BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:an "improved" Knox doesn't mean a good player, lol

And if the career player you are referring to is Randle, keep in mind of the players he was playing with as well. The game is different when teams aren't necessarily planning their defense around you.

but to the question, I voted no. I am really surprised at how high expectations were for this team. I am disappointed at our current record but only because I felt we lost some games in the fourth, that we could have won but that's on FO for not being able to bring in star players.

The point is that we have much better players this year than we did the past couple of years and we are on pace to win maybe 2/3 more games than last years record. It’s flat out unacceptable you me. I knew we were going to have a losing record but the talent level at the bare minimum should have us winning 29 games. This team was better than Horneceks team and he was fired for only winning 29.

When do you start to blame the players? Think everyone is falsely under the impression the NBA is like a HS squad and the coach is responsible to teach guys a system and how to play. Or like a NCAA type system in which everyone is equal. Fact is the NBA is a players league in which you run the same basic sets. If the players don't make buckets then they don't win. Coach calls a few set plays and in bounds but really only effects a game by the players he decides to play. In fairness to Fiz, that is also decided by the FO and the direction they want him to go. It's obvious the FO/Dolan wants to give these FA's most of the run and try to win. Would rather the young kids go but to blame the coach is a bit naive.

But that is part of the coach's job Hofstra. Heck, Fiz listed that as one of his goals when he took the job. I agree, the players need to step up. But I'm not confident we have a coach to put them in the best position to get them there. I know Pop isn't walking through that door, but neither is LeBron. Fix needs to do a better job of adjusting to his personnel.

What do you both suggest he do differently? Add some more PnR's? RnR type movement? If you look at all the coaches we have had since 2001. what more complex systems did they run? Did not fans complain about those as well? We have not had a winning team since 2001. Other then Woodson with Melo. And you know what most thought about those offensive schemes.

In terms of improving a players game, is that really an NBA coaches responsibility? I hear this a lot on the boards. I mean if Mitch keeps fouling 3pt shooters and not able to set proper picks, does the Head coach work on that in practices? If so, he would be a skills trainer and not a coach. Is Fiz responsible for Mitch learning a 10 foot shot? I haven't seen Mitch take a 10 foot shot in two years. One would think he has a trainer to work on that in the off season. Are we to give Fiz the credit for guys like Dotson and Frank working on their outside shots. One would think Knox has a trainer that works on a pull up game. Do agree that he has to set the tone and personality of a team and is responsible for keeping better match ups on the floor but think most fans put way too much on a coach due to frustration. And again, if guys are hitting shots at a high click, coaches look like geniuses.

Regardless, in pro sports, if you don't win you get replaced. May be 50% scapegoat but you will get replaced. A coach is also to blame if players are not responding. Obvious that Fiz is not going to last. Problem I see is that fans just don't get the fact it takes a coach a few years to develop a teams identity and is not the reason a team sucks. Specially when you look at the OBVIOUS level of talent on the roster. You would think fans would notice how 4 coaches in 5 years seems to point to another possible cause. And hate to let everyone know, with this level of talent, Pat Riley and Pop would maybe have an extra 4 wins at this juncture. Does everyone remember Larry Brown experiment and Lenny Wilkins? Possible HOF coaches that could not help bad teams either.

Great post. One thing that might be trending against Fiz, Begley pointed out that he thinks some of the guys have tuned him out. Not sure that Mike Miller or someone else on the staff gets them to tune back in.

Agree. Main reason why most coaches are fired. So called "Losing the Locker and players" When judging a coach, I always try to look at the effort level and intensity of the team. Think our effort on the defensive side has been pretty good all year. On offense I look at how many open shots an offense is able to produce. Think that this has been pretty good as well. Do feel there is lots of Isolation but once again, this is the NBA. If you look at many of the close games we have lost, it has come down to turnovers down the stretch, missed open shots and even worse bad foul shooting. Things I don't think you can put on the coach. But again, if he is losing player support, there is only one ending. Fans also need to look at what kind of direction he is getting from the FO. It seems to me, the FO is clearly pushing the narrative of winning with the FA's just added. So cant really get mad at him for not playing the younger players.

Fiz's decision making has been part of the reason why we suck. The dude started Kevin Knox at two with Trier and Dot available! That doesn't look like questionable decision making to you? How many times have Randle put in situations we know he's going to fail in? The fans know it. Fiz can't figure out after a few games? How many times have we seen the team go through offensive funks only to see one of our best offensive sparks languishing on the bench? I forget, which game, but there was time late in the fourth quarter where we needed a key defensive stop and refused to sub Frank in. Don't you think that would be the ideal time to use your best perimeter defender? It's not just the players. The dude has the smell if a bad coach.

Player assessment and rotation is definitely not a strong point for Fizdale. The players won’t say anything but don’t think they don’t notice this. After a while players are gonna be like wtf is doing now.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:an "improved" Knox doesn't mean a good player, lol

And if the career player you are referring to is Randle, keep in mind of the players he was playing with as well. The game is different when teams aren't necessarily planning their defense around you.

but to the question, I voted no. I am really surprised at how high expectations were for this team. I am disappointed at our current record but only because I felt we lost some games in the fourth, that we could have won but that's on FO for not being able to bring in star players.

The point is that we have much better players this year than we did the past couple of years and we are on pace to win maybe 2/3 more games than last years record. It’s flat out unacceptable you me. I knew we were going to have a losing record but the talent level at the bare minimum should have us winning 29 games. This team was better than Horneceks team and he was fired for only winning 29.

When do you start to blame the players? Think everyone is falsely under the impression the NBA is like a HS squad and the coach is responsible to teach guys a system and how to play. Or like a NCAA type system in which everyone is equal. Fact is the NBA is a players league in which you run the same basic sets. If the players don't make buckets then they don't win. Coach calls a few set plays and in bounds but really only effects a game by the players he decides to play. In fairness to Fiz, that is also decided by the FO and the direction they want him to go. It's obvious the FO/Dolan wants to give these FA's most of the run and try to win. Would rather the young kids go but to blame the coach is a bit naive.

But that is part of the coach's job Hofstra. Heck, Fiz listed that as one of his goals when he took the job. I agree, the players need to step up. But I'm not confident we have a coach to put them in the best position to get them there. I know Pop isn't walking through that door, but neither is LeBron. Fix needs to do a better job of adjusting to his personnel.

What do you both suggest he do differently? Add some more PnR's? RnR type movement? If you look at all the coaches we have had since 2001. what more complex systems did they run? Did not fans complain about those as well? We have not had a winning team since 2001 other then Woodson and Melo. And you know what most thought about those offensive schemes.

In terms of improving a players game, is that really an NBA coaches are responsibility? I hear this a lot on the boards. I mean if Mitch keeps fouling 3pt shooters and not able to set proper picks, does the Head coach work on that in practices? If so, he would be a skills trainer and not a coach. Is Fiz responsible for Mitch learning a 10 foot shot? I haven't seen Mitch take a 10 foot shot in two years. One would think he has a trainer to work on that in the off season. Are we to give Fiz the credit for guys like Dotson and Frank working on their outside shots. One would think Knox has a trainer that works on a pull up game. Do agree that he has to set the tone and personality of a team and is responsible for keeping better match ups on the floor but think most fans put way too much on a coach due to frustration. And again, if guys are hitting shots at a high click, coaches look like geniuses.

Regardless, in pro sports, if you don't win you get replaced. May be 50% scapegoat but you will get replaced. A coach is also to blame if players are not responding. Obvious that Fiz is not going to last. Problem I see is that fans just don't get the fact it takes a coach a few years to develop a teams identity and is not the reason a team sucks. Specially when you look at the OBVIOUS level of talent on the roster. You would think fans would notice how 4 coaches in 5 years seems to point to another possible cause. And hate to let everyone know, with this level of talent, Pat Riley and Pop would maybe have an extra 4 wins at this juncture. Does everyone remember Larry Brown experiment and Lenny Wilkins? Possible HOF coaches that could not help bad teams either.

there are plenty of coaches who have inherited a given squad and had major impacts on w/l, see, e.g., Budenholzer and Kerr

Yes talent is king; but coaching matters too. A couple years back Pop was beating many teams in the league sitting his starting five.

Up here in Celtics land the announcers were fond of saying a good coach develops players or wins games, a great coach does both

Back in the day Bill Fitch was thought to be a developer but couldn't deliver the goods (i.e., titles); KC Jones could deliver the goods but wasn't renowned for development.

Agree. Coaching is obviously important. Question is when should a rebuilding team give up on a new coach with little talent. And how much is that coach at fault for losing or players getting better? Cant really think of a coach that took over with low talent level and had a major impact within a year of taking over? Burdinger and Kerr inherited some pretty good rosters.

it's like the adage don't confuse a bull market with genius (i.e., everyone looks smart in a bull market). Coaches look good with great talent

The problem we have starts with mediocre talent at an individual level and poor fit on top of that. Certainly makes Fizz's job that much harder. But he has done so many dumb things on a regular basis i can feel comfortable thinking he's not a head coach.

I think the starting point is to have a system -- something Phil preached but didn't execute well on. I.e., have an idea about what style of ball you're going to play. Draft players that fit that bill and that can be developed that way -- in the G-league if necessary. And coaches who are good at that system

Larry Brown -- a pariah of sorts -- used to be able to turn around dismal teams. Chuck Daly. They exist. Dwane Casey may qualify (who knows maybe Monty Williams)

Ideally we would throw all the bums out and let the new FO instill a system as above and choose a coach. And who knows maybe that's going on as we speak but i have no idea who Dolan would turn to for guidance on this.

but we need a change of CS soon or things are going to get uglier. no one likes losing and getting embarrassed, booed on the home court, etc. Vets will get resentful and selfish. the young guys will learn nothing watching a bunch of selfish vets

At the moment i feel RJ is a cornerstone. he needs to develop some but he has a real chance to be special. During the Celts game Scalabrine (who deplores the Knicks) said he reminded him of Harden because he was a lefty and sneaky strong. Mitch, KK, Frank, Dot, and DSJ have the chance to really contribute with DSJ being a wild card. Maybe he elevates or maybe he goes off the deep end. I wouldn't miss a single one of our Vets

Vmart wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:an "improved" Knox doesn't mean a good player, lol

And if the career player you are referring to is Randle, keep in mind of the players he was playing with as well. The game is different when teams aren't necessarily planning their defense around you.

but to the question, I voted no. I am really surprised at how high expectations were for this team. I am disappointed at our current record but only because I felt we lost some games in the fourth, that we could have won but that's on FO for not being able to bring in star players.

The point is that we have much better players this year than we did the past couple of years and we are on pace to win maybe 2/3 more games than last years record. It’s flat out unacceptable you me. I knew we were going to have a losing record but the talent level at the bare minimum should have us winning 29 games. This team was better than Horneceks team and he was fired for only winning 29.

When do you start to blame the players? Think everyone is falsely under the impression the NBA is like a HS squad and the coach is responsible to teach guys a system and how to play. Or like a NCAA type system in which everyone is equal. Fact is the NBA is a players league in which you run the same basic sets. If the players don't make buckets then they don't win. Coach calls a few set plays and in bounds but really only effects a game by the players he decides to play. In fairness to Fiz, that is also decided by the FO and the direction they want him to go. It's obvious the FO/Dolan wants to give these FA's most of the run and try to win. Would rather the young kids go but to blame the coach is a bit naive.

But that is part of the coach's job Hofstra. Heck, Fiz listed that as one of his goals when he took the job. I agree, the players need to step up. But I'm not confident we have a coach to put them in the best position to get them there. I know Pop isn't walking through that door, but neither is LeBron. Fix needs to do a better job of adjusting to his personnel.

What do you both suggest he do differently? Add some more PnR's? RnR type movement? If you look at all the coaches we have had since 2001. what more complex systems did they run? Did not fans complain about those as well? We have not had a winning team since 2001. Other then Woodson with Melo. And you know what most thought about those offensive schemes.

In terms of improving a players game, is that really an NBA coaches responsibility? I hear this a lot on the boards. I mean if Mitch keeps fouling 3pt shooters and not able to set proper picks, does the Head coach work on that in practices? If so, he would be a skills trainer and not a coach. Is Fiz responsible for Mitch learning a 10 foot shot? I haven't seen Mitch take a 10 foot shot in two years. One would think he has a trainer to work on that in the off season. Are we to give Fiz the credit for guys like Dotson and Frank working on their outside shots. One would think Knox has a trainer that works on a pull up game. Do agree that he has to set the tone and personality of a team and is responsible for keeping better match ups on the floor but think most fans put way too much on a coach due to frustration. And again, if guys are hitting shots at a high click, coaches look like geniuses.

Regardless, in pro sports, if you don't win you get replaced. May be 50% scapegoat but you will get replaced. A coach is also to blame if players are not responding. Obvious that Fiz is not going to last. Problem I see is that fans just don't get the fact it takes a coach a few years to develop a teams identity and is not the reason a team sucks. Specially when you look at the OBVIOUS level of talent on the roster. You would think fans would notice how 4 coaches in 5 years seems to point to another possible cause. And hate to let everyone know, with this level of talent, Pat Riley and Pop would maybe have an extra 4 wins at this juncture. Does everyone remember Larry Brown experiment and Lenny Wilkins? Possible HOF coaches that could not help bad teams either.

Great post. One thing that might be trending against Fiz, Begley pointed out that he thinks some of the guys have tuned him out. Not sure that Mike Miller or someone else on the staff gets them to tune back in.

Agree. Main reason why most coaches are fired. So called "Losing the Locker and players" When judging a coach, I always try to look at the effort level and intensity of the team. Think our effort on the defensive side has been pretty good all year. On offense I look at how many open shots an offense is able to produce. Think that this has been pretty good as well. Do feel there is lots of Isolation but once again, this is the NBA. If you look at many of the close games we have lost, it has come down to turnovers down the stretch, missed open shots and even worse bad foul shooting. Things I don't think you can put on the coach. But again, if he is losing player support, there is only one ending. Fans also need to look at what kind of direction he is getting from the FO. It seems to me, the FO is clearly pushing the narrative of winning with the FA's just added. So cant really get mad at him for not playing the younger players.

Fiz's decision making has been part of the reason why we suck. The dude started Kevin Knox at two with Trier and Dot available! That doesn't look like questionable decision making to you? How many times have Randle put in situations we know he's going to fail in? The fans know it. Fiz can't figure out after a few games? How many times have we seen the team go through offensive funks only to see one of our best offensive sparks languishing on the bench? I forget, which game, but there was time late in the fourth quarter where we needed a key defensive stop and refused to sub Frank in. Don't you think that would be the ideal time to use your best perimeter defender? It's not just the players. The dude has the smell if a bad coach.

Player assessment and rotation is definitely not a strong point for Fizdale. The players won’t say anything but don’t think they don’t notice this. After a while players are gonna be like wtf is doing now.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:an "improved" Knox doesn't mean a good player, lol

And if the career player you are referring to is Randle, keep in mind of the players he was playing with as well. The game is different when teams aren't necessarily planning their defense around you.

but to the question, I voted no. I am really surprised at how high expectations were for this team. I am disappointed at our current record but only because I felt we lost some games in the fourth, that we could have won but that's on FO for not being able to bring in star players.

The point is that we have much better players this year than we did the past couple of years and we are on pace to win maybe 2/3 more games than last years record. It’s flat out unacceptable you me. I knew we were going to have a losing record but the talent level at the bare minimum should have us winning 29 games. This team was better than Horneceks team and he was fired for only winning 29.

When do you start to blame the players? Think everyone is falsely under the impression the NBA is like a HS squad and the coach is responsible to teach guys a system and how to play. Or like a NCAA type system in which everyone is equal. Fact is the NBA is a players league in which you run the same basic sets. If the players don't make buckets then they don't win. Coach calls a few set plays and in bounds but really only effects a game by the players he decides to play. In fairness to Fiz, that is also decided by the FO and the direction they want him to go. It's obvious the FO/Dolan wants to give these FA's most of the run and try to win. Would rather the young kids go but to blame the coach is a bit naive.

But that is part of the coach's job Hofstra. Heck, Fiz listed that as one of his goals when he took the job. I agree, the players need to step up. But I'm not confident we have a coach to put them in the best position to get them there. I know Pop isn't walking through that door, but neither is LeBron. Fix needs to do a better job of adjusting to his personnel.

What do you both suggest he do differently? Add some more PnR's? RnR type movement? If you look at all the coaches we have had since 2001. what more complex systems did they run? Did not fans complain about those as well? We have not had a winning team since 2001. Other then Woodson with Melo. And you know what most thought about those offensive schemes.

In terms of improving a players game, is that really an NBA coaches responsibility? I hear this a lot on the boards. I mean if Mitch keeps fouling 3pt shooters and not able to set proper picks, does the Head coach work on that in practices? If so, he would be a skills trainer and not a coach. Is Fiz responsible for Mitch learning a 10 foot shot? I haven't seen Mitch take a 10 foot shot in two years. One would think he has a trainer to work on that in the off season. Are we to give Fiz the credit for guys like Dotson and Frank working on their outside shots. One would think Knox has a trainer that works on a pull up game. Do agree that he has to set the tone and personality of a team and is responsible for keeping better match ups on the floor but think most fans put way too much on a coach due to frustration. And again, if guys are hitting shots at a high click, coaches look like geniuses.

Regardless, in pro sports, if you don't win you get replaced. May be 50% scapegoat but you will get replaced. A coach is also to blame if players are not responding. Obvious that Fiz is not going to last. Problem I see is that fans just don't get the fact it takes a coach a few years to develop a teams identity and is not the reason a team sucks. Specially when you look at the OBVIOUS level of talent on the roster. You would think fans would notice how 4 coaches in 5 years seems to point to another possible cause. And hate to let everyone know, with this level of talent, Pat Riley and Pop would maybe have an extra 4 wins at this juncture. Does everyone remember Larry Brown experiment and Lenny Wilkins? Possible HOF coaches that could not help bad teams either.

Great post. One thing that might be trending against Fiz, Begley pointed out that he thinks some of the guys have tuned him out. Not sure that Mike Miller or someone else on the staff gets them to tune back in.

Agree. Main reason why most coaches are fired. So called "Losing the Locker and players" When judging a coach, I always try to look at the effort level and intensity of the team. Think our effort on the defensive side has been pretty good all year. On offense I look at how many open shots an offense is able to produce. Think that this has been pretty good as well. Do feel there is lots of Isolation but once again, this is the NBA. If you look at many of the close games we have lost, it has come down to turnovers down the stretch, missed open shots and even worse bad foul shooting. Things I don't think you can put on the coach. But again, if he is losing player support, there is only one ending. Fans also need to look at what kind of direction he is getting from the FO. It seems to me, the FO is clearly pushing the narrative of winning with the FA's just added. So cant really get mad at him for not playing the younger players.

Fiz's decision making has been part of the reason why we suck. The dude started Kevin Knox at two with Trier and Dot available! That doesn't look like questionable decision making to you. How many times have Randle put in situations we know he's going to fail in? The fans know it. Fiz can't figure out after a few games? How many times have we seen the team go through offensive funks only to see one of our best offensive sparks languishing on the bench? I forget, which game, but there was time late in the fourth quarter where we needed a key defensive stop and refused to sub Frank in. Don't you think that would be the ideal time to use your best perimeter defender? It's not just the players. The dude has the smell if a bad coach.

Agree that most what was mentioned could be criticized. So if Trier or Dot started, and they played badly would it be seen as a bad coaching move? And again, if Knox plays well than its a great move. Keep in mind, Knox not Dot or Trier were starters most of the year last year. How much of Randle putting himself in bad positions is on Randle? Was there not another game in which Frank was on Walker when he hit a winning shot anyway.

Look, the point is not to defend Fiz for some of the things he has done. Or claim he is the man for the job. I wanted other coaches besides him as well. Also agree that some of what you mentioned could have been coached differently. But I am sure that we can analyze any game and any coach and come up with questionable decisions for every game ever played. My point is that just like you can't truly judge a kid like Frank after one year on a lousy team. You can't judge a coach after one year with a lousy roster. This city is the king of impatience. We have gone through 4 coaches in 5 years. For anyone to expect a coach to come in here and turn this around within one year is just not realistic. If fans really need to blame someone for the current situation and losing, how bout they start with the guy in the FO that has been in control since 2013.

I agree we should give him until All Star break. You could even convince me to give him the whole year. But the dude has not been impressive and he should be gone if this team doesn't improve. If Randle isn't following the game plan, then you give extended minutes on the bench. The coach has that power. Mismatched roster or not, we're still more talented than we were last year. I'm not high on Mills, but he really hasn't been in control since 2013. He was never the GM for more than a season. I agree that he and Perry are on thin ice, and they should go to if things continue.

For anyone to expect a coach to come in here and turn this around within one year is just not realistic.

I agree we should give him until All Star break.

LMFAO!!!!

Don't get me wrong. I think he should go. But, in fairness, we should give him every opportunity to prove his coaching is a joke. He could do something miraculous. I've seen enough, but even I agree 20 games isn't much time for anybody. Give him until All Star, promote Miller as interim if the crap show continues, and doing an earnest coaching search.

Agree. DSjr might find his stride, Frank as well. If they're both playing well, and the team still looks like caca, then give Miller a shot, even if Uptown hates him J/K.

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:an "improved" Knox doesn't mean a good player, lol

And if the career player you are referring to is Randle, keep in mind of the players he was playing with as well. The game is different when teams aren't necessarily planning their defense around you.

but to the question, I voted no. I am really surprised at how high expectations were for this team. I am disappointed at our current record but only because I felt we lost some games in the fourth, that we could have won but that's on FO for not being able to bring in star players.

The point is that we have much better players this year than we did the past couple of years and we are on pace to win maybe 2/3 more games than last years record. It’s flat out unacceptable you me. I knew we were going to have a losing record but the talent level at the bare minimum should have us winning 29 games. This team was better than Horneceks team and he was fired for only winning 29.

When do you start to blame the players? Think everyone is falsely under the impression the NBA is like a HS squad and the coach is responsible to teach guys a system and how to play. Or like a NCAA type system in which everyone is equal. Fact is the NBA is a players league in which you run the same basic sets. If the players don't make buckets then they don't win. Coach calls a few set plays and in bounds but really only effects a game by the players he decides to play. In fairness to Fiz, that is also decided by the FO and the direction they want him to go. It's obvious the FO/Dolan wants to give these FA's most of the run and try to win. Would rather the young kids go but to blame the coach is a bit naive.

But that is part of the coach's job Hofstra. Heck, Fiz listed that as one of his goals when he took the job. I agree, the players need to step up. But I'm not confident we have a coach to put them in the best position to get them there. I know Pop isn't walking through that door, but neither is LeBron. Fix needs to do a better job of adjusting to his personnel.

What do you both suggest he do differently? Add some more PnR's? RnR type movement? If you look at all the coaches we have had since 2001. what more complex systems did they run? Did not fans complain about those as well? We have not had a winning team since 2001. Other then Woodson with Melo. And you know what most thought about those offensive schemes.

In terms of improving a players game, is that really an NBA coaches responsibility? I hear this a lot on the boards. I mean if Mitch keeps fouling 3pt shooters and not able to set proper picks, does the Head coach work on that in practices? If so, he would be a skills trainer and not a coach. Is Fiz responsible for Mitch learning a 10 foot shot? I haven't seen Mitch take a 10 foot shot in two years. One would think he has a trainer to work on that in the off season. Are we to give Fiz the credit for guys like Dotson and Frank working on their outside shots. One would think Knox has a trainer that works on a pull up game. Do agree that he has to set the tone and personality of a team and is responsible for keeping better match ups on the floor but think most fans put way too much on a coach due to frustration. And again, if guys are hitting shots at a high click, coaches look like geniuses.

Regardless, in pro sports, if you don't win you get replaced. May be 50% scapegoat but you will get replaced. A coach is also to blame if players are not responding. Obvious that Fiz is not going to last. Problem I see is that fans just don't get the fact it takes a coach a few years to develop a teams identity and is not the reason a team sucks. Specially when you look at the OBVIOUS level of talent on the roster. You would think fans would notice how 4 coaches in 5 years seems to point to another possible cause. And hate to let everyone know, with this level of talent, Pat Riley and Pop would maybe have an extra 4 wins at this juncture. Does everyone remember Larry Brown experiment and Lenny Wilkins? Possible HOF coaches that could not help bad teams either.

Great post. One thing that might be trending against Fiz, Begley pointed out that he thinks some of the guys have tuned him out. Not sure that Mike Miller or someone else on the staff gets them to tune back in.

Agree. Main reason why most coaches are fired. So called "Losing the Locker and players" When judging a coach, I always try to look at the effort level and intensity of the team. Think our effort on the defensive side has been pretty good all year. On offense I look at how many open shots an offense is able to produce. Think that this has been pretty good as well. Do feel there is lots of Isolation but once again, this is the NBA. If you look at many of the close games we have lost, it has come down to turnovers down the stretch, missed open shots and even worse bad foul shooting. Things I don't think you can put on the coach. But again, if he is losing player support, there is only one ending. Fans also need to look at what kind of direction he is getting from the FO. It seems to me, the FO is clearly pushing the narrative of winning with the FA's just added. So cant really get mad at him for not playing the younger players.

Fiz's decision making has been part of the reason why we suck. The dude started Kevin Knox at two with Trier and Dot available! That doesn't look like questionable decision making to you. How many times have Randle put in situations we know he's going to fail in? The fans know it. Fiz can't figure out after a few games? How many times have we seen the team go through offensive funks only to see one of our best offensive sparks languishing on the bench? I forget, which game, but there was time late in the fourth quarter where we needed a key defensive stop and refused to sub Frank in. Don't you think that would be the ideal time to use your best perimeter defender? It's not just the players. The dude has the smell if a bad coach.

Agree that most what was mentioned could be criticized. So if Trier or Dot started, and they played badly would it be seen as a bad coaching move? And again, if Knox plays well than its a great move. Keep in mind, Knox not Dot or Trier were starters most of the year last year. How much of Randle putting himself in bad positions is on Randle? Was there not another game in which Frank was on Walker when he hit a winning shot anyway.

Look, the point is not to defend Fiz for some of the things he has done. Or claim he is the man for the job. I wanted other coaches besides him as well. Also agree that some of what you mentioned could have been coached differently. But I am sure that we can analyze any game and any coach and come up with questionable decisions for every game ever played. My point is that just like you can't truly judge a kid like Frank after one year on a lousy team. You can't judge a coach after one year with a lousy roster. This city is the king of impatience. We have gone through 4 coaches in 5 years. For anyone to expect a coach to come in here and turn this around within one year is just not realistic. If fans really need to blame someone for the current situation and losing, how bout they start with the guy in the FO that has been in control since 2013.

I agree we should give him until All Star break. You could even convince me to give him the whole year. But the dude has not been impressive and he should be gone if this team doesn't improve. If Randle isn't following the game plan, then you give extended minutes on the bench. The coach has that power. Mismatched roster or not, we're still more talented than we were last year. I'm not high on Mills, but he really hasn't been in control since 2013. He was never the GM for more than a season. I agree that he and Perry are on thin ice, and they should go to if things continue.

For anyone to expect a coach to come in here and turn this around within one year is just not realistic.

I agree we should give him until All Star break.

LMFAO!!!!

Don't get me wrong. I think he should go. But, in fairness, we should give him every opportunity to prove his coaching is a joke. He could do something miraculous. I've seen enough, but even I agree 20 games isn't much time for anybody. Give him until All Star, promote Miller as interim if the crap show continues, and doing an earnest coaching search.

The premise of HofstraBBalls post was to point out how impatient Knick fans are....And that 1 year isn't enough. Then, you respond by saying, you agree, but then you say give him essentially 25 more games!!! LMAO!!! Your response is typical of an impatient Knick fan....

Mitchell Robinson and Julius Randle together

It is the perfect synthesis of why New York's summer spending spree yielded a team almost precisely as bad as last season's very bad one: The Knicks cannot effectively play their star free-agent acquisition with their second-most-important building block. That seems like a thing you would want to do.

Randle and Robinson share the court about 10 minutes per game. Opponents have humiliated New York by 18 points per 100 possessions in those minutes. The Knicks' offense has sputtered almost to a halt.

Robinson is a game-changing rim-runner, but he tiptoes through thickets of bodies with Randle and Frank Ntilikina also on the floor. New York's ball handlers have no actionable passing corridors:

Robinson knew this was coming -- that he would have to find other ways to contribute. He honed his jumper, and his passing from the elbows. Neither skill has yet translated to games. (Robinson has been massively impactful in non-Randle minutes.)

Randle is more versatile, but at heart he's a rim-runner too. He's at his best setting screens, rumbling into open space, and making plays in 4-on-3 situations -- a more selfish Draymond Green, basically. He cannot play that role next to Robinson.

That has left Randle to fling his body at the rim -- and into those same clusters of humans -- in hopeless one-on-one attacks. For long sequences, he resembles a video game protagonist running into a wall over and over because the human controlling him has abandoned the game (or is middle-aged).

Randle is averaging 9.8 isolations per 100 possessions, ninth most in the league, per Second Spectrum. The players above him are either multiple-time All-Stars (LeBron James, Giannis Antetokounmpo, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Leonard) or about to be (Pascal Siakam). New York has scored 0.81 points per possession anytime Randle shoots out of an isolation, or passes to a teammate who fires. Ugly.

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Randle has coughed the ball up on 15% of those plays, eighth worst among 125 players who have compiled at least 25 isolations. Randle is a decent passer, but he undoes a lot of that with turnovers. His assist-to-turnover ratio is an even one-to-one, and that is not unusual for him. Dead man walking David Fizdale yanked Randle after 21 embarrassing, out-of-control minutes in yet another awful home loss against Denver on Thursday.

The Knicks can blame this on Fizdale if they want. Firing coaches in Year 2 is what the Knicks do. He hasn't nudged them toward any stylistic identity -- on either end. Guys are in the doghouse, and then they log 30 minutes.

But this roster never made sense.