newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

“I will tell you this about that triangle,’’ Billups said. “If I’m a top point guard and a free agent, I’m not going to want to be playing in that triangle. A point guard needs more pick-and-roll, more freedom. It’s going to be restrictive to my play. I think that would be a good thing — if they are opening it up a little. It’s the only way to get a point guard.’’

http://nypost.com/2016/03/06/chauncey-billups-triangle-may-bar-melo-from-getting-help-he-needs/

Billups also didn't believe that SSOL was playoff basketball, said that if a team stopped the PNR there was no backup plan, that it was to one dimensional. He didn't really buy in, or couldn't since he wasn't an uptempo PG at that point in his career. Even though it gave him the exact freedom he is talking about. He is correct that its not a preferred style for PGs obviously. In terms of freedom I believe that comes down to the player with the ball in his hands. We don't have any real playmakers at the guard position currently. Shved was able to come in last season and put up career numbers for his short stint and seemed to have all the freedom in the world because he was somewhat of a playmaker. I don't want to mention the freedom that Jordan, Pippen, Kobe had because they were obviously elite players. I think a stud guard would be given more freedom. We don't have stud guards that can impose there will so they restricted by there own talent and skill set. Not like we had a stud player who became worse due to the triangle.

Phil will probably also target a SG just as much as a PG if they are capable of being playmakers.

wasn't afflalo supposed to be a playmaker? Perhaps if phil was not stuck in the 80's he would have seen that his advanced stats were not good.

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

“I will tell you this about that triangle,’’ Billups said. “If I’m a top point guard and a free agent, I’m not going to want to be playing in that triangle. A point guard needs more pick-and-roll, more freedom. It’s going to be restrictive to my play. I think that would be a good thing — if they are opening it up a little. It’s the only way to get a point guard.’’

http://nypost.com/2016/03/06/chauncey-billups-triangle-may-bar-melo-from-getting-help-he-needs/

Billups also didn't believe that SSOL was playoff basketball, said that if a team stopped the PNR there was no backup plan, that it was to one dimensional. He didn't really buy in, or couldn't since he wasn't an uptempo PG at that point in his career. Even though it gave him the exact freedom he is talking about. He is correct that its not a preferred style for PGs obviously. In terms of freedom I believe that comes down to the player with the ball in his hands. We don't have any real playmakers at the guard position currently. Shved was able to come in last season and put up career numbers for his short stint and seemed to have all the freedom in the world because he was somewhat of a playmaker. I don't want to mention the freedom that Jordan, Pippen, Kobe had because they were obviously elite players. I think a stud guard would be given more freedom. We don't have stud guards that can impose there will so they restricted by there own talent and skill set. Not like we had a stud player who became worse due to the triangle.

Phil will probably also target a SG just as much as a PG if they are capable of being playmakers.

wasn't afflalo supposed to be a playmaker? Perhaps if phil was not stuck in the 80's he would have seen that his advanced stats were not good.

No, that was just your misread?

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

“I will tell you this about that triangle,’’ Billups said. “If I’m a top point guard and a free agent, I’m not going to want to be playing in that triangle. A point guard needs more pick-and-roll, more freedom. It’s going to be restrictive to my play. I think that would be a good thing — if they are opening it up a little. It’s the only way to get a point guard.’’

http://nypost.com/2016/03/06/chauncey-billups-triangle-may-bar-melo-from-getting-help-he-needs/

Billups also didn't believe that SSOL was playoff basketball, said that if a team stopped the PNR there was no backup plan, that it was to one dimensional. He didn't really buy in, or couldn't since he wasn't an uptempo PG at that point in his career. Even though it gave him the exact freedom he is talking about. He is correct that its not a preferred style for PGs obviously. In terms of freedom I believe that comes down to the player with the ball in his hands. We don't have any real playmakers at the guard position currently. Shved was able to come in last season and put up career numbers for his short stint and seemed to have all the freedom in the world because he was somewhat of a playmaker. I don't want to mention the freedom that Jordan, Pippen, Kobe had because they were obviously elite players. I think a stud guard would be given more freedom. We don't have stud guards that can impose there will so they restricted by there own talent and skill set. Not like we had a stud player who became worse due to the triangle.

Phil will probably also target a SG just as much as a PG if they are capable of being playmakers.

wasn't afflalo supposed to be a playmaker? Perhaps if phil was not stuck in the 80's he would have seen that his advanced stats were not good.

No, that was just your misread?

no no no .... that was never my misread - I knew what he was.

Many here (way) overrated him and had irrational expectations.

For my money, Afflalo has been exactly what I expected him to be.

I don't get why people want him to opt out. He's on a fair contract and a good fit if he opts in. I wouldn't shed too many tears if he left, but I think he's a decent piece off the bench and can handle himself as a starter.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

“I will tell you this about that triangle,’’ Billups said. “If I’m a top point guard and a free agent, I’m not going to want to be playing in that triangle. A point guard needs more pick-and-roll, more freedom. It’s going to be restrictive to my play. I think that would be a good thing — if they are opening it up a little. It’s the only way to get a point guard.’’

http://nypost.com/2016/03/06/chauncey-billups-triangle-may-bar-melo-from-getting-help-he-needs/

Billups also didn't believe that SSOL was playoff basketball, said that if a team stopped the PNR there was no backup plan, that it was to one dimensional. He didn't really buy in, or couldn't since he wasn't an uptempo PG at that point in his career. Even though it gave him the exact freedom he is talking about. He is correct that its not a preferred style for PGs obviously. In terms of freedom I believe that comes down to the player with the ball in his hands. We don't have any real playmakers at the guard position currently. Shved was able to come in last season and put up career numbers for his short stint and seemed to have all the freedom in the world because he was somewhat of a playmaker. I don't want to mention the freedom that Jordan, Pippen, Kobe had because they were obviously elite players. I think a stud guard would be given more freedom. We don't have stud guards that can impose there will so they restricted by there own talent and skill set. Not like we had a stud player who became worse due to the triangle.

Phil will probably also target a SG just as much as a PG if they are capable of being playmakers.

wasn't afflalo supposed to be a playmaker? Perhaps if phil was not stuck in the 80's he would have seen that his advanced stats were not good.

No, that was just your misread?

no no no .... that was never my misread - I knew what he was.

Many here (way) overrated him and had irrational expectations.

For my money, Afflalo has been exactly what I expected him to be.

I don't get why people want him to opt out. He's on a fair contract and a good fit if he opts in. I wouldn't shed too many tears if he left, but I think he's a decent piece off the bench and can handle himself as a starter.

yellowboy90 wrote:AA is what he is, a good 3pt shooter that lacks a well rounded offensive game. Unfortunately his defensive skills has dried up to well below average. He was always overrated as a defensive player but now he is even worse.

If the Knicks could have used the money they spent on D.Will, AA, and Lou/Lance to lock up Middleton they would've been in much better shape. Heck they should've tried to use Shump to get Middleton the year before he really blew up. Oh well, Middleton was never really available and is not the issue. AA is not the kind of player you lock up to a long deal this summer unless he takes less money for more years. I doubt that will be the case so why keep him? They should have traded him at the deadline.

So your question is why did the Knicks get a guy they could get instead of getting a guy they couldn't get? Middleton was restricted and never would've been able to leave Milwaukee, even if he wanted to... which he didn't.

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

“I will tell you this about that triangle,’’ Billups said. “If I’m a top point guard and a free agent, I’m not going to want to be playing in that triangle. A point guard needs more pick-and-roll, more freedom. It’s going to be restrictive to my play. I think that would be a good thing — if they are opening it up a little. It’s the only way to get a point guard.’’

http://nypost.com/2016/03/06/chauncey-billups-triangle-may-bar-melo-from-getting-help-he-needs/

Billups also didn't believe that SSOL was playoff basketball, said that if a team stopped the PNR there was no backup plan, that it was to one dimensional. He didn't really buy in, or couldn't since he wasn't an uptempo PG at that point in his career. Even though it gave him the exact freedom he is talking about. He is correct that its not a preferred style for PGs obviously. In terms of freedom I believe that comes down to the player with the ball in his hands. We don't have any real playmakers at the guard position currently. Shved was able to come in last season and put up career numbers for his short stint and seemed to have all the freedom in the world because he was somewhat of a playmaker. I don't want to mention the freedom that Jordan, Pippen, Kobe had because they were obviously elite players. I think a stud guard would be given more freedom. We don't have stud guards that can impose there will so they restricted by there own talent and skill set. Not like we had a stud player who became worse due to the triangle.

Phil will probably also target a SG just as much as a PG if they are capable of being playmakers.

wasn't afflalo supposed to be a playmaker? Perhaps if phil was not stuck in the 80's he would have seen that his advanced stats were not good.

Playmaker? Scorer or shooter maybe but never a playmaker. The fact that he only got a 2 yr deal shows that Phil wasn't exactly in love with him. Just a solid vet who wanted to be a Knick, working on a flexible deal.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

“I will tell you this about that triangle,’’ Billups said. “If I’m a top point guard and a free agent, I’m not going to want to be playing in that triangle. A point guard needs more pick-and-roll, more freedom. It’s going to be restrictive to my play. I think that would be a good thing — if they are opening it up a little. It’s the only way to get a point guard.’’

http://nypost.com/2016/03/06/chauncey-billups-triangle-may-bar-melo-from-getting-help-he-needs/

Billups also didn't believe that SSOL was playoff basketball, said that if a team stopped the PNR there was no backup plan, that it was to one dimensional. He didn't really buy in, or couldn't since he wasn't an uptempo PG at that point in his career. Even though it gave him the exact freedom he is talking about. He is correct that its not a preferred style for PGs obviously. In terms of freedom I believe that comes down to the player with the ball in his hands. We don't have any real playmakers at the guard position currently. Shved was able to come in last season and put up career numbers for his short stint and seemed to have all the freedom in the world because he was somewhat of a playmaker. I don't want to mention the freedom that Jordan, Pippen, Kobe had because they were obviously elite players. I think a stud guard would be given more freedom. We don't have stud guards that can impose there will so they restricted by there own talent and skill set. Not like we had a stud player who became worse due to the triangle.

Phil will probably also target a SG just as much as a PG if they are capable of being playmakers.

wasn't afflalo supposed to be a playmaker? Perhaps if phil was not stuck in the 80's he would have seen that his advanced stats were not good.

No, that was just your misread?

no no no .... that was never my misread - I knew what he was.

Many here (way) overrated him and had irrational expectations.

For my money, Afflalo has been exactly what I expected him to be.

I don't get why people want him to opt out. He's on a fair contract and a good fit if he opts in. I wouldn't shed too many tears if he left, but I think he's a decent piece off the bench and can handle himself as a starter.

yellowboy90 wrote:A stop gap solution implies that he is an short term answer for a problem but his play indicates that as a starter he is a problem because his offensive play is erratic and his defense doesn't exist. Throw in the fact that he plays alongside Calderon and you have huge issues. Phil misevaluated AA and thought he was apart of a win now team but he only contributed to the lose now culture.

Sounds like a stop gap to me....

newyorknewyork wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:A stop gap solution implies that he is an short term answer for a problem but his play indicates that as a starter he is a problem because his offensive play is erratic and his defense doesn't exist. Throw in the fact that he plays alongside Calderon and you have huge issues. Phil misevaluated AA and thought he was apart of a win now team but he only contributed to the lose now culture.

So why didn't he give him 4 yr deal and lock him up for the rest of his career?

With a cap expected to sky rocket, what sense would it make to sign any 2nd tier player for more than 2 yrs

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knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:A stop gap solution implies that he is an short term answer for a problem but his play indicates that as a starter he is a problem because his offensive play is erratic and his defense doesn't exist. Throw in the fact that he plays alongside Calderon and you have huge issues. Phil misevaluated AA and thought he was apart of a win now team but he only contributed to the lose now culture.

So why didn't he give him 4 yr deal and lock him up for the rest of his career?

With a cap expected to sky rocket, what sense would it make to sign any 2nd tier player for more than 2 yrs

Point being that AA was one of the few available options for us at SG. He wanted to be a Knick, and Phil gave him a contract worth his value rather than a long term deal. Which we would have done in the past hoping that he reclaimed his Orlando production. Don't think there were any higher expectations for AA then to be a solid vet. Robin Lopez is a contract that has expectations to it not Affalo.