fwk00 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:The prevailing point of view from the players, if you look at Jennings, KP and Melo's comments were that management and specifically Phil, affected on court play with his antics...Charlie Rosen article and tweets didn't help cultivate an environment that leads to winning, it distracted the team...Knicks were 14-10 when all this started...

It's a very WEAK argument IMO. Phil calling for more ball movement should not cause a group of seasoned vets to fall apart!!! This is just excuse making at its worst. DO YOUR DAMNED JOB!!!
Move the ball and play some D! This is all that they had to do.

That's your narrative..They called a meeting to tell Phil they will moved away from running the triangle..Phil, according to the players, "took it well"...Until he didn't, and lashed out in the media...So you can promote your narrative, which isn't accurate...

Is this comment so bad that it should completely destroy a team???

"He can play that role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played," Jackson said. "That's a perfect spot for him, to be in that isolated position on the weak side. Because it's an overload offense and there's a weak-side man that always has an advantage if the ball is swung.

"Carmelo a lot of times wants to hold the ball longer than — we have a rule: If you hold a pass two seconds, you benefit the defense. So he has a little bit of a tendency to hold it for three, four, five seconds, and then everybody comes to a stop,” Jackson said on Tuesday. “That is one of the things we work with. But he’s adjusted to (the triangle), he knows what he can do and he’s willing to see its success.”

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/phil-jackson-carmelo-anthony-can-play-jordan-kobe-role-but-holds-ball-too-long/

Yep, it's ridiculous how overblown Phil's comments have become.melo is so soft when it comes to criticism- imagine if he'd played for JVG!

How is Melo soft on criticism??..He has played well through it and put up some spectacular numbers during the criticism..January and Feb #s were like 25 and 6...Many people have commented on this and the way he has handled the press ..It's the rest of the team that have collapsed...

How has he handled it well?! he has been crying about it all season with passive-aggressive and blatant comments all year long

Tracy McGrady on how Melo has handled Phil..

“Melo’s better than me because all that s--t that’s going on with Melo and Phil, and Phil has the arrogance to sit in the stands, at these games, and I’m playing great basketball — I’d be looking at him every trip down the court or something. Just gazing at him, like, ‘You see the s--t that I’m doing out here like every night? Nah.’” McGrady said. “Some players can play through that, others can’t. Obviously Melo is showing his mental toughness because playing in the Garden is not an easy place to play. Especially for Melo there. And he’s been doing his thing lately.”

MWP on how Melo has handled Phil...

World Peace said that when Jackson would say things to get under his skin during Lakers practice, he would scream profanities at the coach, who didn’t care. World Peace was impressed with how Anthony has handled this situation.

“Phil’s going to push you,” World Peace said before his Lakers faced the Knicks on Sunday night. “He’s going to see where your mind’s at. And Melo responded well. I’ve seen the comments. I like the fact that Melo didn’t back down. I like the fact that Melo did have some competitive comments and he went back at Phil. So it reminded me of when Kobe [Bryant] went back at Phil.”

Chris Broussard on how Melo has handled the situation..

CHRIS: "So why throw Carmelo Anthony under the bus? Carmelo Anthony does not deserve this. He has been the most mature person in the entire Knicks organization throughout this whole ordeal. Can you imagine having to go out there and having to play, or perform at any job, when you know your bosses want to get rid of you?

"And he's still going out there and playing good basketball, still putting on the professional face, when after every game, and every practice, he has to face the media and answer these questions.

"And Phil Jackson is running from the media. Has not spoken to the New York media since September. And he's speaking to different members of the national media in the background, in the weeds, having them plant this stuff, apparently. It appears that way."

I can find at least a dozen more...You aren't being honest with your comments...You first inclination, as many on this board, is to protect and support Phil...

Excuse me for a moment. WHO SIGNED Melo's contract? Are you saying Melo wasn't aware of who Phil was or how he operated? Well, hell, if Melo was ambivalent about it, why ask for the NTC?

So Melo gets paid multi-millions to put up empty stats, disappear in the fourth quarter, knock on his head when he makes a basket AND YOU WANT ME TO FEEL SORRY FOR THIS GUY?

Crack addicts make more sense.

We can debate many things here but first you have to make some sense...Firstly nothing you have said addressed what I said...What does Melo's NTC have to do with how he handles the situation??..I never asked you to feel sorry for him....If you want to get something off your chest then have at it...

Melo put himself in the situation by signing a superstar contract that included a NTC that he insisted upon. The NTC means for better or worse. It also means a commitment above and beyond just showing up and putting up numbers. He was hired to win.

I don't give a rat's arse about how Melo "handles the situation". Melo can go home, fill his tub with thousand dollar bills and take a bath in them to relieve his stress - the coaches and administrators who recommended his signing cannot.

The media creates a bull**** coupling of Rosen's observations as Phil's manifesto and Melo is "handling a situation". What situation. All he has to say is its bullSh@t. I trust Phil. End of situation.

The media decides a tweet is a personal attack - Melo makes it a "situation". He has to answer questions about a tweet that compares his obvious lack of productivity to another player who disappointed. BFD. Does Melo think he was fooling the fans by being offended? These forums were full of the same stuff for years.

Only Melo is surprised. "They think I'm underachieving! D'oh!"

What will snap this guy out of it? Mental floss?

You are either Phil's publicist or his certified Apologist...Let look at your first paragraph and make the proper adjustments...

PHIL put himself in the situation by signing a superstar contract that included a NTC that he insisted upon. The NTC means for better or worse. PHIL's job also means a commitment above and beyond just showing up. PHIL was hired to win.

The rest of the league says Phil is easily the laziest GM bar none...He can't be found..Phil surrogate Rosen attacks Melo in the media and somehow you think it's Melo's responsibility to defend Phil in the media and lay cover..You and Phil are delusional...

It is not Melo's job to lay cover for Phil when he screws up...It is not Melo's responsibility to "win" despite all of Phil's horrible trades and signings...Melo is 1 of 15 players on the roster...Melo didn't dictate style of play..Melo didn't hire a coach who does not emphasis defense...He didn't hire a coach with no experience...He didn't put Rambis, one of the worst coaches in the history of the NBA to teach the team the triangle...

You are lost, unplug yourself from defending Phil at all cost and look at the entire situation..Both have to go...Phil succeeded in taking down Melo but also took down himself...Phil has been exposed...There is no way both can return next year...Phil's ego is so huge, he can't own up to his own shortcomings, truly shocking...Of all the things I thought about Phil, Mr. Zen, I really didn't see that one coming...What a small man...

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

nyknickzingis wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

So true.
Melo is not a good fit for rebuilding team.
We have two really good draft picks in KP and Willy. Both were outstanding rookies and look like core players.
We have another major pick coming soon.
Lets focus on that and seeing what the team can look like next year.

We also have some good backups worth keeping like Baker, Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee etc.
Trade Melo for some rebuilding blocks, draft well, and use the cap money wisely and not on over the hill declining veteran players.

I dont think you get it. The posters complaining about Phil are soooooo past Melo fitting or not fitting. We know he needs to move on. We know arguing that it was not his fault alone, is useless as its all personal opinion. It's also not about KP or WIlly. Both who are good guys. Its about the KNICKS! And the fact many dont see what we see. Phil is not the guy to construct a rebuild. The Lakers knew this. Some that played for him knew this. And we should now know this based on how he has carried himself and the choices he has made. From hiring coaches that he can control. (Not best available) To trading for guys that fit his style. (Not young rebuild guys) To being 30 years too old to be they guy who is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, we have seen all this before. And know that in two years we will be resetting all over again with a new GM and new system. A reset that will take a lot of work to fix. A reset, I feel, will add even more time to our dysfunction.

But I am over this as well. Hope we make some decent picks and we can at least have a young core when Phil hits the road. Thank goodness for Gaines for scouting Spain and JH for liking Baker.

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the **** are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the **** are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

fwk00 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

So true.
Melo is not a good fit for rebuilding team.
We have two really good draft picks in KP and Willy. Both were outstanding rookies and look like core players.
We have another major pick coming soon.
Lets focus on that and seeing what the team can look like next year.

We also have some good backups worth keeping like Baker, Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee etc.
Trade Melo for some rebuilding blocks, draft well, and use the cap money wisely and not on over the hill declining veteran players.

I dont think you get it. The posters complaining about Phil are soooooo past Melo fitting or not fitting. We know he needs to move on. We know arguing that it was not his fault alone, is useless as its all personal opinion. It's also not about KP or WIlly. Both who are good guys. Its about the KNICKS! And the fact many dont see what we see. Phil is not the guy to construct a rebuild. The Lakers knew this. Some that played for him knew this. And we should now know this based on how he has carried himself and the choices he has made. From hiring coaches that he can control. (Not best available) To trading for guys that fit his style. (Not young rebuild guys) To being 30 years too old to be they guy who is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, we have seen all this before. And know that in two years we will be resetting all over again with a new GM and new system. A reset that will take a lot of work to fix. A reset, I feel, will add even more time to our dysfunction.

But I am over this as well. Hope we make some decent picks and we can at least have a young core when Phil hits the road. Thank goodness for Gaines for scouting Spain and JH for liking Baker.

Do some of you have trouble reading English? Phil is NOT THE GM, never was. Never will be.

Thankfully you're past sMelo.

What organization hires coaches they can't control. Coaches that can just go rogue? Name a team.

Guys that fit his style are long, athletic, and have basketball smarts - GEE, what a drag.

We have NOT seen this before. Phil isn't just here to build a team that will win some games, he's here to build an organization like the Spurs that has consistency, excellence, and self-sufficiency. When Phil leaves there will not be chaos nor will the organization collapse. He's put professionals in key positions to ensure long-term success.

But please keep complaining about his GM skills. Ridiculous.

holfresh wrote:Comical watching the contortions fans go through to appease Phil's antics...One fan actually asked which organization doesn't have control of their coaches...Wow...

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

So true.
Melo is not a good fit for rebuilding team.
We have two really good draft picks in KP and Willy. Both were outstanding rookies and look like core players.
We have another major pick coming soon.
Lets focus on that and seeing what the team can look like next year.

We also have some good backups worth keeping like Baker, Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee etc.
Trade Melo for some rebuilding blocks, draft well, and use the cap money wisely and not on over the hill declining veteran players.

I dont think you get it. The posters complaining about Phil are soooooo past Melo fitting or not fitting. We know he needs to move on. We know arguing that it was not his fault alone, is useless as its all personal opinion. It's also not about KP or WIlly. Both who are good guys. Its about the KNICKS! And the fact many dont see what we see. Phil is not the guy to construct a rebuild. The Lakers knew this. Some that played for him knew this. And we should now know this based on how he has carried himself and the choices he has made. From hiring coaches that he can control. (Not best available) To trading for guys that fit his style. (Not young rebuild guys) To being 30 years too old to be they guy who is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, we have seen all this before. And know that in two years we will be resetting all over again with a new GM and new system. A reset that will take a lot of work to fix. A reset, I feel, will add even more time to our dysfunction.

But I am over this as well. Hope we make some decent picks and we can at least have a young core when Phil hits the road. Thank goodness for Gaines for scouting Spain and JH for liking Baker.

I think your taking some liberties with some of the concepts. "Lakers Knew this"? You talking about the 3rd return of PHil when they hired MDA instead? MDA did not succeed, maybe PHil would have done better.
Buss family as we have seen recently is a bit disfunctional and everytime you bring PHil back to the lakers his ego and power grew. Jimmy Buss could not do it, especially with him being at odds with Jeannie.
Funny, Magic (that nutty kind of guy) is on record tweeting that lakes should have hired PHil a few years back to run the team.

I assume you think once phil is gone the team will depart from the Triangle and we are just wasteing our time. If so, then we'll just have to see on that one.