Saving Mills' ass is the purpose. Mills always win and everyone has to take the hit for him. He could blame everything on his boss (Phil), or his player(KP), or someone working for him (Jeff Hornacek or fiz). If a player is signed too expensive, it was Phil. If a young bright player got traded, it was because he wanted out. If the team did't play well, it was on the coaches. Rambis, Jeff, and Fiz. It is quite amazing Mills business "experience" can get him that far. The one who played and breathed bball were always wrong, and Mills is somewhat "refreshing" new hope for the team. He represents the new era. Thanks god the triangle finally has gone. lol
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12/6/2019  7:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2019  7:19 PM
mlby1215 wrote:Purpose? Saving Mills' ass is the purpose. Mills always win and everyone has to take the hit for him. He could blame everything on his boss (Phil), or his player(KP), or someone working for him (Jeff Hornacek or fiz). If a player is signed too expensive, it was Phil. If a young bright player got traded, it was because he wanted out. If the team did't play well, it was on the coaches. Rambis, Jeff, and Fiz. It is quite amazing Mills business "experience" can get him that far. The one who played and breathed bball were always wrong, and Mills is somewhat "refreshing" new hope for the team. He represents the new era. Thanks god the triangle finally has gone. lol

I think you nailed it.
It is amazing that even fans like knick1280 who hates Mils are going for his dirty corporate tricks.
They think Fiz will be gone and then Mills will follow.
It does not work like this in corporate world.
So to me firing Fiz has no good reasons, only twisted ones.

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12/6/2019  9:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2019  9:37 PM
So what really was the reason to fire Fiz... except of all promises to him were broken and his own expectations never play out?
But he get the money... and i think will get another coaching job.
So who is the loser of the firing?
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12/7/2019  11:00 AM
Hearing Kendrick Perkins say Fiz is a "great coach" literally made me lol.

Great? Really? Based on what?

I don't hate him, and of course Mills is more than culpable as is the "culture" of MSG/Dolan, but please.

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12/7/2019  11:07 AM
What promises were broken?
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12/7/2019  11:12 AM
PresIke wrote:Hearing Kendrick Perkins say Fiz is a "great coach" literally made me lol.

Great? Really? Based on what?

I don't hate him, and of course Mills is more than culpable as is the "culture" of MSG/Dolan, but please.

How about DeAndre Jordan's quote: A veteran guy who is connected around the league, and played under Fiz but then CHOSE NOT TO COME BACK, here's what this irrelevant person had to say:

“ I love Fiz. He treated me well when I was there and my family. He’s a great motivational guy, he’s competitive. Obviously, he was down there [in Miami] and they won some championships. So, that’s unfortunate. That sucks.”

I bolded the motivational part. Because if you could only motivate this roster to 4 wins in 25 games i'm sorry, i think anyone is capable of that. You could play a sleep meditation in the locker room before games and they'd still look more prepared.

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12/7/2019  1:40 PM
I guess we got our answer - the purpose is to get a look at Mike Miller
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12/7/2019  3:39 PM
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PresIke wrote:Hearing Kendrick Perkins say Fiz is a "great coach" literally made me lol.

Great? Really? Based on what?

I don't hate him, and of course Mills is more than culpable as is the "culture" of MSG/Dolan, but please.

How about DeAndre Jordan's quote: A veteran guy who is connected around the league, and played under Fiz but then CHOSE NOT TO COME BACK, here's what this irrelevant person had to say:

“ I love Fiz. He treated me well when I was there and my family. He’s a great motivational guy, he’s competitive. Obviously, he was down there [in Miami] and they won some championships. So, that’s unfortunate. That sucks.”

I bolded the motivational part. Because if you could only motivate this roster to 4 wins in 25 games i'm sorry, i think anyone is capable of that. You could play a sleep meditation in the locker room before games and they'd still look more prepared.

What DJ means by motivational may be that Fiz is a feel good guy even though he just drove you off a cliff.

"Feel good" is not motivation to win but motivation not to change a damned thing while losing.

I don't shed a single tear for Fiz.

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12/7/2019  3:42 PM
anrst wrote:What promises were broken?

That team will get top FAs... and retain KP.
Plus top pick...
Why else Fiz was needed?
As soon as this all failed he became useless.
Mills/Perry sell Zion/FA to Dolan and Fiz was an instrument and customer.
They did not expect the worst case scenario.
And to deal with the excess is too much for any of 3.
So they push the rest button.

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12/7/2019  4:22 PM
arkrud wrote:
anrst wrote:What promises were broken?

That team will get top FAs... and retain KP.
Plus top pick...
Why else Fiz was needed?
As soon as this all failed he became useless.
Mills/Perry sell Zion/FA to Dolan and Fiz was an instrument and customer.
They did not expect the worst case scenario.
And to deal with the excess is too much for any of 3.
So they push the reset button.

Those aren't promises, they were expectations. And worst case scenarios were never considered. Fizdale agreed to tank. Hey he got paid for losing. What me worry? He then expected a year or two of honeymoon with a superstar, a great lottery pick, and adoring fans.

He was entirely delinquent in hardening a core team. Clueless. And looking at the schedule, there are must win games early. He slept walked through them. Incompetent is too kind an assessment.

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12/7/2019  4:35 PM
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mlby1215 wrote:Purpose? Saving Mills' ass is the purpose. Mills always win and everyone has to take the hit for him. He could blame everything on his boss (Phil), or his player(KP), or someone working for him (Jeff Hornacek or fiz). If a player is signed too expensive, it was Phil. If a young bright player got traded, it was because he wanted out. If the team did't play well, it was on the coaches. Rambis, Jeff, and Fiz. It is quite amazing Mills business "experience" can get him that far. The one who played and breathed bball were always wrong, and Mills is somewhat "refreshing" new hope for the team. He represents the new era. Thanks god the triangle finally has gone. lol

I think you nailed it.
It is amazing that even fans like knick1280 who hates Mils are going for his dirty corporate tricks.
They think Fiz will be gone and then Mills will follow.
It does not work like this in corporate world.
So to me firing Fiz has no good reasons, only twisted ones.

One difference between Phil and Mills is the age. You can argue Phil sucked, but he was too old to stay here long term. He would be gone very soon. But Mills is not, he looks like he still has 20 years to live, at least.

People think Mills would get fired so think again. If Dolan would do so, he would have done it long long time ago. If he fired Mills, it would mean "he didn't hire the best people". Dolan is very prideful. It is not possible. Unless Mills get him angered somehow.

Knicks fans should have known better. Keeping Phil was not about Phil, but all about getting away from Mills (or other Dolan boys) It was the only chance to get away from Dolan's influence. If Phil didn't get fired, he would retire now and Gaines Jr. would take his place.

I was very angry and very sad the day Phil Jackson got fired. It was not because I blindly worship him, but I knew the only chance putting the team back to professionals was gone. Phil Jackson could have many flaws but at least he KNEW bballs. Mills? I even don't know what he is made of. I would not surprised one day it is revealed that Dolan is gay and Mills is his secret lover all along.

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12/7/2019  4:47 PM
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mlby1215 wrote:Purpose? Saving Mills' ass is the purpose. Mills always win and everyone has to take the hit for him. He could blame everything on his boss (Phil), or his player(KP), or someone working for him (Jeff Hornacek or fiz). If a player is signed too expensive, it was Phil. If a young bright player got traded, it was because he wanted out. If the team did't play well, it was on the coaches. Rambis, Jeff, and Fiz. It is quite amazing Mills business "experience" can get him that far. The one who played and breathed bball were always wrong, and Mills is somewhat "refreshing" new hope for the team. He represents the new era. Thanks god the triangle finally has gone. lol

I think you nailed it.
It is amazing that even fans like knick1280 who hates Mils are going for his dirty corporate tricks.
They think Fiz will be gone and then Mills will follow.
It does not work like this in corporate world.
So to me firing Fiz has no good reasons, only twisted ones.

One difference between Phil and Mills is the age. You can argue Phil sucked, but he was too old to stay here long term. He would be gone very soon. But Mills is not, he looks like he still has 20 years to live, at least.

People think Mills would get fired so think again. If Dolan would do so, he would have done it long long time ago. If he fired Mills, it would mean "he didn't hire the best people". Dolan is very prideful. It is not possible. Unless Mills get him angered somehow.

Knicks fans should have known better. Keeping Phil was not about Phil, but all about getting away from Mills (or other Dolan boys) It was the only chance to get away from Dolan's influence. If Phil didn't get fired, he would retire now and Gaines Jr. would take his place.

I was very angry and very sad the day Phil Jackson got fired. It was not because I blindly worship him, but I knew the only chance putting the team back to professionals was gone. Phil Jackson could have many flaws but at least he KNEW bballs. Mills? I even don't know what he is made of. I would not surprised one day it is revealed that Dolan is gay and Mills is his secret lover all along.

Phil didn't know modern ball. He scoffed at SSOL. He signed Joachim Noah to be a Triangle center. He didn't trade Melo when he could have. Then signed Melo and gave him a max deal with no trade clause. Phil didn't want KP he wanted Okafor.

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mlby1215 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
mlby1215 wrote:Purpose? Saving Mills' ass is the purpose. Mills always win and everyone has to take the hit for him. He could blame everything on his boss (Phil), or his player(KP), or someone working for him (Jeff Hornacek or fiz). If a player is signed too expensive, it was Phil. If a young bright player got traded, it was because he wanted out. If the team did't play well, it was on the coaches. Rambis, Jeff, and Fiz. It is quite amazing Mills business "experience" can get him that far. The one who played and breathed bball were always wrong, and Mills is somewhat "refreshing" new hope for the team. He represents the new era. Thanks god the triangle finally has gone. lol

I think you nailed it.
It is amazing that even fans like knick1280 who hates Mils are going for his dirty corporate tricks.
They think Fiz will be gone and then Mills will follow.
It does not work like this in corporate world.
So to me firing Fiz has no good reasons, only twisted ones.

One difference between Phil and Mills is the age. You can argue Phil sucked, but he was too old to stay here long term. He would be gone very soon. But Mills is not, he looks like he still has 20 years to live, at least.

People think Mills would get fired so think again. If Dolan would do so, he would have done it long long time ago. If he fired Mills, it would mean "he didn't hire the best people". Dolan is very prideful. It is not possible. Unless Mills get him angered somehow.

Knicks fans should have known better. Keeping Phil was not about Phil, but all about getting away from Mills (or other Dolan boys) It was the only chance to get away from Dolan's influence. If Phil didn't get fired, he would retire now and Gaines Jr. would take his place.

I was very angry and very sad the day Phil Jackson got fired. It was not because I blindly worship him, but I knew the only chance putting the team back to professionals was gone. Phil Jackson could have many flaws but at least he KNEW bballs. Mills? I even don't know what he is made of. I would not surprised one day it is revealed that Dolan is gay and Mills is his secret lover all along.

Phil didn't know modern ball. He scoffed at SSOL. He signed Joachim Noah to be a Triangle center. He didn't trade Melo when he could have. Then signed Melo and gave him a max deal with no trade clause. Phil didn't want KP he wanted Okafor.

I don't know why I still have to talk about that again and again, but I try to anyway.
1 Did you say modern bball? the one gave Mills 50-132? at 0.274 I feel like the "outdated balls" is better. in 80-166 it is 0.325
2, Do you know any shape or form of modern balls other than shooting a lot 3? Why couldn't triangle shooting a lot of 3 by letting players standing a little bit far away? Why players in triangle couldn't always pass around the ball unless it is layup or 3 ball?You have eaten everything NY media had given you and assumed it is fact.
3, Noah is a failure, and it is always a failure. But should Mills have been responsible for the last 3 of 4 year of Noah? If he didn't want him, why he didn't play Noah enough so at least he could have some trade value? If Mills wanted to rebuild , why didn't he keep Noah and let him to mentor Mitch?
4, how could he have traded a guy with a no-trade clause? This is why Mills is genius. Every failure belonged to Phil, not the general manager.
5, Yeah, it must be Phil giving the deal to Melo, not Mills. Right? As a coach Phil Jackson always let players to make decisions so suddenly as a prez he decided to do everything by himself? How did you know he was responsible? Isoka told you?
6, From MJ to Pippen, Shaq to Kobe, and KP to Frank. Which one was/is below average as a defender? Phil always pick defense skills over offense skills. Didn't you see the pattern? Do you know why? Because he always rely on triangle to create offense so he doesn't mind to have a worse offense player. He could have train him into the system. So,

Okafor have always been seen as a below average defender even before draft. So why would he want to draft him? Just because the media told you so? or just because his friend once wrote something he (not phil) personally like players with big butt? Assume Phil Jackson wanted Okafor all along, how did media know? he never leaked. Even after 2.5 years, he never leaked anything about the days as prez of Knicks.

And this is why Phil had no friend in NYC. He didn't leak, and NY media would die just because they would have nothing to report on. He was bad to their business, so he had to go away.

Which part I said do you disagree?

What is the purpose of firing Fiz?

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