newyorknewyork wrote:Some interesting points raised.

First and foremost we can only attempt to stop racism by first accepting that its a reality and then holding anyone accountable who is willing to use racism for decision making. If no one has to be held accountable for racism then it will be the same old story. Or maybe we should just wait until one day everyone is 100% morally enlightened then racism will take care of itself.

That woman who was raped by the Stanford swimmer. What if I took the stance that she had the freedom to not go to college parties. That she had the freedom to not drink. That rape will one day stop when everyone decides that its morally wrong and we should just look forward to that day. She shouldn't be tooo upset since some places in the middle east the rape and molest women and children all the time. So its justified for the judge to give him such a light sentence. Or cops have the freedom to have other careers so officers getting killed on the job isn't a big deal.

In this thread there are many non African Americans attempting to speak on the experience of African Americans in America which is flawed in it self. Arkud you are of Russian decent. Have you and your friend growing up in America ever been kicked out of house parties due to Russian stereotypes instantly making you a threat? Have you ever been in a predominantly white neighborhood. Followed then stopped by the police, then asked what you were doing in said town. Then told to go back to where you came from? Have you had to have conversations with your children that they might get killed by the police because they are viewed as a bigger threat due to there skin color?

When I was around 9-10 I got into a fight with another kid who was white. I punched him a few times, He kicked me in the face with some karate kick. He decided he didn't want to fight anymore and walked away with some blood inside his cheek. And we left it at that. I was later arrested and brought to the police station. Nobody cared for my side of the story. No officers ever asked me what happen or why we fought. All that mattered was that his white mother was upset her child got into a fight. Since I was black I was instantly guilty. It couldn't just be 2 little kids had a disagreement fought it out and went there separate ways.

And that is petty stuff on my end. How many of you can identify with being arrested for fitting the description or charged with crimes you didn't commit and pressured to take plea deals with the threat of max charges.

Many urban communities have and admitted horrible education system meaning no hope for future and go through an admitted jacked up criminal system. African Americans can move out of the poor urban communities. Work two jobs in order to keep up with expenses in order to make sure there child receives a better education. This may save that one family. But none of this improves that community they left. All it does is enhance the community that was already good. Meanwhile many more other families that fail to pull this off get stuck in the cycle.

Family structure is very important and key as touched on many times. You know what destroys family structure? Throwing one out three in jail. Murdering members of households.

Immigrants can never challenge government or protest there rights they are not a threat to anyone in positions of power.

Realest post in this thread....Hope everyone takes the time to read this...

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

My prescription? Jobs and more jobs. When communities have plenty of jobs to offer, the crime rate and drug use plummets. They have tax zones to encourage growth but it would be more effective IMO to support the creation of black owned busineses by giving the same kind of loans the government has been giving to the big banks since the great recession, zero interest, to qualified candidates. End the use of how wealthy communities are determining how well schools are funded. Has to be more equitable. Wealthy communities have the tax base to properly fund schools, poor communities (of all colors) do not, even with govt help.

Rigorous psychological testing of prospective and current law enforcement should be mandatory. Something effective, while at the same time protect an officer's right to challenge any finding. I would also have a transaction tax on Wall Street to pay for much needed infrastructure improvements, education funding, and reduce military spending by at least a third (no cuts to vets) If we didnt already spend more than all the other rival powers combined, I would be more concerned about the effect of such cuts. There are many generals who say they dont need a new system, but get one expensive system after another shoved down their throats anyway. This isn't about defense. They wanted to replace the A-10 Warthog, and it took a groundwell of protest from the troops fighting overseas to stop it. Its out of control.

How realistic is job creation in the age of automation though? Technology has developed to the point that even sweat shop labor might be too high an overhead. Hell, companies like Amazon already seem to be on the verge of completely removing humans from the equation:

....all of this makes me wonder how feasible is it to bring jobs back to America. And right now, it seems so difficult to create jobs through small businesses because of how difficult it is to compete against corporations. It all makes me skeptical that taxes can be a long-term solution to achieving an appropriate balance in this respect.

But I agree completely with you on the need for a better screening process for police officers. I've known several in my life....and they've been some of the most morally bankrupt, set of morons I've encountered. One even has shot a teenager in the back and tried to make the claim that his life was in danger. There simply needs to be a higher standard for people that are given guns on behalf of the state. Was just watching a video today of how a couple, UNARMED officers from Sweden managed to de-escalate a hostile situation on the subway in a firm yet courteous manner. We need that patrolling our streets:

As for military spending, we might be able to cut 2/3 of it and still be safe from any international threat, especially when you consider that most of the top spenders are allies. However, much of the technological innovation we've seen in the private sector were once military projects funded by the public e.g. aircraft, jet engines, wireless communications, nuclear technology, etc. We need to make the need for alternative energy a matter of national security and begin making "green weapons" to help us transition off of oil. If we can do that, I could tolerate our current level of military spending. If not, cut, cut and cut.

P.S., the fact that they were trying to retire the A-10 is ridiculous especially considering the type of enemy we've been fighting. It's inexpensive and specificially designed for close air support. You'd think they'd instead try to update it instead.

arkrud wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

Be careful at what you wish for...
Look at Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.
How socialism worked out for them? Not very cool.

and Brazil. I always get a kick out of Americans wanting socialism. What ends up happening is you relinquish your freedom and give the complete control to blatantly you as citizens. I know because my cousin is one of the ones impeached and indited on charges from Brazil's latest corruption scandals. I've seen how radical far left politicians are capable of ripping off a entire country and reap the benefits first hand

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

My prescription? Jobs and more jobs. When communities have plenty of jobs to offer, the crime rate and drug use plummets. They have tax zones to encourage growth but it would be more effective IMO to support the creation of black owned busineses by giving the same kind of loans the government has been giving to the big banks since the great recession, zero interest, to qualified candidates. End the use of how wealthy communities are determining how well schools are funded. Has to be more equitable. Wealthy communities have the tax base to properly fund schools, poor communities (of all colors) do not, even with govt help.

Rigorous psychological testing of prospective and current law enforcement should be mandatory. Something effective, while at the same time protect an officer's right to challenge any finding. I would also have a transaction tax on Wall Street to pay for much needed infrastructure improvements, education funding, and reduce military spending by at least a third (no cuts to vets) If we didnt already spend more than all the other rival powers combined, I would be more concerned about the effect of such cuts. There are many generals who say they dont need a new system, but get one expensive system after another shoved down their throats anyway. This isn't about defense. They wanted to replace the A-10 Warthog, and it took a groundwell of protest from the troops fighting overseas to stop it. Its out of control.

How realistic is job creation in the age of automation though? Technology has developed to the point that even sweat shop labor might be too high an overhead. Hell, companies like Amazon already seem to be on the verge of completely removing humans from the equation:

....all of this makes me wonder how feasible is it to bring jobs back to America. And right now, it seems so difficult to create jobs through small businesses because of how difficult it is to compete against corporations. It all makes me skeptical that taxes can be a long-term solution to achieving an appropriate balance in this respect.

But I agree completely with you on the need for a better screening process for police officers. I've known several in my life....and they've been some of the most morally bankrupt, set of morons I've encountered. One even has shot a teenager in the back and tried to make the claim that his life was in danger. There simply needs to be a higher standard for people that are given guns on behalf of the state. Was just watching a video today of how a couple, UNARMED officers from Sweden managed to de-escalate a hostile situation on the subway in a firm yet courteous manner. We need that patrolling our streets:

As for military spending, we might be able to cut 2/3 of it and still be safe from any international threat, especially when you consider that most of the top spenders are allies. However, much of the technological innovation we've seen in the private sector were once military projects funded by the public e.g. aircraft, jet engines, wireless communications, nuclear technology, etc. We need to make the need for alternative energy a matter of national security and begin making "green weapons" to help us transition off of oil. If we can do that, I could tolerate our current level of military spending. If not, cut, cut and cut.

P.S., the fact that they were trying to retire the A-10 is ridiculous especially considering the type of enemy we've been fighting. It's inexpensive and specificially designed for close air support. You'd think they'd instead try to update it instead.

Communities still need doctors nurses, electricians, carpenters, cooks/chefs among other trades, and service industry jobs with a living wage. There was a program to encourage black owned construction companies to have a seat at the table, but some white business men set up shell companies that were meant to fool the govt into thinking they were black owned. Has to be serious oversight.

I remember when I was in high school (I believe) and 60 minutes had done a profile of the A-10 which I still cant find. In one part of the segment, the reporter (maybe Harry Reasoner) was asked to try to keep his eyes on the A-10 in a hilly terrain. He couldn't do it. It kept appearing from all directions.

I believe the next serious replacement for the A-10 will be a drone.

fishmike wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Great job by Melo.

These athletes though need to pool money together and find ways to put some things in place to create and fund the needed change. My suggestion would be creating businesses like supermarkets, housing, medical practices, mechanics etc.. in highly populated urban areas. Use there fame and visibility to promote the support of these specific businesses from the population. With the purpose of doing so not to make certain people rich. But to use profits to reinvest in the community and develop and fund low cost or free (if possible) private schools and after school programs. Developing children from day care to 6th grade. The police force should be highly involved with the private schools to gain familiarity with the children and families. The hope would be the the children would become that when they reach middle school level there test scores would excel and force a raise in funding for public schools. If possible though to generate enough money where private schooling could be through high school level even better. Then the hope would be to generate more educated and college ready children who can become the leaders of urban communities like mayors and police commish, judges, governors etc.. among other things.

In America we have

A majority white police force
majority white judicial demographic
majority white government
majority white Tv and news networks
Basically all real decision makers, positions of power, are majority white

Can we really expect this layout to have the best interest of blacks in America who they don't relate to over favoring who they do relate to? The results are what they are. African American children being tried as adults more then any other race for the same crimes. The African American image and history inaccurately portrayed.

Sure with enough constant fighting and some band aids will be put in place. But the truth of the matter is African Americans need to use the freedom we do have to establish our own.

That I don't have a problem with because I find men like Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Noam Choamsky and the like to represent my wellbeing and interests far better than an Alan Keyes, Allen West, Don Lemon and the rest of the coon-brigade. Our enemy is ignorance and that can come in the form of any flavor of human being.

But your overall economic plan for minorities is something I agree with. Raising socioeconomic standards is key to acquring rhe political cache necessary to influence change. And the way that starts IS by re-investing in said communities and then lobbying ($$$$$$) for our interests through politics. You ever notice how tight a politicians ass gets when someone dares suggest we cut financial aid to Isreal, a 1st world country in its own right? That **** ain't by happenstance.

Many minorities and immigrants of different races, colors and religion have been able to raise their standards of living and lessen biases and prejudices through strong family structures with values that instill respect, discipline and a strong work ethic with emphasis on education and self determination. It all starts at home. In my area, Korean, Indian, Filipino, Middle Eastern ,Eastern European and Latin minorities , both legal and illegal immigrants, sacrifice and cram their extended family units into rentals for better schools so that the next generation can do better. Many move on to advanced schooling and careers despite having little. Hurdles exist in their lives yet they neither dwell or blame white or suceessful Americans but rather work towards advancing themselves to avoid dependence. If anything, these other minorities tend to look down on a segments of America both black and white for not raising their standards as a whole and defaulting to supports. Certain social programs and nets may be necessary but they need to be embraced as tools not abused. NJ already pumps $ into inner city schools to little avail. The ideals of Teach for America are quickly crushed. Black lives DO matter and those recent videos of senseless killings of blacks are disturbing to the vast majority of whites who DO care about the sanctity of all life. Reality is some policeman have bad makeups with wrongful racism or preconceptions that result in these horrors. The other reality is that most policeman do their job fairly well in many difficult environments and that the proverbial sheeet would hit the fan without their presence in many neighborhoods. Still no excuse for what occurred. Im older and came from a generation of institutionalized racism but to deny that progress has not been made on many fronts is absurd especially to a younger generation that is caring on most causes. On a socio economic front, the goals should always be access to good education for all but all have to fully avail themselves and creation of decent jobs so all can be gainfully employed

yea.. pumping money isn't the answer. http://www.newsweek.com/did-zuckerberg-waste-100-million-newarks-schools-390855
$100mm and what did the spend most of the money on? Consultants who would decide what to spend the money on. Pretty scary stuff

Yea I live in ultra democratic Newark, New Jersey and I can assure you it was wasted money. These are the kind of promises that put these politicians in office to make vanish $100,000,000 million dollar. And it has nothing to do with cops and Donald Trump. Hillary stages her rally in front of Trump's Atlantic City casino and her supporters eat it up when in reality it was the same people who run Newark and have run Atlantic City long before Trump bailed 7yrs ago. Trump did the prudent thing getting out when he did as a businessman but leave it to a dishonest politician like Hillary to blame him all these years later.

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:

arkrud wrote:

dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

This are cool points but you will need to first amend US constitution for p1 and p2. Good luck with that.
Agree on drugs and I will legalize all of them not only pot.
If you will unreasonably tax wealthiest they will move their money outside the country or invest all of it before tax and you will get close to nothing.
If you hire police based on race % of population you are creating the new segregation environment.
What do you prefer - clean professional policeman or policemen of you own race regardless of his skills and corruption scale?
Should it be also proportional by gender, sexual orientation, religion, and political affiliation?
Why we need draft if we have enough professional solders? Better to use more robots.
Not all people need to go to army to set their brains right to became good citizens.
As per teaches we do not have enough to put in the classrooms as it is not talking about assistants.
Making classes size less will solve same purpose.
But in general it is about quality not quantity.
So ideas are cool but very naive.

Couple of thing I would propose:
1. Make permit for semiautomatic weapons very expensive - around 20K per unit. It is not useful item for civilians, just a collectible for enthusiasts. Criminals will get them if they want regardless of any laws and regulations.
2. Make changes to add mental health check and background check mandatory for every gun permit. And doctors and clerks who do the check have to be liable if person who get the gun happens to be mentally sick, on terror suspect list, of with criminal or violence history.
3. Increase minimal police compensation to 25% over national income average.
4. Introduce more non-lethal means for police enforcement - gas, dogs, robots, tranquilizes, stun-guns, etc. Discourage used of guns by police or even remove from operation except of special police units.
5. Stop corrupted practice of collecting money by local municipalities from driving violations.
6. Increase minimum mandatory compensation for teaches with special bonuses for working in pure and dangerous neighborhoods.
7. Do the above but reducing the salaries for education boards bureaucrats and reduce their stuff.

one man's idealism is another's naivete. i don't consider myself naive but as the saying goes you have to shoot for the stars in order to hit the rooftops. semi-automatic weapons have no place in the citizenry. i'd rather they be banned but i like your idea of making their cost prohibitively expensive. cash deals would come under scrutiny and credit cards would be traceable. also chris rock had a routine where the ammo becomes prohibitively expensive as well. have fun with your rapidfire dick machines but basically be vasectomied.

i don't agree with your police force representative of local populaces creating more segregation-- police officers are supposed to be peacekeepers, and that would be the case regardless of the color of the skin of those the police would be interacting with. if you want to stop white flight and segregation then you have to start looking outside law enforcement to the source of the problem: the lack of proper pre-k through grammar school money in disadvantaged black communities. even though i hate his guts, at least de blasio's platfom had this as its central idea. in other words it is not merely a "race issue" it is a "class issue."

the mandatory army aspect is not merely about training men and women to work as a team for a cause, it is meant to instill love of country and devotion to the communities from which they have come, once their term of national and civic duty is completed. if people already possess the virtues required for being good citizens then that's fine. but the army is the most straightforward way of creating good citizens, and i will stress that it would not mean an offensive army.

You either love your country or don't so I don't agree with mandatory military service. Besides wasn't the jackass who orchestrated the Dallas shooting in the Army reserves?

So the only demonstration of love for your country is by picking up a gun? And let's be real, most soldiers are soldiers because they don't have many other options for employment or skill acquistion.

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Great job by Melo.

These athletes though need to pool money together and find ways to put some things in place to create and fund the needed change. My suggestion would be creating businesses like supermarkets, housing, medical practices, mechanics etc.. in highly populated urban areas. Use there fame and visibility to promote the support of these specific businesses from the population. With the purpose of doing so not to make certain people rich. But to use profits to reinvest in the community and develop and fund low cost or free (if possible) private schools and after school programs. Developing children from day care to 6th grade. The police force should be highly involved with the private schools to gain familiarity with the children and families. The hope would be the the children would become that when they reach middle school level there test scores would excel and force a raise in funding for public schools. If possible though to generate enough money where private schooling could be through high school level even better. Then the hope would be to generate more educated and college ready children who can become the leaders of urban communities like mayors and police commish, judges, governors etc.. among other things.

In America we have

A majority white police force
majority white judicial demographic
majority white government
majority white Tv and news networks
Basically all real decision makers, positions of power, are majority white

Can we really expect this layout to have the best interest of blacks in America who they don't relate to over favoring who they do relate to? The results are what they are. African American children being tried as adults more then any other race for the same crimes. The African American image and history inaccurately portrayed.

Sure with enough constant fighting and some band aids will be put in place. But the truth of the matter is African Americans need to use the freedom we do have to establish our own.

That I don't have a problem with because I find men like Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Noam Choamsky and the like to represent my wellbeing and interests far better than an Alan Keyes, Allen West, Don Lemon and the rest of the coon-brigade. Our enemy is ignorance and that can come in the form of any flavor of human being.

But your overall economic plan for minorities is something I agree with. Raising socioeconomic standards is key to acquring rhe political cache necessary to influence change. And the way that starts IS by re-investing in said communities and then lobbying ($$$$$$) for our interests through politics. You ever notice how tight a politicians ass gets when someone dares suggest we cut financial aid to Isreal, a 1st world country in its own right? That **** ain't by happenstance.

Many minorities and immigrants of different races, colors and religion have been able to raise their standards of living and lessen biases and prejudices through strong family structures with values that instill respect, discipline and a strong work ethic with emphasis on education and self determination. It all starts at home. In my area, Korean, Indian, Filipino, Middle Eastern ,Eastern European and Latin minorities , both legal and illegal immigrants, sacrifice and cram their extended family units into rentals for better schools so that the next generation can do better. Many move on to advanced schooling and careers despite having little. Hurdles exist in their lives yet they neither dwell or blame white or suceessful Americans but rather work towards advancing themselves to avoid dependence. If anything, these other minorities tend to look down on a segments of America both black and white for not raising their standards as a whole and defaulting to supports. Certain social programs and nets may be necessary but they need to be embraced as tools not abused. NJ already pumps $ into inner city schools to little avail. The ideals of Teach for America are quickly crushed. Black lives DO matter and those recent videos of senseless killings of blacks are disturbing to the vast majority of whites who DO care about the sanctity of all life. Reality is some policeman have bad makeups with wrongful racism or preconceptions that result in these horrors. The other reality is that most policeman do their job fairly well in many difficult environments and that the proverbial sheeet would hit the fan without their presence in many neighborhoods. Still no excuse for what occurred. Im older and came from a generation of institutionalized racism but to deny that progress has not been made on many fronts is absurd especially to a younger generation that is caring on most causes. On a socio economic front, the goals should always be access to good education for all but all have to fully avail themselves and creation of decent jobs so all can be gainfully employed

yea.. pumping money isn't the answer. http://www.newsweek.com/did-zuckerberg-waste-100-million-newarks-schools-390855
$100mm and what did the spend most of the money on? Consultants who would decide what to spend the money on. Pretty scary stuff

Yea I live in ultra democratic Newark, New Jersey and I can assure you it was wasted money. These are the kind of promises that put these politicians in office to make vanish $100,000,000 million dollar. And it has nothing to do with cops and Donald Trump. Hillary stages her rally in front of Trump's Atlantic City casino and her supporters eat it up when in reality it was the same people who run Newark and have run Atlantic City long before Trump bailed 7yrs ago. Trump did the prudent thing getting out when he did as a businessman but leave it to a dishonest politician like Hillary to blame him all these years later.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/21/how_a_100m_facebook_donation_for

Im sure you've seen it firsthand, but this transcript of an interview with someone who covered the story is worth checking out.

arkrud wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Great job by Melo.

These athletes though need to pool money together and find ways to put some things in place to create and fund the needed change. My suggestion would be creating businesses like supermarkets, housing, medical practices, mechanics etc.. in highly populated urban areas. Use there fame and visibility to promote the support of these specific businesses from the population. With the purpose of doing so not to make certain people rich. But to use profits to reinvest in the community and develop and fund low cost or free (if possible) private schools and after school programs. Developing children from day care to 6th grade. The police force should be highly involved with the private schools to gain familiarity with the children and families. The hope would be the the children would become that when they reach middle school level there test scores would excel and force a raise in funding for public schools. If possible though to generate enough money where private schooling could be through high school level even better. Then the hope would be to generate more educated and college ready children who can become the leaders of urban communities like mayors and police commish, judges, governors etc.. among other things.

In America we have

A majority white police force
majority white judicial demographic
majority white government
majority white Tv and news networks
Basically all real decision makers, positions of power, are majority white

Can we really expect this layout to have the best interest of blacks in America who they don't relate to over favoring who they do relate to? The results are what they are. African American children being tried as adults more then any other race for the same crimes. The African American image and history inaccurately portrayed.

Sure with enough constant fighting and some band aids will be put in place. But the truth of the matter is African Americans need to use the freedom we do have to establish our own.

That I don't have a problem with because I find men like Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Noam Choamsky and the like to represent my wellbeing and interests far better than an Alan Keyes, Allen West, Don Lemon and the rest of the coon-brigade. Our enemy is ignorance and that can come in the form of any flavor of human being.

But your overall economic plan for minorities is something I agree with. Raising socioeconomic standards is key to acquring rhe political cache necessary to influence change. And the way that starts IS by re-investing in said communities and then lobbying ($$$$$$) for our interests through politics. You ever notice how tight a politicians ass gets when someone dares suggest we cut financial aid to Isreal, a 1st world country in its own right? That **** ain't by happenstance.

Many minorities and immigrants of different races, colors and religion have been able to raise their standards of living and lessen biases and prejudices through strong family structures with values that instill respect, discipline and a strong work ethic with emphasis on education and self determination. It all starts at home. In my area, Korean, Indian, Filipino, Middle Eastern ,Eastern European and Latin minorities , both legal and illegal immigrants, sacrifice and cram their extended family units into rentals for better schools so that the next generation can do better. Many move on to advanced schooling and careers despite having little. Hurdles exist in their lives yet they neither dwell or blame white or suceessful Americans but rather work towards advancing themselves to avoid dependence. If anything, these other minorities tend to look down on a segments of America both black and white for not raising their standards as a whole and defaulting to supports. Certain social programs and nets may be necessary but they need to be embraced as tools not abused. NJ already pumps $ into inner city schools to little avail. The ideals of Teach for America are quickly crushed. Black lives DO matter and those recent videos of senseless killings of blacks are disturbing to the vast majority of whites who DO care about the sanctity of all life. Reality is some policeman have bad makeups with wrongful racism or preconceptions that result in these horrors. The other reality is that most policeman do their job fairly well in many difficult environments and that the proverbial sheeet would hit the fan without their presence in many neighborhoods. Still no excuse for what occurred. Im older and came from a generation of institutionalized racism but to deny that progress has not been made on many fronts is absurd especially to a younger generation that is caring on most causes. On a socio economic front, the goals should always be access to good education for all but all have to fully avail themselves and creation of decent jobs so all can be gainfully employed

This... Very well said.

I am 20 years in US and came with 5K $ in my pocket with my wife and son.
Now we are upper middle class family and used no help from government except of 6 moths initial support for housing, food, and language education. We are just working class and already paid more that million dollars in taxes collectively to contribute for the country and help others who came after us.
The solution is simple - to get help don't vine, start helping yourself and others and help will come back to you.
I understand what police officers are facing every day and try to make their job easier when have to interact with them.
Absolute majority of them are good caring people but stressed and tired from their life experiences. This must be understood.
There are a lot of people in US who need help but this help should be given in a way it will not corrupt.
People in need should be helped to help them-self and even start helping others.
This is not easy but worth trying.

yea very good post and great discussion in this thread in general. I've come across people from every walks of life who've achieved success the same principles and fundamentals. Unfortunately people are no longer held accountable for their actions and how they are perceived. It's always someone else's fault. There are plenty of examples of being growing up under unfathomable conditions and making the most out of it. Our leaders need to do a better job of acknowledging and promoting the positive contributors to society and their solid principles.

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Great job by Melo.

These athletes though need to pool money together and find ways to put some things in place to create and fund the needed change. My suggestion would be creating businesses like supermarkets, housing, medical practices, mechanics etc.. in highly populated urban areas. Use there fame and visibility to promote the support of these specific businesses from the population. With the purpose of doing so not to make certain people rich. But to use profits to reinvest in the community and develop and fund low cost or free (if possible) private schools and after school programs. Developing children from day care to 6th grade. The police force should be highly involved with the private schools to gain familiarity with the children and families. The hope would be the the children would become that when they reach middle school level there test scores would excel and force a raise in funding for public schools. If possible though to generate enough money where private schooling could be through high school level even better. Then the hope would be to generate more educated and college ready children who can become the leaders of urban communities like mayors and police commish, judges, governors etc.. among other things.

In America we have

A majority white police force
majority white judicial demographic
majority white government
majority white Tv and news networks
Basically all real decision makers, positions of power, are majority white

Can we really expect this layout to have the best interest of blacks in America who they don't relate to over favoring who they do relate to? The results are what they are. African American children being tried as adults more then any other race for the same crimes. The African American image and history inaccurately portrayed.

Sure with enough constant fighting and some band aids will be put in place. But the truth of the matter is African Americans need to use the freedom we do have to establish our own.

That I don't have a problem with because I find men like Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Noam Choamsky and the like to represent my wellbeing and interests far better than an Alan Keyes, Allen West, Don Lemon and the rest of the coon-brigade. Our enemy is ignorance and that can come in the form of any flavor of human being.

But your overall economic plan for minorities is something I agree with. Raising socioeconomic standards is key to acquring rhe political cache necessary to influence change. And the way that starts IS by re-investing in said communities and then lobbying ($$$$$$) for our interests through politics. You ever notice how tight a politicians ass gets when someone dares suggest we cut financial aid to Isreal, a 1st world country in its own right? That **** ain't by happenstance.

Many minorities and immigrants of different races, colors and religion have been able to raise their standards of living and lessen biases and prejudices through strong family structures with values that instill respect, discipline and a strong work ethic with emphasis on education and self determination. It all starts at home. In my area, Korean, Indian, Filipino, Middle Eastern ,Eastern European and Latin minorities , both legal and illegal immigrants, sacrifice and cram their extended family units into rentals for better schools so that the next generation can do better. Many move on to advanced schooling and careers despite having little. Hurdles exist in their lives yet they neither dwell or blame white or suceessful Americans but rather work towards advancing themselves to avoid dependence. If anything, these other minorities tend to look down on a segments of America both black and white for not raising their standards as a whole and defaulting to supports. Certain social programs and nets may be necessary but they need to be embraced as tools not abused. NJ already pumps $ into inner city schools to little avail. The ideals of Teach for America are quickly crushed. Black lives DO matter and those recent videos of senseless killings of blacks are disturbing to the vast majority of whites who DO care about the sanctity of all life. Reality is some policeman have bad makeups with wrongful racism or preconceptions that result in these horrors. The other reality is that most policeman do their job fairly well in many difficult environments and that the proverbial sheeet would hit the fan without their presence in many neighborhoods. Still no excuse for what occurred. Im older and came from a generation of institutionalized racism but to deny that progress has not been made on many fronts is absurd especially to a younger generation that is caring on most causes. On a socio economic front, the goals should always be access to good education for all but all have to fully avail themselves and creation of decent jobs so all can be gainfully employed

yea.. pumping money isn't the answer. http://www.newsweek.com/did-zuckerberg-waste-100-million-newarks-schools-390855
$100mm and what did the spend most of the money on? Consultants who would decide what to spend the money on. Pretty scary stuff

Yea I live in ultra democratic Newark, New Jersey and I can assure you it was wasted money. These are the kind of promises that put these politicians in office to make vanish $100,000,000 million dollar. And it has nothing to do with cops and Donald Trump. Hillary stages her rally in front of Trump's Atlantic City casino and her supporters eat it up when in reality it was the same people who run Newark and have run Atlantic City long before Trump bailed 7yrs ago. Trump did the prudent thing getting out when he did as a businessman but leave it to a dishonest politician like Hillary to blame him all these years later.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/21/how_a_100m_facebook_donation_for

Im sure you've seen it firsthand, but this transcript of an interview with someone who covered the story is worth checking out.