newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The worst kind of fan is the one that tries to tell others what constitutes true fandom or how to properly root for your team.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The hate problems that people have goes way beyond being a knick fan......Don't waste your time trying to fix people that aren't fixable.....Some people will go into their grave hating everything that walks. Some people only see the glass half empty. So they will always find something to complain about. I know this as a fact, because I was that type, until I woke up and realized that same glass is also half full.

newyorker4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Does no triangle signal the end of New-Melo, Team-Melo, Dad-Melo or whatever you guys were calling him? Does this signal the end of the Phil Jackson experiment, the rebirth of Mills and dare I say it the return of Isiah & the 2 guard offense?

You knows but does this mean Melo has now become Jedi/Zen-Melo for getting Phil to do a real search?

I think Phil was forced into the "search"

He wanted Rambis and the power to be more hands on. Melo made it clear to Dolan he wasn't about that. Dolan/Mills forced the search Phil reluctantly went searching. Interviewed Vogel, Blatt with no intention of hiring them but went through the motions to please his bosses with every intention on reverting to Rambis. He never made a legitimate push for Vogel or Blatt. His presentation and plan wasn't convincing to them. They said thanks but no thanks and sought greener passages. Then Phil said FUCK it, FUCK you all and hired his nemesis protege. Either that or he is on his way out leaving the Knicks to start from scratch with a ANOTHER system AGAIN.

Rinse
Repeat
New York Knickerbocker Basketball on MSG

OR....Phil is smart enough to realize that Rambis wasn't the right guy for the job which is why he didn't give the job to him right away. He didn't give Rambis the job with his first hire either deciding to go with a guy who's never coached in the NBA before in D.Fisher....Hmmmmmmmmmm. Phil knows what he's doing and knows that Rambis is better as an assistant than he is as a head coach. You haters can do all the assuming you want but your assumptions are meaningless.

Phil during his last press conference stated how the team fell apart. Brought up examples of Boston and other teams hitting rough patches but we're able to fight through it while the Knicks weren't able to. Said he wanted to prioritize team building, and someone he feels comfortable with. Who he can have a open line of communication with.

His coaching search most likely emphasized that type of character.

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The worst kind of fan is the one that tries to tell others what constitutes true fandom or how to properly root for your team.

This isn't Outer Space where there is no up or down and you don't have absolutes in terms of perspective. Here on planet Earth, you can have bad fans and good fans based on reasonable criteria. This is why we debate things on this forum. At some point there is a middle ground and then extremes at either end. Some of us are way out on the hyper critical, pessimistic and negative end and then others, like myself are much further in the other direction. Most are in the middle.

IMO since the very meaning of a Fan, short for Fanatic, is to be crazy for your team in a POSITIVE way. Then the fans that are optimistic and more positive leaning, are in fact more true to the nature of what it means to be a fan.

fa·nat·ic
noun
1. a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal

fanatic can have negative connotation too, it's not simply a positive meaning.

a person who is extremely interested in something, to a degree that some people find unreasonable:
a fitness/film fanatic

disapproving a person who has very extreme beliefs that may lead them to behave in unreasonable or violent ways

There's no such a good thing as a good fan or bad fan. We're all following the same team, it's a matter if we're willing to call the team out and be objective when it's warranted, rather than be blind lemmings.

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The worst kind of fan is the one that tries to tell others what constitutes true fandom or how to properly root for your team.

This isn't Outer Space where there is no up or down and you don't have absolutes in terms of perspective. Here on planet Earth, you can have bad fans and good fans based on reasonable criteria. This is why we debate things on this forum. At some point there is a middle ground and then extremes at either end. Some of us are way out on the hyper critical, pessimistic and negative end and then others, like myself are much further in the other direction. Most are in the middle.

IMO since the very meaning of a Fan, short for Fanatic, is to be crazy for your team in a POSITIVE way. Then the fans that are optimistic and more positive leaning, are in fact more true to the nature of what it means to be a fan.

fa·nat·ic
noun
1. a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal

fanatic can have negative connotation too, it's not simply a positive meaning.

a person who is extremely interested in something, to a degree that some people find unreasonable:
a fitness/film fanatic

disapproving a person who has very extreme beliefs that may lead them to behave in unreasonable or violent ways

There's no such a good thing as a good fan or bad fan. We're all following the same team, it's a matter if we're willing to call the team out and be objective when it's warranted, rather than be blind lemmings.

WTF? We're talking about SPORTS! The negative connotation has nothing to do with a lover of sports. When you think of a Fan what comes to mind? Some person wearing his team's uni or colors and smiling, cheering, tailgating, getting together with family and friends. I mean why are you talking like this is something similar to a religious Zealot who is going around burning heretics?

Face it dude you have to admit that the purist form of being a fan is not about negativity!!!

ChuckBuck wrote:

blkexec wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The hate problems that people have goes way beyond being a knick fan......Don't waste your time trying to fix people that aren't fixable.....Some people will go into their grave hating everything that walks. Some people only see the glass half empty. So they will always find something to complain about. I know this as a fact, because I was that type, until I woke up and realized that same glass is also half full.

Unwavering optimism is one thing. It's to be commended in the face of dire circumstances like the Knicks where we have absolutely nothing to root for (Except KP).

Trust in Phil, trust his resume, blah blah blah...nothing in his Knicks tenure inspires confidence. Time for a true rebuild, tear down, renovation....what does he do? He signs Melo to a max contract with a No Trade Clause.

We need cerebral triangle players that fit into what we're doing...what does he do? Trades for Sam Dalembert and Jose Calderon, one of the most useless moves in team history.

We need to get rid of angry Shumpert and Doe eyed JR Smith to cleanse the team proper...what do we get? Absolute dog shyt in return.

3 years of Phil and we still don't have an NBA backcourt....but Melo is playing the most unselfish ball of his career though! Thank God for those 32 wins! Makes missing that draft pick that much easier to stomach...

Phil has found his simpatico and his name is Horny...UH, what happened to that thing called the triangle again???

Chuck, I agree....Phil has some very questionable moves......But Phil didn't hire himself, it was Dolan that hired a rookie GM. So as any rookie on the job, there will be mistakes.

For example, if your little boy tries to walk, and he keeps falling, do you yell at him, give up on him, and just say he will never walk. He hasn't walked in a year so lets just throw him away and make another little boy and hope he can walk.

I think your attention is focused on the wrong problem. Phil is a rookie and he's still a rookie, so he will make mistakes. Dolan is no rookie, but he continues to hire GM's like Isiah and Phil with limited GM experience.

But again, what you've pointed out is correct.....Phil has made some questionable moves (glass half empty). Now try and look at the half full side and you can see this ship is moving in a direction that might be better than where we came from. Thats the only difference between you and Nix as an example. Both passionate fans with different outlooks. But Phil isn't the problem, it's Dolan. For now, it is what it is.....Knicks for life

blkexec wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

blkexec wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The hate problems that people have goes way beyond being a knick fan......Don't waste your time trying to fix people that aren't fixable.....Some people will go into their grave hating everything that walks. Some people only see the glass half empty. So they will always find something to complain about. I know this as a fact, because I was that type, until I woke up and realized that same glass is also half full.

Unwavering optimism is one thing. It's to be commended in the face of dire circumstances like the Knicks where we have absolutely nothing to root for (Except KP).

Trust in Phil, trust his resume, blah blah blah...nothing in his Knicks tenure inspires confidence. Time for a true rebuild, tear down, renovation....what does he do? He signs Melo to a max contract with a No Trade Clause.

We need cerebral triangle players that fit into what we're doing...what does he do? Trades for Sam Dalembert and Jose Calderon, one of the most useless moves in team history.

We need to get rid of angry Shumpert and Doe eyed JR Smith to cleanse the team proper...what do we get? Absolute dog shyt in return.

3 years of Phil and we still don't have an NBA backcourt....but Melo is playing the most unselfish ball of his career though! Thank God for those 32 wins! Makes missing that draft pick that much easier to stomach...

Phil has found his simpatico and his name is Horny...UH, what happened to that thing called the triangle again???

Chuck, I agree....Phil has some very questionable moves......But Phil didn't hire himself, it was Dolan that hired a rookie GM. So as any rookie on the job, there will be mistakes.

For example, if your little boy tries to walk, and he keeps falling, do you yell at him, give up on him, and just say he will never walk. He hasn't walked in a year so lets just throw him away and make another little boy and hope he can walk.

I think your attention is focused on the wrong problem. Phil is a rookie and he's still a rookie, so he will make mistakes. Dolan is no rookie, but he continues to hire GM's like Isiah and Phil with limited GM experience.

But again, what you've pointed out is correct.....Phil has made some questionable moves (glass half empty). Now try and look at the half full side and you can see this ship is moving in a direction that might be better than where we came from. Thats the only difference between you and Nix as an example. Both passionate fans with different outlooks. But Phil isn't the problem, it's Dolan. For now, it is what it is.....Knicks for life

I can dig it, blkexec. 2 sides of the same coin.

Horny hiring is over and done with (not official but probably just in the contractual stage now). I can accept the square peg in round (triangle?) hole even though it goes against Phil's overall philosophical and idealogical bball tendencies.

I'm willing to give Phil and Horny their chance if they tank proper for a top 5 pick in the 2017 draft. If Phil decides to max out Batum, Conley, Bazemore, Rondo when you have Curry, Westbrook, CP3, and Greek Freak available next summer, I will phucking lambast the shyt outta Jackson. Deservedly so.

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The worst kind of fan is the one that tries to tell others what constitutes true fandom or how to properly root for your team.

This isn't Outer Space where there is no up or down and you don't have absolutes in terms of perspective. Here on planet Earth, you can have bad fans and good fans based on reasonable criteria. This is why we debate things on this forum. At some point there is a middle ground and then extremes at either end. Some of us are way out on the hyper critical, pessimistic and negative end and then others, like myself are much further in the other direction. Most are in the middle.

IMO since the very meaning of a Fan, short for Fanatic, is to be crazy for your team in a POSITIVE way. Then the fans that are optimistic and more positive leaning, are in fact more true to the nature of what it means to be a fan.

fa·nat·ic
noun
1. a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal

fanatic can have negative connotation too, it's not simply a positive meaning.

a person who is extremely interested in something, to a degree that some people find unreasonable:
a fitness/film fanatic

disapproving a person who has very extreme beliefs that may lead them to behave in unreasonable or violent ways

There's no such a good thing as a good fan or bad fan. We're all following the same team, it's a matter if we're willing to call the team out and be objective when it's warranted, rather than be blind lemmings.

WTF? We're talking about SPORTS! The negative connotation has nothing to do with a lover of sports. When you think of a Fan what comes to mind? Some person wearing his team's uni or colors and smiling, cheering, tailgating, getting together with family and friends. I mean why are you talking like this is something similar to a religious Zealot who is going around burning heretics?

Face it dude you have to admit that the purist form of being a fan is not about negativity!!!

Is there something to scream and shout and paint our faces with 37 wins followed by 17 followed by 32 wins with no draft pick this year?

Look at reality for once. There's really only 1 thing to be excited about the team, objectively. Since we're in the hole still, only way out is to tank for a running mate for Porzingis, otherwise, we're just spinning our wheels in mediocrity.

Phil better not max anyone out this summer...just let the team play out to their 20-30 wins, and hopefully we get lucky and pick in the top 5 in the 2017 draft. With a bunch of band aid signings this summer, we'll have a real shot and landing some real players with loaded cap room for the summer of 2017 free agency.

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

blkexec wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

blkexec wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The hate problems that people have goes way beyond being a knick fan......Don't waste your time trying to fix people that aren't fixable.....Some people will go into their grave hating everything that walks. Some people only see the glass half empty. So they will always find something to complain about. I know this as a fact, because I was that type, until I woke up and realized that same glass is also half full.

Unwavering optimism is one thing. It's to be commended in the face of dire circumstances like the Knicks where we have absolutely nothing to root for (Except KP).

Trust in Phil, trust his resume, blah blah blah...nothing in his Knicks tenure inspires confidence. Time for a true rebuild, tear down, renovation....what does he do? He signs Melo to a max contract with a No Trade Clause.

We need cerebral triangle players that fit into what we're doing...what does he do? Trades for Sam Dalembert and Jose Calderon, one of the most useless moves in team history.

We need to get rid of angry Shumpert and Doe eyed JR Smith to cleanse the team proper...what do we get? Absolute dog shyt in return.

3 years of Phil and we still don't have an NBA backcourt....but Melo is playing the most unselfish ball of his career though! Thank God for those 32 wins! Makes missing that draft pick that much easier to stomach...

Phil has found his simpatico and his name is Horny...UH, what happened to that thing called the triangle again???

Chuck, I agree....Phil has some very questionable moves......But Phil didn't hire himself, it was Dolan that hired a rookie GM. So as any rookie on the job, there will be mistakes.

For example, if your little boy tries to walk, and he keeps falling, do you yell at him, give up on him, and just say he will never walk. He hasn't walked in a year so lets just throw him away and make another little boy and hope he can walk.

I think your attention is focused on the wrong problem. Phil is a rookie and he's still a rookie, so he will make mistakes. Dolan is no rookie, but he continues to hire GM's like Isiah and Phil with limited GM experience.

But again, what you've pointed out is correct.....Phil has made some questionable moves (glass half empty). Now try and look at the half full side and you can see this ship is moving in a direction that might be better than where we came from. Thats the only difference between you and Nix as an example. Both passionate fans with different outlooks. But Phil isn't the problem, it's Dolan. For now, it is what it is.....Knicks for life

I can dig it, blkexec. 2 sides of the same coin.

Horny hiring is over and done with (not official but probably just in the contractual stage now). I can accept the square peg in round (triangle?) hole even though it goes against Phil's overall philosophical and idealogical bball tendencies.

I'm willing to give Phil and Horny their chance if they tank proper for a top 5 pick in the 2017 draft. If Phil decides to max out Batum, Conley, Bazemore, Rondo when you have Curry, Westbrook, CP3, and Greek Freak available next summer, I will phucking lambast the shyt outta Jackson. Deservedly so.

What tendencies are you talking about here? Phil's offense looked different depending on the roster. Go back and look at how the Bulls played when they had Rodman or when Jordan left. You'll see some different things. Jeff's offense wasn't stagnant. Sure he used more PnR, but not to the point of distraction. The principles were very similar in that there was lots of player motion and ball movement, but just more PG heavy.

Maybe Phil wants to get more from our guards and likes what Jeff can bring. mreinman posted a very good video that breaks down what Jeff was doing in PHX.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=54330

Do the Knicks have a Rodman or Jordan caliber player on the roster? Forget the system for once, we don't have any talent except 1 guy.

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The worst kind of fan is the one that tries to tell others what constitutes true fandom or how to properly root for your team.

Well that would be your opinion but the opinion of most on here is questioning if you and some others really are Knicks fans.....but thanks for your opinion. lol

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The worst kind of fan is the one that tries to tell others what constitutes true fandom or how to properly root for your team.

This isn't Outer Space where there is no up or down and you don't have absolutes in terms of perspective. Here on planet Earth, you can have bad fans and good fans based on reasonable criteria. This is why we debate things on this forum. At some point there is a middle ground and then extremes at either end. Some of us are way out on the hyper critical, pessimistic and negative end and then others, like myself are much further in the other direction. Most are in the middle.

IMO since the very meaning of a Fan, short for Fanatic, is to be crazy for your team in a POSITIVE way. Then the fans that are optimistic and more positive leaning, are in fact more true to the nature of what it means to be a fan.

fa·nat·ic
noun
1. a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal

fanatic can have negative connotation too, it's not simply a positive meaning.

a person who is extremely interested in something, to a degree that some people find unreasonable:
a fitness/film fanatic

disapproving a person who has very extreme beliefs that may lead them to behave in unreasonable or violent ways

There's no such a good thing as a good fan or bad fan. We're all following the same team, it's a matter if we're willing to call the team out and be objective when it's warranted, rather than be blind lemmings.

That's how it is in your sad life.