martin wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

magicTs wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!

It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a ****ing meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be **** for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.

It kills me that teams like the Lakers have already benched all their vets to "get a look at" their young players aka tank, yet we're pointlessly trying to save face.

Everyone knows we're also trying to move Melo, yet we're playing him big minutes and are running the possibility of destroying his trade value if he gets injured. Then we'll really be stuck with him, which is an evem worse alternative than keeping him around and hindering the growth of our youth. I swear, none of what we're doing makes sense!

As for Phil, we could havs bought the entire OKC front office for his annual salary alone. I think Presti only makes $5 million per and we know all his assistants probably don't come close to a fifth of that salary wise. Just imagine how much better our franchise would be run with a competent team like that one...yet we've opted for a significantly worse alternative at nearly double the price!

Presti's entire game has been about the draft. He got Durant (and lost him because he could put together a winner) and Westbrook through the draft. Harden as well.

Presti is better than Phil. No doubt.

But tell me what Presti does with 1 lottery pick (1 first rounder) to work in 3 years. Please tell me this great plan Presti did in Seattle/OKC where he made them a winner without drafting superstar talent in the draft.

and let's put this into perspective: Presti LOST Durant, traded away Ibaka for not very much and also traded Harden for nada.

How did Presti lose Durant? He built a roster around him that was one game away from advancing to the Finals, for the 2nd time in 7 years!

Serge Ibaka had been terrible for much of the year, yet Presti managed to get one of the better perimeter defenders in the league and a lottery pick for him. That was a major win for OKC, especially since all ORL- who gave up on Ibaka after a couple months- could get for him was an inferior perimeter player and inferior pick by comparison.

And moving Harden was not Presti's choice. He would've kept him had management not been cheapskates and been willing to pay the luxury tax. And the trade they made involving Harden got them Steve Adams back, who is one of the better big men in the league. What was a better alternative in retrospect?

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Hard to comprehend that Minny picked Rubio, Lawson and Flynn ahead of Steph Curry. But that is the gist of hindsight! And Phil got to make 1 pick in 3 years, and they made it count.

Lawson was picked in the late teens but I get your point. David Kahn was a jackass...and I'm not goo sure that Phil isn't too far behind.

Nothing Phil did or can do will come close to this -

They flipped Lawson for a draft pick.
Drafted Luke Babbit and traded him and Ryan Gomes for Martell Webster - Multiple surgeries later they released Webster.
Then they made a 47MM offer to Batum and later realized they didn't have enough cap space to make good on the offer.
To make cap room the bought out Webster and Darko(yeah that Darko). Then Portland matched their offer for Batum!!
Then they signed Brandon Roy out of retirement - he played 5 games and retired again

Remember Johnny Flynn? (I mean how many people have a Y and two Ns in both their first and last names???)
They traded him and the rights to donatas Montiejunas for the rights to Mirotic and Parsosns to teh Rockets.
Then sold Parsons BACK to the Rockets!!!!!

I SWEAR YOU CAN"T MAKE THIS STUFF UP

Kahn is no doubt worse but I also think he's had more of an opportunity to demonstrate how bad he is. Let's not forget that "our" guy traded away one of the best big men in the league (Tyson Chandler), whose style of play was en vogue, for one of the worst contracts in the league (Jose Calderon)...who would later require an asset to get rid of (Robin Lopez). "Our guy" is also the guy that picked someone like Cleanthony Early ahead of future superstar prospect Nikola Jokic. "Our guy" is the guy that gave Joakim Noah the 2nd worst contract in the league behind Chandler Parsons. "Our guy" is the guy that gave away assets for a one-year rental of Derrick Rose that most in the league knew was a terrible gamble from jumpstreet. If not for Kristaps Porzingis- who wouldn't have been picked had Okafor or Russell been available- Phil's tenure here would be considered an unmitigated disaster. I hope we get rid of him ASAP.

Chandler and Melo couldn't stand each other and Chandler had to be traded when the rest of the league knew we couldn't bring him back. Spin that anyway you want but nothing any GM can do when trading with their hands tied behind their back. And one of the best big men - thing is a bit of a stretch, he could barely stay on the floor.

Second Round picks are what they are. Some you hit some you miss

Joakim Noah was a horrible contract, so was Melo and the NTC

Derrick Rose was a rental to appease Melo - In fact Melo clearly said he was happy with our off season moves (Rose and Noah) and new coach. In the off season Melo asked Phil to upgrade the PG position - He did that with Rose/Jennings - It wasn't a terrible gambit at all - it was high risk - high reward scenario that did not pan out

What I like about Phil's tenure is that he hasn't mortgaged our first round draft picks to go on some wild goose chase starfukking scheme

I am perfectly comfortable with risk taking and don't expect them to always pan out. In fact I am perfectly ok with multiple small losses (like Rolo, Grant, Rose) to land a few big ones (KP, Willy(TBD))

By itself I did not like the Rolo for Rose trade, still don't. But he was trying to put a win now team together. It's not like elite PGs are available via trade. Whatever "star" you get will have baggage unless you are an established championship contender before you trade for the star.

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Hard to comprehend that Minny picked Rubio, Lawson and Flynn ahead of Steph Curry. But that is the gist of hindsight! And Phil got to make 1 pick in 3 years, and they made it count.

Lawson was picked in the late teens but I get your point. David Kahn was a jackass...and I'm not goo sure that Phil isn't too far behind.

Nothing Phil did or can do will come close to this -

They flipped Lawson for a draft pick.
Drafted Luke Babbit and traded him and Ryan Gomes for Martell Webster - Multiple surgeries later they released Webster.
Then they made a 47MM offer to Batum and later realized they didn't have enough cap space to make good on the offer.
To make cap room the bought out Webster and Darko(yeah that Darko). Then Portland matched their offer for Batum!!
Then they signed Brandon Roy out of retirement - he played 5 games and retired again

Remember Johnny Flynn? (I mean how many people have a Y and two Ns in both their first and last names???)
They traded him and the rights to donatas Montiejunas for the rights to Mirotic and Parsosns to teh Rockets.
Then sold Parsons BACK to the Rockets!!!!!

I SWEAR YOU CAN"T MAKE THIS STUFF UP

Kahn is no doubt worse but I also think he's had more of an opportunity to demonstrate how bad he is. Let's not forget that "our" guy traded away one of the best big men in the league (Tyson Chandler), whose style of play was en vogue, for one of the worst contracts in the league (Jose Calderon)...who would later require an asset to get rid of (Robin Lopez). "Our guy" is also the guy that picked someone like Cleanthony Early ahead of future superstar prospect Nikola Jokic. "Our guy" is the guy that gave Joakim Noah the 2nd worst contract in the league behind Chandler Parsons. "Our guy" is the guy that gave away assets for a one-year rental of Derrick Rose that most in the league knew was a terrible gamble from jumpstreet. If not for Kristaps Porzingis- who wouldn't have been picked had Okafor or Russell been available- Phil's tenure here would be considered an unmitigated disaster. I hope we get rid of him ASAP.

Chandler and Melo couldn't stand each other and Chandler had to be traded when the rest of the league knew we couldn't bring him back. Spin that anyway you want but nothing any GM can do when trading with their hands tied behind their back. And one of the best big men - thing is a bit of a stretch, he could barely stay on the floor.

Second Round picks are what they are. Some you hit some you miss

Joakim Noah was a horrible contract, so was Melo and the NTC

Derrick Rose was a rental to appease Melo - In fact Melo clearly said he was happy with our off season moves (Rose and Noah) and new coach. In the off season Melo asked Phil to upgrade the PG position - He did that with Rose/Jennings - It wasn't a terrible gambit at all - it was high risk - high reward scenario that did not pan out

What I like about Phil's tenure is that he hasn't mortgaged our first round draft picks to go on some wild goose chase starfukking scheme

I am perfectly comfortable with risk taking and don't expect them to always pan out. In fact I am perfectly ok with multiple small losses (like Rolo, Grant, Rose) to land a few big ones (KP, Willy(TBD))

By itself I did not like the Rolo for Rose trade, still don't. But he was trying to put a win now team together. It's not like elite PGs are available via trade. Whatever "star" you get will have baggage unless you are an established championship contender before you trade for the star.

Who cares if Melo and Tyson didn't get along? You think everyone on other teams are BFF? Chandler might have been flu-prone but I wouldn't go so far as to call him injury-prone. Even if he was, in a league where Omer Asik got moved that same offseason for a first round pick, you don't think a guy one year removed from DPOY-honors couldn't do better than a Jose Calderon package and no picks of consequence?

As for Rose, they guy missed two recent, full seasons and significant portions of others. Factor in a looming sexual assault case and you still think this was a guy that couldn't be acquired as a contract dump, especially with the Bulls uninterested in re-signing him? For the record, I don't mind a gamble and would've rolled the dice on Derrick Rose in a vaccuum....I just don't bet the house on a dumb gamble. And yet the Knicks, epitomized under the Jackson tenure, does it time and again.

The mock draft has us picking Monk at 7th.
Briggy should be having a wet dream.

magicTs wrote:Good news: Dallas wins and moves 2 games ahead and Portland wins and moves 3 games ahead.

Bad news: Charlotte lose again and remain just 2 ahead, Wolves lose and remain just 1 ahead and NOP lose and are tied.

Hoping Sacramento win at Phoenix but down 7 early in the 2nd.

Damn Kings are the problem. They better get it going so we can move ahead of them

90sKnicks wrote:Charlotte's tank job has been impressive. Wasn't this team like the 5th seed back in late January?

I have no confidence in the Kings. We are not finishing below them. Hopefully Minnesota and New Orleans play above .500 the rest of the season

Well the Kings just won to move level with us 27-41.

nixluva wrote:

magicTs wrote:

90sKnicks wrote:Charlotte's tank job has been impressive. Wasn't this team like the 5th seed back in late January?

I have no confidence in the Kings. We are not finishing below them. Hopefully Minnesota and New Orleans play above .500 the rest of the season

Well the Kings just won to move level with us 27-41.

Kings have been playing well enough to win lately. I've been watching their games and tho they still stink they have been able to get a couple of wins and hopefully they can gain some confidence and win a few more.

Was looking at their schedule and though I can't see them win any of the next 4 or 5 they still have to play Dallas, the Lakers, the Suns again, the Bucks and Wolves. I can definitely see them win 3 or 4 and I am praying the Knicks do nothing stupid in terms of winning further games like last nights fiasco.

NardDogNation wrote:

magicTs wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!

It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a ****ing meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be **** for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.

It kills me that teams like the Lakers have already benched all their vets to "get a look at" their young players aka tank, yet we're pointlessly trying to save face.

Everyone knows we're also trying to move Melo, yet we're playing him big minutes and are running the possibility of destroying his trade value if he gets injured. Then we'll really be stuck with him, which is an evem worse alternative than keeping him around and hindering the growth of our youth. I swear, none of what we're doing makes sense!

As for Phil, we could havs bought the entire OKC front office for his annual salary alone. I think Presti only makes $5 million per and we know all his assistants probably don't come close to a fifth of that salary wise. Just imagine how much better our franchise would be run with a competent team like that one...yet we've opted for a significantly worse alternative at nearly double the price!

That's Jim Dolan for ya. Entitled trust fund kids don't know the value of money. Dolan is all ego, no brains. As long as the team makes a profit.

Fucking tool.

Moonangie wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:We still have a 15% chance of being a top 3 pick
http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

The mock draft has us picking Monk at 7th.
Briggy should be having a wet dream.

I SIM'd the lottery 3 times and got the top pick on the third try. So there's a tiny chance! Really, our position matters somewhat less than our luck factor with ping pong balls. It's random, so we're potentially screwed or potentially set depending on...luck.

Of course it takes luck, but it doesnt hurt to increase the odds. We can't control the pingpong balls, but we can make sure we finished 5th from the bottom and at least try to catch up with the sixers.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:The Knicks dig the stealth tank! Play the Vets! YEAH!

Sprinkle in an 0-4 west coast swing and we just might be flirting with a top 5 pick soon.

We should really try to get to 5th. We are currently at the 6th spot and only 0.5 games behind NOP and Sacramento
If we stay the at the end we would pick either 1,2 or 3 OR 6,7,8 or 9 we would not have a any shot at 4 and 5
But if we crack bottom 5, then we have a shot at picks 1-5.
The meat of the draft is at the top 7, I don't want to miss out on the 4th and 5th spots.