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11/22/2015  11:55 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

See this is how you turn a good basketball discussion into non-basketball crapola. Wanting players to change their ways and then giving him credit for showing significant signing of changing is a basketball discussion. Singling out posters who you may not agree with and attempting to rub it in their faces when you never understood the premise of the basketball arguments to begin with which were to help us get where we are today isn't basketball


The issue is that you are wrong in regards to Melo.

In a previous post in this thread you claimed that the Knicks would have won more games if Melo "bought in" to change earlier/more this season. The Knicks started playing even better this year (so far) as several things materialized.....including 1) Afflalo came back from injury and 2) Calderone started hitting shots. Most deficiencies on the court which caused losses so far were due to back court issues.

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11/22/2015  11:57 AM
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gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

See this is how you turn a good basketball discussion into non-basketball crapola. Wanting players to change their ways and then giving him credit for showing significant signing of changing is a basketball discussion. Singling out posters who you may not agree with and attempting to rub it in their faces when you never understood the premise of the basketball arguments to begin with which were to help us get where we are today isn't basketball


The issue is that you are wrong in regards to Melo.

In a previous post in this thread you claimed that the Knicks would have won more games if Melo "bought in" to change earlier/more this season. The Knicks started playing even better this year (so far) as several things materialized.....including 1) Afflalo came back from injury and 2) Calderone started hitting shots. Most deficiencies on the court which caused losses so far were due to back court issues.

no guns was actually right. Melo needed to buy in and for the most part he has done that
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11/22/2015  12:03 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

See this is how you turn a good basketball discussion into non-basketball crapola. Wanting players to change their ways and then giving him credit for showing significant signing of changing is a basketball discussion. Singling out posters who you may not agree with and attempting to rub it in their faces when you never understood the premise of the basketball arguments to begin with which were to help us get where we are today isn't basketball


The issue is that you are wrong in regards to Melo.

In a previous post in this thread you claimed that the Knicks would have won more games if Melo "bought in" to change earlier/more this season. The Knicks started playing even better this year (so far) as several things materialized.....including 1) Afflalo came back from injury and 2) Calderone started hitting shots. Most deficiencies on the court which caused losses so far were due to back court issues.

no guns was actually right. Melo needed to buy in and for the most part he has done that

Nope. Pretending that there is only one player on the floor who is responsible for everything that happens makes others on this board think you are trolling Melo.

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11/22/2015  12:05 PM
foosballnick wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

See this is how you turn a good basketball discussion into non-basketball crapola. Wanting players to change their ways and then giving him credit for showing significant signing of changing is a basketball discussion. Singling out posters who you may not agree with and attempting to rub it in their faces when you never understood the premise of the basketball arguments to begin with which were to help us get where we are today isn't basketball


The issue is that you are wrong in regards to Melo.

In a previous post in this thread you claimed that the Knicks would have won more games if Melo "bought in" to change earlier/more this season. The Knicks started playing even better this year (so far) as several things materialized.....including 1) Afflalo came back from injury and 2) Calderone started hitting shots. Most deficiencies on the court which caused losses so far were due to back court issues.

no guns was actually right. Melo needed to buy in and for the most part he has done that

Nope. Pretending that there is only one player on the floor who is responsible for everything that happens makes others on this board think you are trolling Melo.

some people are paranoid of so called melo hate that they dont realize people are PRAISING melo for buying into ball movement.
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11/22/2015  12:08 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

See this is how you turn a good basketball discussion into non-basketball crapola. Wanting players to change their ways and then giving him credit for showing significant signing of changing is a basketball discussion. Singling out posters who you may not agree with and attempting to rub it in their faces when you never understood the premise of the basketball arguments to begin with which were to help us get where we are today isn't basketball


The issue is that you are wrong in regards to Melo.

In a previous post in this thread you claimed that the Knicks would have won more games if Melo "bought in" to change earlier/more this season. The Knicks started playing even better this year (so far) as several things materialized.....including 1) Afflalo came back from injury and 2) Calderone started hitting shots. Most deficiencies on the court which caused losses so far were due to back court issues.

no guns was actually right. Melo needed to buy in and for the most part he has done that

Calderon made 8 shots in the first 6 games. The guy was shooting like Kidd just before he retired. Sasha wasn't much better.
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11/22/2015  12:10 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

See this is how you turn a good basketball discussion into non-basketball crapola. Wanting players to change their ways and then giving him credit for showing significant signing of changing is a basketball discussion. Singling out posters who you may not agree with and attempting to rub it in their faces when you never understood the premise of the basketball arguments to begin with which were to help us get where we are today isn't basketball


The issue is that you are wrong in regards to Melo.

In a previous post in this thread you claimed that the Knicks would have won more games if Melo "bought in" to change earlier/more this season. The Knicks started playing even better this year (so far) as several things materialized.....including 1) Afflalo came back from injury and 2) Calderone started hitting shots. Most deficiencies on the court which caused losses so far were due to back court issues.

no guns was actually right. Melo needed to buy in and for the most part he has done that

Calderon made 8 shots in the first 6 games. The guy was shooting like Kidd just before he retired. Sasha wasn't much better.
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11/22/2015  12:10 PM
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babyKnicks wrote:Something happened Saturday that has only occurred twice in the past 12 months: Carmelo Anthony played 25 minutes and took fewer than 11 shots. Only twice in his past 42 games has Anthony played at least 25 minutes and taken 10 or fewer shots.

On Saturday, Anthony was hampered by foul trouble. He finished with 14 points on 5-for-10 shooting. But don't let the low point total fool you. When he was on the floor, Anthony occupied defenders well and served as a decoy of sorts for the Knicks. He didn’t force many shots or overdribble -- two sins he has committed in the past.

New York outscored Houston by seven in Anthony’s 25 minutes. He was also active late in the game. He hit a 3-point shot with 2:17 to play to break a 95-95 tie and scored on a strong post move with :39 seconds to put New York up by three. (His basket with :39 seconds to go was on a goaltend.)

Porzingis had the monster night. Especially the 7 blocks to go along with yet another double double
you guys are so brainwashed to hate this player your not even aware of it. EVERYTHING involving Melo is a dick measuring contest.

Typical Melo dick measuring wank-a-thon aside, great thread. These two players clearly like and appreciate each other. They have dual inside outside games that allow either to expose a weakness on the floor and really attack it. Would anyone be suprised to see KP score ten points in a 3 minute stretch because he's got a 6-7 player on him? Or Melo to do the same?

The other gem here are the complimentary role players. Rolo next to KP is a wall of length, and where KP may be rookie and perhaps timid when it comes to physical play... Hard fouls etc, ROLO will not. Calderon is shooting well as I hoped and Galloway kills it, so we are really supporting this duo well.

Nice topic. I'm loving this team.

It's a very smartly built team. You can finally see what Phil meant when he called our last roster clumsy.

Afflalo has opened up new possibilities on offense and I think created a lot more space for Calderon to operate. I don't know the exact numbers, but I think he's averaging about 10pts and 5ast on much better shooting since Afflalo had returned, from like 5ppg and 2apg before that.

It's been mentioned a bunch that Rolo does stuff that doesn't show up in the box score, like boxing out for other guys to grab the rebounds. He also seems to know when he should pick his spots on offense - his drop step post move in the first quarter was needed as Melo was off.

Galloway has been great and should be a legit sixth man candidate.

But, yeah, the most inspiring thing has been how Porzingis and Melo complement each other and pick up the other when one is having an off night. Porzingis matched up against Anthony Davis? Melo goes off for 29 and 13. Melo double and triple teamed by Charlotte? KP goes off for 29 and 11. KP locked down a bit by Ibaka, Melo puts in a workman like 25 and 5. Melo in foul trouble against Houston and seemingly tired in the back to back, KP dominates at center against a small team and drops 24pts 14rebs and 7blks.

It's a good balance. And it's a thing good teams do. I think it involves a certain amount of awareness from Melo. Charlotte was double and triple teaming him all night and he patiently passed out all night.

KP has skill set, talent and attitude that can work with any player in the league. Battling in the paint for rebounds, paint protection, help defense, stretch the paint for space, developing post up game, constantly moves away from the ball to find openings in the the defense, shooting off the dribble.

He really takes pressure off of his teammates on both sides of the ball. Melo didn't have an assist, but every player on the team did except for 3 players and we still got 20 assist.

That's what a team is, covering for each others weaknesses and exploiting each others strengths. Melo played aggressive defense and ended up shooting efficiently from the field. Affalo didn't shoot efficiently but played good defense and contributed in many different ways.

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11/22/2015  12:12 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

See this is how you turn a good basketball discussion into non-basketball crapola. Wanting players to change their ways and then giving him credit for showing significant signing of changing is a basketball discussion. Singling out posters who you may not agree with and attempting to rub it in their faces when you never understood the premise of the basketball arguments to begin with which were to help us get where we are today isn't basketball


The issue is that you are wrong in regards to Melo.

In a previous post in this thread you claimed that the Knicks would have won more games if Melo "bought in" to change earlier/more this season. The Knicks started playing even better this year (so far) as several things materialized.....including 1) Afflalo came back from injury and 2) Calderone started hitting shots. Most deficiencies on the court which caused losses so far were due to back court issues.

no guns was actually right. Melo needed to buy in and for the most part he has done that

Calderon made 8 shots in the first 6 games. The guy was shooting like Kidd just before he retired. Sasha wasn't much better.
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Glad we agree that the back court was the cause of many of the Knicks problems early on.
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11/22/2015  12:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2015  12:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

See this is how you turn a good basketball discussion into non-basketball crapola. Wanting players to change their ways and then giving him credit for showing significant signing of changing is a basketball discussion. Singling out posters who you may not agree with and attempting to rub it in their faces when you never understood the premise of the basketball arguments to begin with which were to help us get where we are today isn't basketball


The issue is that you are wrong in regards to Melo.

In a previous post in this thread you claimed that the Knicks would have won more games if Melo "bought in" to change earlier/more this season. The Knicks started playing even better this year (so far) as several things materialized.....including 1) Afflalo came back from injury and 2) Calderone started hitting shots. Most deficiencies on the court which caused losses so far were due to back court issues.

no guns was actually right. Melo needed to buy in and for the most part he has done that

Calderon made 8 shots in the first 6 games. The guy was shooting like Kidd just before he retired. Sasha wasn't much better.
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Glad we agree that the back court was the cause of many of the Knicks problems early on.
i NEVER disagreed with that. In fact i called out calderon/sasha a lot early on
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11/22/2015  12:33 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:Actually, believe it or not, after the rough start, Calderon has been playing very well too.

The reason I don't post here at all - is because basketball posts like this are ignored in favor of people with personality issues trying to gain an audience to their weak-ass POVs.

People need to stop being so hung up on whether they were right or wrong about a trade 5 years ago, no one gives a S#!+. Stick to the present and discuss what you see, not what you said last year or 5 years ago. Page after page, thread after thread this forum has become more about insecure posters validating their own beliefs and calling each other out. Can we just stick to B A S K E T B A L L???


Am I sensing some insecurity here.

I guess you have to pick and choose the threads you look at and respond to the folks you think are making a good point worthy of responding too.

There are a lot of divisive issues surrounding this team...

Phil- rubs some folks the wrong way, and kept us from a title or two way back when

Fisher- rookie coach who was the substitute for the guy who won it all last year, and whose rotations some question

Melo- you are proof of this in some way

Drafting KP- Many nice players to choose from. The ranks of those who question this pick are getting slimmer each game, and I don't even see some of them posting now. Seems like the only question is not whether he is a good player...but how good can he become.

Hatred or love for specific players at certain times- Calderon, Thomas, Williams, Amundson, etc.

I think you can expect this type of thing with fans of a franchise that has been in the dumps for so long. I think things will calm down at some point. I might be annoyed with some posters, and some might not like me at times, but its not that hard to negotiate through all the BS and have a good discussion. Also helps if you don't take things personally, I guess. I think I've lost my temper with some posters, but I still continue to post because there is enough here to pique my interest and keep the brain cells active.

I am ok with that for most part. And I don't hide my feelings about Melo - that's not insecurity its dislike. Insecurity is when you get hung up talking about yourself and how right you are and think people actually give a damn. Yes we have been bad for ever and we are at least seeing some good sign now - more reason to focus on the present and the future instead of continuously digging up the past to sling mud at each other. And yes I use strong language at times but that's my style - It's not personal against anyone. (I mean you should see me call people out at work!)

Divisive issues make for good discussion, people obsessing over being right and wrong don't. That's all.

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11/22/2015  12:34 PM
bigbasketballs wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Uptown wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Actually, believe it or not, after the rough start, Calderon has been playing very well too.

The reason I don't post here at all - is because basketball posts like this are ignored in favor of people with personality issues trying to gain an audience to their weak-ass POVs.

People need to stop being so hung up on whether they were right or wrong about a trade 5 years ago, no one gives a S#!+. Stick to the present and discuss what you see, not what you said last year or 5 years ago. Page after page, thread after thread this forum has become more about insecure posters validating their own beliefs and calling each other out. Can we just stick to B A S K E T B A L L???

You only want to talk BASKETBALL with a name like Meloshouldgo?

Actually yes, I think when HE does go, we can get back to talking basketball again.

YOu really that delusional or is this just your schtick?

Yes, delusional, stupid, not a long time poster and any other adjectives that you want to throw at me. I don't give a flying flip about about personal attacks and lame as self validation threads here.

Not a personal attack. I don't know you personally, or even from this board. First I've ever seen a post if yours was a few moments ago.

But you just called people out for not 'just wanting to talk basketball'. When fairly pointed out what your username is, you tried to spin it as so long as Carmelo Anthony is on the team, nobody can talk basketball, which is basically declaring no basketball can ever be discussed here and every topic will devolve into the same discussion.

Strictly on the surface, that seems very un self-aware.

LOL ok, if reading my screen name leads to this level of conviction, more power to you.

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11/22/2015  12:37 PM
Uptown wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Uptown wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Actually, believe it or not, after the rough start, Calderon has been playing very well too.

The reason I don't post here at all - is because basketball posts like this are ignored in favor of people with personality issues trying to gain an audience to their weak-ass POVs.

People need to stop being so hung up on whether they were right or wrong about a trade 5 years ago, no one gives a S#!+. Stick to the present and discuss what you see, not what you said last year or 5 years ago. Page after page, thread after thread this forum has become more about insecure posters validating their own beliefs and calling each other out. Can we just stick to B A S K E T B A L L???

You only want to talk BASKETBALL with a name like Meloshouldgo?

Actually yes, and see how it took you zero time to get off topic and launch into a discussion on my user ID? That's what I am talking about. Melo needing get off this team actually IS about basketball.
Your personal attacks are not, and won't ever be.

You got off topic first trying to call people out. Second, any basketball comments you make about Melo wont be looked at as objective because of you name. Your name screams of agenda and nonobjectivity towards a certain player.

I said talk basketball - I didn't say anything about being objective. Fans are not objective for the most part, if we were all really objective NY wouldn't have any basketball fans over the last 10 years or so. . I am calling people out yes, but I didn't get off topic, as far as I could tell this thread didn't have a topic other than people being right and wrong.

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11/22/2015  12:38 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

See this is how you turn a good basketball discussion into non-basketball crapola. Wanting players to change their ways and then giving him credit for showing significant signing of changing is a basketball discussion. Singling out posters who you may not agree with and attempting to rub it in their faces when you never understood the premise of the basketball arguments to begin with which were to help us get where we are today isn't basketball


The issue is that you are wrong in regards to Melo.

In a previous post in this thread you claimed that the Knicks would have won more games if Melo "bought in" to change earlier/more this season. The Knicks started playing even better this year (so far) as several things materialized.....including 1) Afflalo came back from injury and 2) Calderone started hitting shots. Most deficiencies on the court which caused losses so far were due to back court issues.

THIS ^^^^

You are wrong, I am right.... SMH

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11/22/2015  1:03 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

Mister Earl showed up in a game thread a few days ago. Hope he is back as well.

And if I'm not mistake he explained to Martin why he hasn't been around. I may be wrong but he ls been busy. I doubt someone Earl's age who's seen so much in his life is going to be that sensitive

Not responding specifically to Earl but I was referring to guys coming back and saying they don't like the content of posts. Threads always end up at the same place. I don't think that is being sensitive. I think that is just moving on because things have changed.

What exactly has changed? The Knicks traded every single asset they had for one player. Despite one fluke year where we went for it and added high IQ veterans it had been the same ol Dolan era Knicks laughing stock basketball of the past 15years. You can't expect fans to wave the poms poms if they are not seeing positive results and forward movement and a winning culture being established. Would you say Woody/Melo ISO ball was establishing a winning culture and building a consistent playoff contender? Maybe a couple of fans left because they felt we just traded for one of the top 3 players in the game why shouldn't we all celebrate and erect statues but the results proved that it wasn't the case

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11/22/2015  1:08 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

Mister Earl showed up in a game thread a few days ago. Hope he is back as well.

And if I'm not mistake he explained to Martin why he hasn't been around. I may be wrong but he ls been busy. I doubt someone Earl's age who's seen so much in his life is going to be that sensitive

Not responding specifically to Earl but I was referring to guys coming back and saying they don't like the content of posts. Threads always end up at the same place. I don't think that is being sensitive. I think that is just moving on because things have changed.

What exactly has changed? The Knicks traded every single asset they had for one player. Despite one fluke year where we went for it and added high IQ veterans it had been the same ol Dolan era Knicks laughing stock basketball of the past 15years. You can't expect fans to wave the poms poms if they are not seeing positive results and forward movement and a winning culture being established. Would you say Woody/Melo ISO ball was establishing a winning culture and building a consistent playoff contender? Maybe a couple of fans left because they felt we just traded for one of the top 3 players in the game why shouldn't we all celebrate and erect statues but the results proved that it wasn't the case

What you just said. Everything goes back to the trade and Melo. Five years of rehashing it does get old. The summer was spent with media and fans trying to speculate about how Melo was being a bad teammate. Not much fun in my opinion.
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11/22/2015  1:13 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

Mister Earl showed up in a game thread a few days ago. Hope he is back as well.

And if I'm not mistake he explained to Martin why he hasn't been around. I may be wrong but he ls been busy. I doubt someone Earl's age who's seen so much in his life is going to be that sensitive

Not responding specifically to Earl but I was referring to guys coming back and saying they don't like the content of posts. Threads always end up at the same place. I don't think that is being sensitive. I think that is just moving on because things have changed.

What exactly has changed? The Knicks traded every single asset they had for one player. Despite one fluke year where we went for it and added high IQ veterans it had been the same ol Dolan era Knicks laughing stock basketball of the past 15years. You can't expect fans to wave the poms poms if they are not seeing positive results and forward movement and a winning culture being established. Would you say Woody/Melo ISO ball was establishing a winning culture and building a consistent playoff contender? Maybe a couple of fans left because they felt we just traded for one of the top 3 players in the game why shouldn't we all celebrate and erect statues but the results proved that it wasn't the case

What you just said. Everything goes back to the trade and Melo. Five years of rehashing it does get old. The summer was spent with media and fans trying to speculate about how Melo was being a bad teammate. Not much fun in my opinion.
truthfully melo probably earned some of the backlash, he probably would admit that. However he seems to have learned from his mistakes
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11/22/2015  1:21 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

Mister Earl showed up in a game thread a few days ago. Hope he is back as well.

And if I'm not mistake he explained to Martin why he hasn't been around. I may be wrong but he ls been busy. I doubt someone Earl's age who's seen so much in his life is going to be that sensitive

Not responding specifically to Earl but I was referring to guys coming back and saying they don't like the content of posts. Threads always end up at the same place. I don't think that is being sensitive. I think that is just moving on because things have changed.

What exactly has changed? The Knicks traded every single asset they had for one player. Despite one fluke year where we went for it and added high IQ veterans it had been the same ol Dolan era Knicks laughing stock basketball of the past 15years. You can't expect fans to wave the poms poms if they are not seeing positive results and forward movement and a winning culture being established. Would you say Woody/Melo ISO ball was establishing a winning culture and building a consistent playoff contender? Maybe a couple of fans left because they felt we just traded for one of the top 3 players in the game why shouldn't we all celebrate and erect statues but the results proved that it wasn't the case

What you just said. Everything goes back to the trade and Melo. Five years of rehashing it does get old. The summer was spent with media and fans trying to speculate about how Melo was being a bad teammate. Not much fun in my opinion.
truthfully melo probably earned some of the backlash, he probably would admit that. However he seems to have learned from his mistakes
I disagree. The Knicks haven't had money, picks or players for his entire tenure in NY. Any team that has Amare, Bargs and Tyson as two of its big three a long with their cap holds isn't going anywhere fast. Some of the guys that were big parts of Knick teams aren't in the league or don't play. Fields, Novak, and Cope come to mind but there are others.
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11/22/2015  1:25 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

Mister Earl showed up in a game thread a few days ago. Hope he is back as well.

And if I'm not mistake he explained to Martin why he hasn't been around. I may be wrong but he ls been busy. I doubt someone Earl's age who's seen so much in his life is going to be that sensitive

Not responding specifically to Earl but I was referring to guys coming back and saying they don't like the content of posts. Threads always end up at the same place. I don't think that is being sensitive. I think that is just moving on because things have changed.

What exactly has changed? The Knicks traded every single asset they had for one player. Despite one fluke year where we went for it and added high IQ veterans it had been the same ol Dolan era Knicks laughing stock basketball of the past 15years. You can't expect fans to wave the poms poms if they are not seeing positive results and forward movement and a winning culture being established. Would you say Woody/Melo ISO ball was establishing a winning culture and building a consistent playoff contender? Maybe a couple of fans left because they felt we just traded for one of the top 3 players in the game why shouldn't we all celebrate and erect statues but the results proved that it wasn't the case

What you just said. Everything goes back to the trade and Melo. Five years of rehashing it does get old. The summer was spent with media and fans trying to speculate about how Melo was being a bad teammate. Not much fun in my opinion.
truthfully melo probably earned some of the backlash, he probably would admit that. However he seems to have learned from his mistakes
I disagree. The Knicks haven't had money, picks or players for his entire tenure in NY. Any team that has Amare, Bargs and Tyson as two of its big three a long with their cap holds isn't going anywhere fast. Some of the guys that were big parts of Knick teams aren't in the league or don't play. Fields, Novak, and Cope come to mind but there are others.
well the reason we havent had picks,money,or players is because of that trade. Its ok to be a LITTLE critical of melo
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11/22/2015  1:30 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

Mister Earl showed up in a game thread a few days ago. Hope he is back as well.

And if I'm not mistake he explained to Martin why he hasn't been around. I may be wrong but he ls been busy. I doubt someone Earl's age who's seen so much in his life is going to be that sensitive

Not responding specifically to Earl but I was referring to guys coming back and saying they don't like the content of posts. Threads always end up at the same place. I don't think that is being sensitive. I think that is just moving on because things have changed.

What exactly has changed? The Knicks traded every single asset they had for one player. Despite one fluke year where we went for it and added high IQ veterans it had been the same ol Dolan era Knicks laughing stock basketball of the past 15years. You can't expect fans to wave the poms poms if they are not seeing positive results and forward movement and a winning culture being established. Would you say Woody/Melo ISO ball was establishing a winning culture and building a consistent playoff contender? Maybe a couple of fans left because they felt we just traded for one of the top 3 players in the game why shouldn't we all celebrate and erect statues but the results proved that it wasn't the case

What you just said. Everything goes back to the trade and Melo. Five years of rehashing it does get old. The summer was spent with media and fans trying to speculate about how Melo was being a bad teammate. Not much fun in my opinion.
truthfully melo probably earned some of the backlash, he probably would admit that. However he seems to have learned from his mistakes
I disagree. The Knicks haven't had money, picks or players for his entire tenure in NY. Any team that has Amare, Bargs and Tyson as two of its big three a long with their cap holds isn't going anywhere fast. Some of the guys that were big parts of Knick teams aren't in the league or don't play. Fields, Novak, and Cope come to mind but there are others.
well the reason we havent had picks,money,or players is because of that trade. Its ok to be a LITTLE critical of melo
Melo didn't make the trade. He just wanted out of Denver before the lockout/new cba. The knicks had traded their picks to get cap space to sign lbj. Only one first rounder was traded in that deal.
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11/22/2015  1:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2015  1:36 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Heck I thought we lost Bonn, a UK fixture there for a second lol

Mister Earl showed up in a game thread a few days ago. Hope he is back as well.

And if I'm not mistake he explained to Martin why he hasn't been around. I may be wrong but he ls been busy. I doubt someone Earl's age who's seen so much in his life is going to be that sensitive

Not responding specifically to Earl but I was referring to guys coming back and saying they don't like the content of posts. Threads always end up at the same place. I don't think that is being sensitive. I think that is just moving on because things have changed.

What exactly has changed? The Knicks traded every single asset they had for one player. Despite one fluke year where we went for it and added high IQ veterans it had been the same ol Dolan era Knicks laughing stock basketball of the past 15years. You can't expect fans to wave the poms poms if they are not seeing positive results and forward movement and a winning culture being established. Would you say Woody/Melo ISO ball was establishing a winning culture and building a consistent playoff contender? Maybe a couple of fans left because they felt we just traded for one of the top 3 players in the game why shouldn't we all celebrate and erect statues but the results proved that it wasn't the case

What you just said. Everything goes back to the trade and Melo. Five years of rehashing it does get old. The summer was spent with media and fans trying to speculate about how Melo was being a bad teammate. Not much fun in my opinion.
truthfully melo probably earned some of the backlash, he probably would admit that. However he seems to have learned from his mistakes
I disagree. The Knicks haven't had money, picks or players for his entire tenure in NY. Any team that has Amare, Bargs and Tyson as two of its big three a long with their cap holds isn't going anywhere fast. Some of the guys that were big parts of Knick teams aren't in the league or don't play. Fields, Novak, and Cope come to mind but there are others.
well the reason we havent had picks,money,or players is because of that trade. Its ok to be a LITTLE critical of melo
Melo didn't make the trade. He just wanted out of Denver before the lockout/new cba. The knicks had traded their picks to get cap space to sign lbj. Only one first rounder was traded in that deal.
thats true but i still felt he could have waited to sign here. Can we at least admit he has made some mistakes since coming here. Im not asking you to bash him but he definetly has had a few misteps
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