CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Throwback #1
http://u16248509.onlinehome-server.com/forum/topic.asp?t=1624&page=2

Man that draft night sucked as well. I remember hearing on my way to a draft party that the Knicks were thinking about trading their pick for Dyess. Not sure if the Camby part of the trade was even out there yet.

I was at the draft and could not contain my excitement when Stern announced we drafted Nene. Then the trade announcement and the rest is history

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Throwback #1
http://u16248509.onlinehome-server.com/forum/topic.asp?t=1624&page=2

Man that draft night sucked as well. I remember hearing on my way to a draft party that the Knicks were thinking about trading their pick for Dyess. Not sure if the Camby part of the trade was even out there yet.

I was at the draft and could not contain my excitement when Stern announced we drafted Nene. Then the trade announcement and the rest is history

Wow. Can't imagine being at that draft. I was really excited for Nene also.
I did get to see Dyess live pre-injury and he was amazing.

Didn't he only play one preseason game against the Nets where Chaney played him 40mins ending his Knick career before it began?

StarksEwing1 wrote:It goes to show you how bad our organization has been at trades. As bad as the mcdyess trade was there were many that topped its stupidity

No that one takes the cake followed by the Eddy Curry trade and then The Bargnani trade

fishmike wrote:My final point on this subject is Melo is NOT a depreciating asset. His value is growing. His game is improving. His defense has improved, his playmaking/passing has improved and he's at a career high for rebounding. His salary is increasing at a rate much smaller than the cap. So if you took economics or any math you would know that as Melo's contract % of the Knicks cap DECREASES, his value INCREASES. But yea... again, that's just one guy trying to bring logic into the chat

Melo's value is depreciating. Regardless of the career high in assists and Rebounds. If his injury history goes the way it has been very few teams will want him. It's about being able to play Amare put up decent numbers but you couldn't find a team interested in him. If Melo continues this pattern how can you not call it what it is a depreciation on return. We don't even know if he will finish out the season. You know he is guaranteed to miss games.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:It goes to show you how bad our organization has been at trades. As bad as the mcdyess trade was there were many that topped its stupidity

No that one takes the cake followed by the Eddy Curry trade and then The Bargnani trade

either way there have been so many blunders. I wish we could go back and change all those terrible decisions

The Curry trade was the worst to me. We gave up a shot at LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah for Eddy frickin' Curry.

The McDyess trade was a close second. Playing him 40+ minutes in the third pre-season is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

The Bargnani trade was bad, but not the catastrophe of those first two.

We traded Nene, Camby, LMA, Noah for fricking Eddy Curry and three pre-season games of McDyess.

crzymdups wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:It goes to show you how bad our organization has been at trades. As bad as the mcdyess trade was there were many that topped its stupidity

No that one takes the cake followed by the Eddy Curry trade and then The Bargnani trade

either way there have been so many blunders. I wish we could go back and change all those terrible decisions

The Curry trade was the worst to me. We gave up a shot at LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah for Eddy frickin' Curry.

The McDyess trade was a close second. Playing him 40+ minutes in the third pre-season is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

The Bargnani trade was bad, but not the catastrophe of those first two.

We traded Nene, Camby, LMA, Noah for fricking Eddy Curry and three pre-season games of McDyess.

At least Curry played and averaged 19pts and a whopping 7rebs 1 season

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, this was another case of bidding against ourselves. Giving him $30 mil more than any other team wasn't enough?! We had to include the NTC too. Jeez.

He would of never signed without the NTC. He knows we would of shipped him somewhere awful. We should of lowered our offer once he demanded that. Honestly I think Phil believed Melo would see the light and he would be able to trade him. He underestimated his stubbornness

You could offer him 4 yrs, 96 mil with a no trade clause or 5/124 without it. Both beat any offer other teams can make. If he'd rather take an inferior offer elsewhere, then he doesn't want to be here. We've been a bad lottery team with him anyway since the signing (40 wins, 97 losses) - so I don't care if he signed elsewhere. To be clear, I would have traded him well before he became an FA but that's ancient history.

No one will give him NTC nut MSG.
NTC is something Melo want to fight for on behalf of the players.
This in his mind is his future legacy as players representative.
Unfortunately to players and fortunately for the game of basketball he himself is an example of everything wrong with NTC.

actually its everything right with the NTC. The players value is capped. Guys like Melo sacrfice money so the NBA's middle class can get paid. So the NTC at least gives the player some control over his career once they sign. Its funny.. money makes it all better right? Imagine your company tells you that you need to move to Clev or Phili because they pay you well and suck it up. Its for the best of the company. Sorry those cities suck to live and you need to move your family. These guys are humans and deserve to make the money they can earn and live where they want to live. If you have earned the right for more control than you have earned the right to exercise that control.

Knicks traded an unprotected pick for Bargs. Knicks are probably in the lottery this year and imagine they win and miss on Ben Simmons. Thats Knick's front office management. However somehow this responsibility is on Melo to "do the right thing" and let the Knicks trade him so they can restock the cupboard after years of poor management while this player carried the load night after night. That strikes you as fair? Reasonable? But its sports and Melo isnt winning here and its OUR team so he should "do the right thing" or face the venom of fans.

I find that thinking incredibly narrow minded, selfish, and having no basis in reality. Might even call it un-American.

NTC will be dual-edge sword. Using is owners will able to negotiate the players contract length and salaries down.
The players protection should be handles using insurance policy not player contracts.
Why fans need to pay with watching crappy product because of some unfortunate player health or personal issues?

America is the country of opportunity but it always was a country of accountability.
Not much later and that's why we as a country start sucking.
Everyone wants entitlements but no one want to be accountable for laziness and selfishness.
Time to stop handing free lunches for those who can use their hands and brains to earn it.
Time to stop the corruption of the minds of American people.

America is NOT a land of accountability. I love my country but it's government and economy are run by people without any accountability, only blame. Do you know why we are trillions in debt, why banks were bailed out at the same time their execs were making millions and even the ones that lost jobs had massive golden parachutes? Do you know why none of those execs has been held accountable? Because the politicians made the laws that facilitated all of it. You go after execs you go after the law makers that made it possible. You know... the ones who need millions in campaign funds (where do those come from again?) to get elected. This is why not a single politician has attacked rich and powerful for lack of accountability, they are floating the bill. The closest we can get are liberals who threaten higher taxes on the wealthy.

Easy to say "this isnt working" with Melo and suggest we need to move on. What I find laughable are the folks that suggest this is his duty. Maybe some of those folks can outline the great success the Knicks had in the 7-8 year before Melo got here? Does that period have relevance in the discussion? Why would any great player come play for an organization with a history of terrible management when they know THEY will be blamed if the ship sinks?

Melo WANTS to be here. He's one of the more respected players around the league. Kick him to the curb and just watch the elite talent lining up to come here. Phil's promise was to change the culture for the players, so guys want to come here.

That pre-Melo period (yeah, see what I did there?) never gets discussed except by the faithful who managed to leave after posting things like "At least Marbles was a true New Yorker". Or by the geniuses who fancy themselves salary cap experts and who honestly think they know exactly what Melo is worth down to the per minute level. "He's a bargain at 13 mil, an average player at 17 mil but an albatross at 24 mil..." This from people who probably have a problem balancing their own bank statements without an accountant holding their hands.

Oh don't worry, the very minute our overpaid, doesn't-want-to-win pariah is gone, we will immediately become like San Antonio in just two years.

What was his stat line again tonight? 22 points on 16 shots, 7 boards, 6 assists, 3 steals and a block. But lets hope Melo fuhucks himself over for the good of the franchise and our small contingent of Bermanese, beeyatching "fans"...

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, this was another case of bidding against ourselves. Giving him $30 mil more than any other team wasn't enough?! We had to include the NTC too. Jeez.

He would of never signed without the NTC. He knows we would of shipped him somewhere awful. We should of lowered our offer once he demanded that. Honestly I think Phil believed Melo would see the light and he would be able to trade him. He underestimated his stubbornness

You could offer him 4 yrs, 96 mil with a no trade clause or 5/124 without it. Both beat any offer other teams can make. If he'd rather take an inferior offer elsewhere, then he doesn't want to be here. We've been a bad lottery team with him anyway since the signing (40 wins, 97 losses) - so I don't care if he signed elsewhere. To be clear, I would have traded him well before he became an FA but that's ancient history.

No one will give him NTC nut MSG.
NTC is something Melo want to fight for on behalf of the players.
This in his mind is his future legacy as players representative.
Unfortunately to players and fortunately for the game of basketball he himself is an example of everything wrong with NTC.

actually its everything right with the NTC. The players value is capped. Guys like Melo sacrfice money so the NBA's middle class can get paid. So the NTC at least gives the player some control over his career once they sign. Its funny.. money makes it all better right? Imagine your company tells you that you need to move to Clev or Phili because they pay you well and suck it up. Its for the best of the company. Sorry those cities suck to live and you need to move your family. These guys are humans and deserve to make the money they can earn and live where they want to live. If you have earned the right for more control than you have earned the right to exercise that control.

Knicks traded an unprotected pick for Bargs. Knicks are probably in the lottery this year and imagine they win and miss on Ben Simmons. Thats Knick's front office management. However somehow this responsibility is on Melo to "do the right thing" and let the Knicks trade him so they can restock the cupboard after years of poor management while this player carried the load night after night. That strikes you as fair? Reasonable? But its sports and Melo isnt winning here and its OUR team so he should "do the right thing" or face the venom of fans.

I find that thinking incredibly narrow minded, selfish, and having no basis in reality. Might even call it un-American.

NTC will be dual-edge sword. Using is owners will able to negotiate the players contract length and salaries down.
The players protection should be handles using insurance policy not player contracts.
Why fans need to pay with watching crappy product because of some unfortunate player health or personal issues?

America is the country of opportunity but it always was a country of accountability.
Not much later and that's why we as a country start sucking.
Everyone wants entitlements but no one want to be accountable for laziness and selfishness.
Time to stop handing free lunches for those who can use their hands and brains to earn it.
Time to stop the corruption of the minds of American people.

America is NOT a land of accountability. I love my country but it's government and economy are run by people without any accountability, only blame. Do you know why we are trillions in debt, why banks were bailed out at the same time their execs were making millions and even the ones that lost jobs had massive golden parachutes? Do you know why none of those execs has been held accountable? Because the politicians made the laws that facilitated all of it. You go after execs you go after the law makers that made it possible. You know... the ones who need millions in campaign funds (where do those come from again?) to get elected. This is why not a single politician has attacked rich and powerful for lack of accountability, they are floating the bill. The closest we can get are liberals who threaten higher taxes on the wealthy.

Easy to say "this isnt working" with Melo and suggest we need to move on. What I find laughable are the folks that suggest this is his duty. Maybe some of those folks can outline the great success the Knicks had in the 7-8 year before Melo got here? Does that period have relevance in the discussion? Why would any great player come play for an organization with a history of terrible management when they know THEY will be blamed if the ship sinks?

Melo WANTS to be here. He's one of the more respected players around the league. Kick him to the curb and just watch the elite talent lining up to come here. Phil's promise was to change the culture for the players, so guys want to come here.

That pre-Melo period never gets discussed except by the faithful who managed to leave after posting things like "At least Marbles was a true New Yorker".

Oh don't worry, the very minute our overpaid, doesn't-want-to-win pariah is gone, we will immediately become like San Antonio in just two years.

What was his stat line again tonight? 22 points on 16 shots, 7 boards, 6 assists, 3 steals and a block. But lets hope Melo fuhucks himself over for the good of the franchise and our small contingent of Bermanese, beeyatching "fans"...

For all the money and assets Dolan put into melo he did very poor with roi. That's his big gig Carmelo and isiah although it's equaled 1 pretty good year 2 average and 12 shtty ones while outspending the rest of the nba 2-1 go to bed chief

Please try answering the pre-Melo period question, Mr. Federal Reserve Chairman. And I'm not even talking about Dolan or for the love of sheehit, IT. Nice redirection attempt though.

Mother ChuckBuck has your warm Melohate bottle all ready for you Briggs. Hurry up before it gets cold.